ArabianLines.Com Forum
Save Password     








 All Forums
 DISCUSSION FORUMS
 AL DISCUSSION
 Tail Female Line....?
 New Topic  Reply to Topic  Printer Friendly
Previous Page | Next Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 89

Lindsay
Gold Member


Scotland
944 Posts

Posted - 29 Jul 2008 :  7:48:56 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lindsay to your friends list Send Lindsay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow two years.. I've just had a look back through some of the first posts and came across my own first postings. How much i have learned since then!

I did notice that Gari was listing some characteristics that horses should have given their pedigree - anything to say about my girl?

www.allbreedpedigree.com/silvershadow18

Just out of interest. x



Paidir dóibhsean le fiántas ina gcroíthe acu, atá coinnithe i gcaighin
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

LYNDILOU
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
13976 Posts

Posted - 29 Jul 2008 :  8:29:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well heres one Alexia, the only OTHER Straight Spanish black stallion in the US ,son of Zaon ," Chayzaon" ( I think thats how its spelt)



www.dreamfield-arabians.com

Edited by - LYNDILOU on 29 Jul 2008 8:35:18 PM
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Athena
Silver Member


England
442 Posts

Posted - 29 Jul 2008 :  10:01:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow Lynda, how fascinating! What line within Spanish does this black gene come from, do you know? Zaon and his son just do look quite distinctly different - not totally non-Spanish (or what I think of as archytypely Spanish) but almost as though they could be Spanish/Russian crosses.

Is there an allbreedpedigree link? - love to know more about this breeding. What do you know of these lines Gari? Love your input here.

All goes to reinforce my feeling (in which I am not alone I know) that some traits and type tend to go along with certain colours. Alexia
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

LYNDILOU
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
13976 Posts

Posted - 29 Jul 2008 :  10:18:51 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The only black I can find back in his pedigree is not strictly black, but was classed Bay/ black, he occurs a few times and that is Ursus, and again Gari will enlighten us I am sure


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

trinity
Gold Member

Scotland
1126 Posts

Posted - 29 Jul 2008 :  10:51:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add trinity to your friends list Send trinity a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Woh, he's gorgeous! Jaw droppingly stunning actually.

Beck
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

LYNDILOU
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
13976 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  07:53:49 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For those who didnt get to see him here is Zaon himself


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  12:39:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Egbert
Again, thank you for posting the wonderful photo of Leo! Anymore?


Your wish is my command Gari! Here is "Leo" during a rare trotting moment - he doesn't really put any effort into these rather steady, collected moments that only occur shortly before or after galloping! His gallop is awesome but I have failed to catch the right arrangement of legs as he whizzes around the field recently - who told him that Dad was a racehorse! Alexia

Oh Alexia,

Many thanks! I really expect great things from Leo! What are your plans for him? OOOOOHHHHH...Are you taking him to the Crabbet show????


Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  12:44:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Fee

Just realized that tomorrow is for me the 2 year anniversary of this thread! Am kind of amazed.

Edited to add: Oops! Early onset of alzheimers....it is next month....



Gari I think next month, at the seminar, we need to have a 'Tail Female Line Cake' to celebrate! That date will be almost 2 years to the day that you first posted on the thread

...away to think of how to bake a tail female line cake...

Fee


Oh my goodness you are right! It will be two years one day!...Fiona, I LOVE the way you think...Love cake too!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  1:06:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Lindsay

Wow two years.. I've just had a look back through some of the first posts and came across my own first postings. How much i have learned since then!

I did notice that Gari was listing some characteristics that horses should have given their pedigree - anything to say about my girl?

www.allbreedpedigree.com/silvershadow18

Just out of interest. x


Hi Lindsay,

Her name didn't come up and I think it was because you ran the name together but if I recall she is by Red Shadow out of Sula Minisca?

If so, she should be elegant, aloof, with a tremendous jibba. As an Abbayan Sherrak, those characteristics most associated are with the extreme of the heads and the upright elegant quality...especially with the Queen of Sheba, Abbayan Sherrak line. I think the most extreme are to be found with the bays of this line.

Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  1:31:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by LYNDILOU

Well heres one Alexia, the only OTHER Straight Spanish black stallion in the US ,son of Zaon ," Chayzaon" ( I think thats how its spelt)




Darn! Lynda I am coming up with nothing...And this is a lovely son of Zaon...Could you double check the spelling of the names? Thanks Because I am coming up with NOTHING!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

LYNDILOU
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
13976 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  1:38:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sorry Gari it is spelt MKH Chyzaon born 2007, right turning off PC and going to malvern, byeee


www.dreamfield-arabians.com
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  1:38:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Athena

Wow Lynda, how fascinating! What line within Spanish does this black gene come from, do you know? Zaon and his son just do look quite distinctly different - not totally non-Spanish (or what I think of as archytypely Spanish) but almost as though they could be Spanish/Russian crosses.

Is there an allbreedpedigree link? - love to know more about this breeding. What do you know of these lines Gari? Love your input here.

All goes to reinforce my feeling (in which I am not alone I know) that some traits and type tend to go along with certain colours. Alexia


I definitely agree that color and traits frequently if not always travel together in a pedigree. My suspicion is that the black gene may have originally been a mutation because it was not, according to Craver, a color normally found in the desert. Actually my saying anything about color is not a good idea as I am no color geneticist. My knowledge of color genetics is rudimentary at best.
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

s.jade
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
2401 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  5:47:20 PM  Show Profile  Send s.jade an AOL message  Click to see s.jade's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add s.jade to your friends list Send s.jade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the description of Temptress Gari - spot on! She's not mine as yet but can't wait until she is, her lovely owner has let us have her on loan for now!!
She definitely adopts a person for her own....I feel VERY lucky that that's me
Thinking of future husbands as we speak....!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Lindsay
Gold Member


Scotland
944 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  8:18:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lindsay to your friends list Send Lindsay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes I put her name in wrong. Thanks for that. She has a wonderful head - I will try and get some decent photos to bring with me for you to see. She is very elegant but at the moment is a bit clumsy!

Thanks x



Paidir dóibhsean le fiántas ina gcroíthe acu, atá coinnithe i gcaighin
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

s.jade
Platinum Member


United Kingdom
2401 Posts

Posted - 30 Jul 2008 :  8:37:37 PM  Show Profile  Send s.jade an AOL message  Click to see s.jade's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add s.jade to your friends list Send s.jade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi again...sorry I have another!
My firned is thinking about looking at my mare's daughter, and would love to know what you think?
www.allbreedpedigree.com/judals+dior
Many Thanks again!!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Athena
Silver Member


England
442 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2008 :  12:07:01 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Egbert

Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Egbert
Again, thank you for posting the wonderful photo of Leo! Anymore?


Your wish is my command Gari! Here is "Leo" during a rare trotting moment - he doesn't really put any effort into these rather steady, collected moments that only occur shortly before or after galloping! His gallop is awesome but I have failed to catch the right arrangement of legs as he whizzes around the field recently - who told him that Dad was a racehorse! Alexia

Oh Alexia,

Many thanks! I really expect great things from Leo! What are your plans for him? OOOOOHHHHH...Are you taking him to the Crabbet show????





Thank you Gari. Unfortunately Narishka is not entirely sound since a field accident in 2002 (spent the UK Crabbet Convention on box rest!) so bringing them to a show is not really an option, quite apart from the fact that I've never really done showing and would be terrified of not doing them justice.

Leo (Zobeyni Nareef if we are going to be official about it) is actually already sold, although he won't be leaving me for a while yet obviously. I am lucky enough to have my own land at home but I do not have enough or facilities to keep a colt/stallion. It is a bit nerve wracking given that he is Narishka's only foal to date, but he is going to a lovely home, quite local, as a future ridden horse and stallion. I am retaining two breedings to him too.

His new owner fell in love with him and asked to buy him when he was just a couple of weeks old. She has not had an Arabian before but has loads of space at a beautiful farm in Shropshire and has had horses of other kinds all her life. She currently has a couple of hunter type mares plus shetlands that she drives - she has a shetland stallion who is destined to be company for Leo. She and her husband also keep rare breed sheep and a pair of Harris Hawks. Really lovely lady so I know he will have a lovely life there. Hopefully his new owner will get thoroughly hooked and go looking for a mare for him next! Alexia
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2008 :  10:45:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by s.jade

Hi again...sorry I have another!
My firned is thinking about looking at my mare's daughter, and would love to know what you think?
www.allbreedpedigree.com/judals+dior
Many Thanks again!!


Come on Jade.....This should be a national champion....stunning motion through the sire line Amurath Sahib, lots of pizazz and tremendous quality through the middle of the pedigree ...vial El Shaklan, US Res. National Champion Kaiyoum, the fabulous Reina Del Bey (slight prejudice here as she is the dam of my *Carmargue daughter WSA Karma), Padrons Psyche crossed on the great Rohara Faberge, a stunning Menaghy tracing to the great Ferida imported by the Blunts via her stunning bay daughter Ferdisia! This has to be a very very lovely filly/mare, very beautifully conformed, exceptionally sweet and very very intelligent!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 31 Jul 2008 :  10:48:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Egbert

Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Egbert
Again, thank you for posting the wonderful photo of Leo! Anymore?


Your wish is my command Gari! Here is "Leo" during a rare trotting moment - he doesn't really put any effort into these rather steady, collected moments that only occur shortly before or after galloping! His gallop is awesome but I have failed to catch the right arrangement of legs as he whizzes around the field recently - who told him that Dad was a racehorse! Alexia

Oh Alexia,

Many thanks! I really expect great things from Leo! What are your plans for him? OOOOOHHHHH...Are you taking him to the Crabbet show????





Thank you Gari. Unfortunately Narishka is not entirely sound since a field accident in 2002 (spent the UK Crabbet Convention on box rest!) so bringing them to a show is not really an option, quite apart from the fact that I've never really done showing and would be terrified of not doing them justice.

Leo (Zobeyni Nareef if we are going to be official about it) is actually already sold, although he won't be leaving me for a while yet obviously. I am lucky enough to have my own land at home but I do not have enough or facilities to keep a colt/stallion. It is a bit nerve wracking given that he is Narishka's only foal to date, but he is going to a lovely home, quite local, as a future ridden horse and stallion. I am retaining two breedings to him too.

His new owner fell in love with him and asked to buy him when he was just a couple of weeks old. She has not had an Arabian before but has loads of space at a beautiful farm in Shropshire and has had horses of other kinds all her life. She currently has a couple of hunter type mares plus shetlands that she drives - she has a shetland stallion who is destined to be company for Leo. She and her husband also keep rare breed sheep and a pair of Harris Hawks. Really lovely lady so I know he will have a lovely life there. Hopefully his new owner will get thoroughly hooked and go looking for a mare for him next! Alexia


Oh Alexia, Darn! He is such a perfect young man I had kind of hoped you were going to hold on to him. I bet the new owner will be hooked tho! How could she not be. He will be, with every passing year, ever more beautiful. And thank goodness you have retained breedings! That is critical!

Sounds like a wonderful home, too!
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 05 Aug 2008 :  2:08:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by LYNDILOU

The only black I can find back in his pedigree is not strictly black, but was classed Bay/ black, he occurs a few times and that is Ursus, and again Gari will enlighten us I am sure


Linda,

I couldn't find any black in his pedigree using the Arab Horse Datasouce. BUT I did find another black Arabian that descends from Ursus by name of Aladino out of Hungara born in '34. Another named Mulato out of Mulata in '31, Numantino '33, and so on. So you are definitely on the right track.
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

clio
Gold Member

Wales
614 Posts

Posted - 05 Aug 2008 :  4:31:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add clio to your friends list Send clio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow this topic has been amazing

Egbert, first may i say you are amazing, the fountain of knoledge and i would very much appreciate any information on my mares female tail line and also your advice on a future husband for her.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ora+el+masra
Many many thanks


*~* Crossleys RainDancer *~* *~* Ora El Masra*~* *~*Diesel*~*
www.riddenarabgroupwales.co.uk
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 05 Aug 2008 :  10:23:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Janette,

My very first thought of a future husband for her would be Camargue Too to reinforce the Carmargue as well as the rest of the greats...She is sire line Nazeer via Ansata Ibn Halima probably the most beautiful of the Nazeer sons. Her dam line of Estopa, arguably the most succesful dam line in the last 100 years goes back to the most beautful of the Veragua mares... The cognoscenti suspect that she traces back to the Crabbet import Namira (Skowronek x Nessima), a Kuhailan Dajania, because of the strength of the Estopa sons. The consistent quality of the Estopa colts is consistent with those mares of the Dajania dam line. Unless a mtDNA test is performed we'll never know for certain.

Whatever the case, you have what must be a beautiful mare. Certainly her pedigree is stunning and one in which you can look forward to breeding her to whatever stallion makes your heart sing. The outcome should be wonderful!

Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

gossy
Platinum Member

England
3639 Posts

Posted - 05 Aug 2008 :  10:49:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gossy to your friends list Send gossy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Egbert,

Thanks for PM pics and pedigree, wearing training halter, so not glamorous.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/starlight+khaleefah


Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

Egbert
Gold Member


USA
1051 Posts

Posted - 06 Aug 2008 :  08:50:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Paula,

You too have a filly whose sire line is to Nazeer via Ansata Ibn Halima via the more masculine but every bit as beautiful Maysoun , if photos are a measure. Your dam line is to Verana the progenitor of Estopa...thus she should be a superb broodmare as well as she has the dam line to accomplish a great deal and she is well bred. However, like *El Shaklan it will probably not be til the 5th year that you begin to see the truly great beauty that abounds in the pedigree. This should be an excellent all around filly, excellent riding horse and one day potentially a very competitive show mare. The side view of her shows tremendous potential. The lead shot leaves something to be desired but it looks like she has lovely tail carriage.

Think you are going to enjoy her immensely and bred to the right stallions-actually just about anything that makes your heart sing you should enjoy wonderful results.

Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

gossy
Platinum Member

England
3639 Posts

Posted - 06 Aug 2008 :  09:29:44 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gossy to your friends list Send gossy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Egbert, i can take pictures and make even the most extreme beautiful horse look like a donkey, so the 2nd pic is not a very good example, will try and get more later, my daughter took the first one and shows she has more photographic potential than me.

Paula.

Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page

clio
Gold Member

Wales
614 Posts

Posted - 06 Aug 2008 :  12:30:53 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add clio to your friends list Send clio a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Many thanks Gari for your reply

It has given me food for thought, if i dont manage to find her a 1st class new home finding her a husband would be my next option.
That sounds bad, may i explain? Had hip replacement in January and was expecting to be ok for the summer to start breaking her and enjoying the summer shows but the good old NHS left it to long and my knee (same side ) needs doing now as well, so i never realy got back onto my feet (so to say).
Now i have to look forward to a knee replacement in September and the months after getting back to normal.
She is my baby and i want to keep her for ever but realisticly i wont be able to get to the yard tho my non horsey partner did a sterling job after my hip was done, she deserves more than i will be able to give her for a while .... but if she was in foal !!!
Oh im sorry im wickering on here im sorry
Appologies Geri for wandering off the topic me go delve deeper into her pedigree now as you have wet my appetite.

Many thanks again
jan



*~* Crossleys RainDancer *~* *~* Ora El Masra*~* *~*Diesel*~*
www.riddenarabgroupwales.co.uk
Report to Moderator Go to Top of Page
Page: of 89 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Previous Page | Next Page
 New Topic  Reply to Topic  Printer Friendly
Jump To:

AL Main Site | Profile | Active Topics | Register | Retrieve Password | Search

ArabianLines.Com Forum © 2001 - 2014 www.arabianlines.com Go To Top Of Page
This page was generated in 4.39 seconds. Snitz Forums 2000