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Egbert
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 09:48:00 AM
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Originally posted by LadyBOriginally posted by Egbert
Hi Louise,
Mlecha OA is an old Polish line acquired in the desert...having zero to do with Hadbah Enzahiya...Where on earth did you get that?
While the Mlecha horses do well, they do not behave as the true Kuhailan Dajanias whose number one trait was producing outstanding stallions-normally better than the daughters; and they tend to a slightly boxy muzzle, more laid back in disposition, soft eyed.
Treat the Mlechas as Koheilans and pay attention what you are breeding her to is the most important thing to think about when looking to the Mlechas.
Hi Gari, I was looking at Bright Shadow for the Mlecha female line and Hadbah Enzahiya for Gharib ( http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gharib). The only reason I was looking at Gharib is because she is in Kaminah's pedigree. I know it is the tail female line of the end horse which is most important (Nuhra) but wanted to see what other mares her pedigree dates back to... Thank you for your help! Lou
Oh dear Louise,
I am totally confused!
There is NO Mlecha in Bright Shadow's pedigree. He is straight Crabbet, a Kuhailan Rodania dam line/strain and sire line: Mesaoud.
While Gharib is in Kaminah's pedigree-Gharib is a stallion....
However you are definitely on the right track: You want to learn what the strains are of each horse in the 5th generation....so looking at the other strais and seeing if there are certain strains governing in the 5th generation is a good start to understanding what is governing the pedigree.
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 10:44:52 AM
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Hi Lynda,
Isn't she gorgeous! Shaheena is a Jilfan al Bulad, sire line Nazeer...You really know how to breed them! I think it would be a stunning cross because he is a Seglawi and the only lines you are tripling are those going to El Shaklan.
I think you would get something stunning with him; with his son Moniscione (sp?), any sire line Skowronek, or a fabulous stallion by name of MCA Magnum Gold! He is something special and if you are going to Aachen take a look at him. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 11:23:18 AM
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Thanks Gari, I am going  so will look out for him!
she has been scanned in foal to Justice  as you know she is double Carmargue, double El Shaklan, all close up, so I wanted to put a bit of outcross on her without loosing the type I so admire, also the added bonus of using Justice is the Sasaki line that I have always loved. quiet a lot of thought went into this mating because of these reasons, so I do hope I get the results I am hoping for  here is a picture of her taken a couple of weeks ago
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trinity
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Roseanne
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 1:47:29 PM
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| Lynda she is a really beautiful mare. How on earth can anyone not fall in love with Arabs? What elegance, soulful eyes and what a beautiful demeanour. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 07:13:21 AM
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Hey Bob,
Am trying to get her to the Nationals...You should bring your better half and we could all get together. Have been asked by Eden's owner to join her for his Wednesday show....So it might be a chance to really hoot! |
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mogwai
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 7:44:23 PM
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Wow, just getting through this topic and learning loads!
Another request i'm afraid Egbert (i did PM you, but i never know if they get there due to my pc incompatibility ) Please forgive me if you did get it, haven't had time to reply and now think i'm cyber stalking you!
I wonder if you could tell me about these two girls.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bright+star18
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gkj+mystic+rose
Both chestnut fillies.
I have considered breeding a foal next year from Ruby. I love the tall russians, Plumbum in particular, and the bahrain stallions at Pearl island. However, i'm not sure if they would compliment her. She'll only be 14.2, so i'd like to introduce a little height, and the flamboyant action of a stallion like Plumbum. I'm waffling again...
Many thanks for your time (wonderful thread!)
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guisburn
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willowview
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 02:26:32 AM
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Have a great trip Lynda and for sure you should get her to Tulsa Gari!! Would love to see Eden show and sounds like you will be in great company.
Got a tf for you that I don't think I've seen before Gari.....What can you tell us about the Lezginka tail female line?
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Egbert
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 1:23:23 PM
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Originally posted by mogwaiWow, just getting through this topic and learning loads! Another request i'm afraid Egbert (i did PM you, but i never know if they get there due to my pc incompatibility ) Please forgive me if you did get it, haven't had time to reply and now think i'm cyber stalking you! I wonder if you could tell me about these two girls. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bright+star18And http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gkj+mystic+roseBoth chestnut fillies. I have considered breeding a foal next year from Ruby. I love the tall russians, Plumbum in particular, and the bahrain stallions at Pearl island. However, i'm not sure if they would compliment her. She'll only be 14.2, so i'd like to introduce a little height, and the flamboyant action of a stallion like Plumbum. I'm waffling again... Many thanks for your time (wonderful thread!) Ros
Hi Ros,
Never got your message! Someone named BEX apparently sent a message too but wasn't able to retrieve it! Darn!
I love your Bright Star! She is royally bred and can only imagine how lovely she is! Of course her sire line is to Mesaoud via the awesome Bright Crown who was one of the most gorgeous, sweet, kindly, understanding, patient stallion imaginable. Truly perfection. And then his sire was Bright Shadow who figures in the pedigrees of so many greats. Her dam's side is nearly equally good if not as good. Truly spectacular with dam line to Dajania via Nefisa and forward to Bashida, shared by both sire and dam on the tail female line...so pure in the strain Kuhailan Dajania. She should be a superb broodmare as well as brilliant riding horse.
Who is Ruby??? Bright Star? Plumbum would be fabulous, Om El Shaheen, Dervatiw Gwyddion, Azari, Arazi, Raji ...
GkJ Mystic Rose is another wonderfully bred filly...She is of the Ilderim sire line and traces in tail female to Rodania via the awesome family of mares through Charlotte Rose, Anna Rose, et. al. This is a stellar Rodania dam line! Would expect she has lots of sparkle, pizzaz and thrives on attention!...Would also expect she is very intelligent. You should be having a lot of fun with her and there is a good chance that she will be tall as her line to El Shaklan is fairly close up! What color is she?
More tomorrow folks!
Real quick, Bob, Lezginka is Polish originally from the 1800's Slawuta's Szweykowska family...She is considered Kuhailan but is more elegant than one might expect from the family. Lezginka was the dam of Elstera by Ibrahim which is the dam line giving rise to Nabor.
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mogwai
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 2:48:14 PM
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Oh Egbert, thank you. That's made my heart swell with pride for my girls (despite me having no input whatsoever on their arrival into this world, i am just a lowly carer  )
Yes, Ruby is Brightstar, my daughter started calling her Ruby and it stuck! You are spot on, she has the sweetest, sweetest temperament. Loving, generous and so gentle with my 2 daughters who are both under 3 1/2.
You are also quite correct about Mystic Rose. She is chestnut too (2 white socks and a blaze) and is everything you've said about her. Lovely girls.
many, many thanks
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susan p
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 09:10:14 AM
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Welcome aboard, Melanie!
Your wonderful Crusader son, Hussain must be stunning boardering on regal with that pedigree! Wow...This is an entirely Maxwell bred pedigree so you have a solidly built, beautiful if not stunningly beautiful stallion, sound of wind and limb and must be a daily inspiration. Are there any pictures you can share? Everyone knows his sire, but his dam Heloua is a Maleik el Kheil daughter and European Res. Champion who was exported to Sharja so you are fortunate to have her son. More important perhaps is that she traces to the great Hagunia bred in Spain and traces to the same Duc de Veragua mare, Verana whom I suspect was a Kuhailan Dajania! If nothing else he must be a superb breeding stallion!
What color is Guisburn Zhalim? The pedigree suggests that he is a very happy horse with superb action and what is called 'style' and good size too! Of course the tail female is Nuhra, the gift from the King of Bahrein to the Earl of Athlone...The promise of the pedigree is great beauty, character and reliability in all situations.
Would expect those same descriptive qualities fit Shimsha who is pure in the strain Wadnan Khirsnia (i.e., both sire and dam line traces to Nuhra) and her sire line is to Ibn Nura via Rasim, of Abbas Pasha lines created by Ali Pasha Sherif.
The wonderfully bred Karera must be a delight, with brilliant motion and is also pure in the strain (with multiple crosses to Nuhra) and is sired by one of the most beautiful stallions ever-Mehzeer, British National Champion, I think bred by the incredibly gifted and astute breeders, as well as most knowledgeable of international judges, Barbara Campbell. She is one of UK's greatest breeders. Both Guisburn Shazehra, and Guisburn Shameerah. All of these are fabulous BUT you really must look into finding a top outcross stallion for your mares. And maybe one or two mares with different sires and dams for your boys. I would looke for a great Seglawi stallion. But oh what a lovely, beautifully well bred group you have! Would love to see pictures!
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 09:21:57 AM
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Hi Susan,
Welcome aboard to you, too!
You have a beautifully bred Kuhailan Rodania who is super smart, mischievous and would expect very pretty as well as a superb athlete. Sire line is to Mahruss who seems to be gifted with near human intelligence and humor which he passed for generations. He has a high level of Crabbet tho' i don't do those measures...The Crabbet folks will. You do have French and Polish blood in the pedigree. My guess is that he is roughly 65% or more Crabbet. |
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susan p
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 10:43:41 AM
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Thanks for that Gari,I want to do endurance and le trek with him
I was just watching him running around the paddock this morning playing with my youngsters http;//www.allbreedpedigree.com/rugastazi and http;www.allbreedpedigree.com/judals+iana and thinking how completely different they all look.
I would like to breed from Iana in a few years time and was thinking about Ruger AMW as a potential stallion,I would love another Ruger baby
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Egbert
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Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 11:45:54 AM
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Hi Susan,
Iana is sire line Amurath via Nabeg/Arax/FS Bengali/Aja Sanagor so there should be solidly bred, stout and often exotic beauty. The dam line goes back to Rodania...the most successful of all the mare lines in halter worldwide and probably just as successful in performance. The dam line also contains a strong dose of Hamdani Simri which is another source of smoothness and which should ad to the filly's beauty. She has lines to Bey Shah via the US National Champion Bey Teyna so combined with the dam's *Padron lines and Nariadnaia...WOW! This has to be quite a filly. Very Kuhailan, athletic and with that pedigree she DEMANDS to be beautifully exotic and quite likely, hotter than a pistol!
Think combining with Ruger, which should also be very beautiful and very showy, you might just be going a tad over the top in temperament. But the look should be a show stopper and the horse from the cross would not only be beautiful but should be capable of doing 1000 miles without batting an eyelash! A lot of energy in the pedigree, too. Might be the answer to the high cost of gas. Oh and the baby would be pure in the strain Kuhailan Rodania. Do keep us posted!
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Egbert
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 11:20:26 AM
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Hi Linda,
Glad to see you and what a lovely youngster you must have. Surely he is most royally bred! Double El Shaklan, the Zichy Thyssen blood through his dam has to be extraordinarily beautiful. Years ago I remember some of the fabulous mares he acquired throughout the US. He collected some of the world's most beautiful mares so there is no doubt that Gai Rubrada, bred by Dan Gainey was one of the most beautiful mares ever. But adding to that is the fact that her dam line traces to one of the world's winningest Seglawi lines- that of Zulima, imported from Syria by the Yeguada Militair. From this mare the remarkable mare, Siria was born. There are stories of her incredible love and adoration for her breeder, Marquis Domecq. She would go out with him every day to check out the various pastures all over the ranch. From this mare so many greats can be found. They are noted for great beauty, intelligence and loyalty. Frequently they do exceptionally well in the showrings around the world.
You can use this boy with the greatest success on the Kuhailan line mares but just about anything, I would bet. My guess is that as a chestnut he will do exceptionally well whatever he is bred to and take after his great grandsire, Shaker El Masri.
Would love to see pictures when you have a chance. He must be wonderful! |
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