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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 10:54:32 AM

Originally posted by Tahir

Gari, absolutely gorgeous filly, please post some more pictures of her

, and congratulations on her Daddy winning Reg 15 - fingers firmly crossed for the Nationals

You mentioned 'Seif al Arab' - I remember seeing one of his colt foals at Malvern, 1991 I think, he was called Kemalazm, out of Bint Jamiellah (Makor x Aphrodite, by Mameluck). He was an amazing foal - talk about 'blow your socks off'

. I know the breeder sold him on, not sure where he went, but I often think about him and wonder how he matured - he had movement, presence, charisma - the whole package IMO.

Carla, xx.

Hi Carla!

I looked up Kemalazm and apparently he was sold to Saudi Arabia. He sire 4 foals 3 mares and a stallion per the Arabian Horse Datasource here in the US.

Sorry can't help you more. Every baby I've ever seen of Seif El Arab's was gorgeous...He sired 13 babies and Mr. Tony Fretwell had at least 4 babies by him-a big one I saw was a very beautiful mare that I think Mr. Fretwell raced. Hopefully some of those daughters are still in the gene pool like Jade's daughter...

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 10:57:07 AM

Originally posted by katefox1812

Originally posted by Egbert

Kate,

Well, you know there is one mare on this earth...well maybe a couple...that I really covet and one of them is EA Amellia by Raji x Ammellita Bint Lavado. She is double Carmargue via her sire who is heavily Seglawi thus gifted with an extra amount of elegance not just via Bint Helwa but via Liana El Shaklan who traces to the outstanding Yeguada Militar import from the desert, Zulima. Interestingly this is the most successful Spanish dam line at the US National halter championships! EA Amellia's tail female traces to Dajania via the Skowronek daughter Naxina thus an extra added element of beauty is reinforced on the tail female.

The Amellia pedigree combined with that of Tobago is pure magic. Why?...All those lines to Naziri...and exquisitely beautiful ones at that via Carmargue and Padron. The fact that they share the same tail female line to Dajania means that not only will the baby be exceptionally beautiful, intelligent and very sweet - for Bright Shadow is tripled in the pedigree, but if a colt, it will be even more stunning than a filly-because that is the promise of the Keheilan Dajania tail female! My guess? If Amellia's in foal to Tobago she is carrying another British National Champion for Bill to show!

Just an update - Amellia had not yet been AI'd when I posted about the match we had arranged between her and Tobago, but she was inseminated not long afterwards......and has now been scanned in foal to him! So let's hope Katie's BNC is now on its way!!!

(But she's had several colts so is now hoping for a filly!)

Just for reference here are photos of the happy couple:

Amellia (one running free, one at Malvern):

and Tobago (ditto):

Thank you again Gari. And fingers crossed your predictions will come true again!!

Hi Kate,

Thank you so much for sharing the photos. You know it will have to be a sensational baby! Yet another that I'll be holding my breath over!

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 11:02:34 AM

Originally posted by C.J.

Gari

If you mean Seif El Arab foaled in 1984 by Carmargue then he was shown at least once as I have photographs of him taken at the Arab Show (Ascot) in 1988. He was in class 15A Junior Stallions but was unplaced.

Best wishes

Caroline

Hi Caroline,

I don't think I made it to the show that year as I attended the WAHO conference...(?) Don't know why he didn't make the cut but it could have been he was just too thin. That poisoning made it difficult to keep him in good weight - tho' Anne performed miracles. Can only imagine that the trip down to the showgrounds from North Yorkshire was just too much for him. We lost Anne a couple of years ago but she was an extraordinarily gifted breeder. Always had the most beautifu babies to share.

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 11:20:00 AM

Originally posted by jackiedo

ps. we are thinking of one last foal (she only has had 2 in her life) and is very fit and well, and still has lots of energy. We are thinking of El Rashid, as I have seen him move, and it almost made me cry. What do you think? are they suited?

Hi Jackie!

Could you please double check and let me know El Rashid's pedigree? The database says there are multiples of the stallion and then gave the name of being by Manet x Kintaila....If so this is not a stallion I'd breed your mare to, tho' think he must be lovely but you would be doubling up the dam line and the result could be a tad stuffy. A really nice Seglawi line stallion and we have a number that have been posted here-would be just the ticket. Of course your girl should be a great mover with her blood...which you would be doubled so the motion would indeed be a given. If you do use him you will have an athlete but am not sure you would have a halter contender. With her bloodlines she should always pass along her great motion...(Zarello is a Kuhailan Rodania)

Thank you for the kind words in your previous post, too!

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 12:24:26 PM

Originally posted by emma

Hi Gari

Well better late than never- i have at last managed the posting of pictures

So here are a few photos of my horses initially mentioned on page 52 of this thread!

First up is Rose Jamaal now aged 2 yrs but pictured here as a yearling. www.allbreedpedigree.com/rose+jamaal

And second is my stallion Al Galero
www.allbreedpedigree.com/al+galero

In my previous questions i hadn't considered pairing the two. What could i expect from such a match? And would i be wise to try it first since he is actually on my doorstep? Still very keen on the Camargue route and keep thinking about the Antham route, i just keep finding myself drawn to him for Rosie purely on phenotype before even going into bloodlines!(And i cant bare people who rave about horses they have never seen but here i am becoming one- i just love the look on his face, the smoothness of his body, the length of his neck and i could go on!!)

Thank you for your time Gari

Hmmmm, Emma,

IMHO you would have the most colorful, hot showhorse imaginable. 4 crosses to *El Shaklan, masses of multiples to *Morafic and Nazeer and both horse have comparatively 'high' white.... If your boy is homozygous for gray-who cares BUT El Shaklan was a blazed face with white over the knees. No question but that it would be gorgeous but am thinking you might get a pinto with the temperament of a wild horse on hot chili peppers....However with all that Shaklan and the Indian Silver and Bint Helwa blood the horse would be fearless, loyal and loving .... when he/she came down to earth. If you like 'em hotter than a pistol...You'd have a ball with the cross (biggest ham since Sir Lawrence Olivier)....I'd really be inclined to go the *Carmargue route...If Al Galero is fairly sweet and quiet...it would be fun to try once to see the outcome.

Love the pictures, by the way. Both are stunning.

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loulou
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 12:35:48 PM

Hi Gari,

Have just added filly to all breed pedigree - this is the link:-

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shanikwa

Hope you like her!!!

Many thanks
Traceyx

Essex

Edited by - loulou on 28 Jul 2008 12:38:44 PM

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 12:37:02 PM

Originally posted by moatside

Hi Gari,
Way, way back on page 57!! of this tread you made some very nice comments about my Christmas pressie

Hi Kim!

You did a great job! And what a fascinating pedigree! Very imaginative breeding...The sire O-Tejo is to Rabdan via the wonderful Anter, a gorgeous stallion known for his sweetness and loyalty...O-Tejo is a 3/4 straight Egyptian + Crabbet with the dam line tracing to the Blunts', Rodania, a Keheilan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan-the single most successful dam line ever!

The dam, Mont Blanc is roughly 5/8's Crabbet, 1/4 Egyptian+++( some through Crabbet imports) and 1/8 Polish...with sire line to the Nazeer sire line stallion Ibn Moniet El Nefous, a renowned US straight Egyptian sire whose daughters are treasured worldwide. But the creme de la creme of the entire pedigree is the incredible dam line to Bint Helwa by the enormously successful reimport of the blood via Gara. This is the most exotic and successful of the Abbas Pasha, Seglawi Jedran lines and from this line emerged such greats as British, US National and World Champions as *Carmargue, *Simeon Shai and *FS Bengali, S Justadream, Shalie, Mustapha....

Your Christmas present should prove to be a great riding mare, loving, loyal and a terrific broodmare should you choose to breed her. Have any pictures? Would expect she is very pretty with a lot going for her so you might want to think in terms of showing her as well! In any event what a wonderful Christmas present!

I have finally managed to get some half decent pics of her minus her winter wollies

Your new filly is beautiful by the way

Dear Kim,

Thank you for the kind remarks about the filly. We are thrilled with her! It was breeding on paper which is a big no-no but felt that it might be worth a try. Am thrilled with the outcome.
(hope to do more picts in the not too far distant future!)

Was thrilled to see your LU LU as she has such an interesting pedigree but the horse coming through - clear as if she were standing there - is Bint Helwa! Her dam line! That could be very very significant.

Thank you so much for posting the pictures...What are your plans for her?

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 12:50:28 PM

Originally posted by Roseanne

Gari,
I have this problem sometimes, particularly with my laptop. It's very frustrating indeed.
My advice is to highlight and copy (press Ctrl and C) and then submit. If it all disappears, you still have it saved in the 'copy' and you can 'paste' it back onto a new reply by pressing Ctrl and V.
I have to do this with much of my stuff (emails etc) just to be on the safe side. There's nothing worse than having carefully considered replies, worded and typed them to see the blank screen come back at you!
Hope this will help you. Your replies are very precious to us all!

Oh Roseanne! That is a brilliant idea! Will do that from now on. Thank you so much!

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 12:58:49 PM

Originally posted by loulou

Hi Gari,

Have just added filly to all breed pedigree - this is the link:-

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shanikwa

Hope you like her!!!

Many thanks
Traceyx

Oh Tracey,

She must be lovely! A fabulous mover, people lover and ham sandwich rolled into one! This is a showmare! Presumably you will be showing her in hand. The sire line is to Nazeer via *El Shaklan, the dam, a Kubinec daugher is out of an Om El Azadik daughter and granddaughter of *El Shaklan. She just must be stunning and dam line goes back to the most popular Polish dam lines in the UK the Sahara line- which is a Kuhailan Moradi but always tends to look like a slightly heavier boned Seglawi. She must be magnificent. PICTURES PLEASE????

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emma
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 1:42:54 PM

Gari

Love your use of vocabulary- "wild horse on hot chilli peppers!" and "biggest ham since Sir Lawrence Olivier!!" He he that description did make me chuckle!

Al Galero is very laid back. As are his parents, Emma used to write in the now defunct Arabian Link magazine with diaries written by the stallions, Borneo's used to read very much along the lines that life is one big siesta, very much the way Al Galero views things. And i remember Emma saying how they were at Paris and she had Ayat ready to go in the ring when she realised she had forgotten her number so ran back to the lorry to get it, when she returned Ayat was lying down and had gone to sleep even in her show bridle! Al Galero's temperament really is second to none.

Despite her bloodlines Rose is a hot filly but turns it on and off for the showring, really easy and laid back at home and on the lorry and then when she comes down the ramp and walks to the collecting ring then her tail goes right over her back and she is off.

I do seem to have this effect on horses though, everything at home is very laid back. My farrier has always said that all my horses are so easy, he is convinced it is because im so laid back. So anyone out there with a wild one send it to me and it will turn into an old donkey!!

So it could be a good mix, Al Galero and Rose Jamaal, the thought of a lively one is fairly exciting for me

but i will have to check out the colourings. Whats the fail safe way of checking out Galeros status?

Did you manage to make Antham available for breeding in the UK this year? I know you were looking into it.

Also sorry to trouble you further but i would love to hear your thoughts on future breedings and what i should expect from www.allbreedpedigree.com/ruby+j2
She is a yearling chestnut with bright white mane and tail, the second of this colour from her beautiful black sire.

Thanks again Gari

Emma
Fulmer House Arabians

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 10:39:46 PM

Emma,

It sounds like you are indeed blessed. With those kinds of temperaments it is worth a try and that is for sure. Have you seen foals from Al Galero in the past? As a general rule the SE lines tend to erase high white, as do Polish lines not containing Crabbet lines via Mahruss, Mesaoud, Rodania....

I really have to plead ignorance when it comes to color genetics.

In re Ruby J...show mare supreme, very beautiful, is my guess for her future.
Again, I am definitely not a fan of multiples of Ali Jamaal whereas the El Shaklan looks well placed. Conversely you seem very well suited to handle these lines and provide a very quiet relaxed environment. Additionally with the tail female to Bint Helwa...the power is such that she could and probably would erase any negative temperament issues. (note the truly great dam lines can and do filter out a lot of negative nonsense and would bet that is why we see them more frequently than others in the show rings. Bint Helwa's is top of the line.)

I've had inquiries from Germany for Antham as well. The cost associated with shipping frozen semen are very high here. If we could get 5 together who would want to split the costs (figure a thousand pounds apiece) - forget stud fee for the first year...I'd be happy to do it but we need organization from your end. The more breedings the lower the cost. Thank you for asking.

Edited by - Egbert on 28 Jul 2008 10:44:56 PM

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emma
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 10:56:58 PM

Hi Gari

Thanks for the quick response.

I will investigate the whole colour senario, i know my friend has her warmbloods genetically tested to see what colour genes the horses carry (apparently chestnuts are not as popular as bays), better not tell my girls they are all chestnut!

No Galero has not had any foals, i have had him since 4mnths old and initially never gave it second thought- he was just my little pony! Of course now im in the lucky position where i live on a farm and my horse numbers have increased and breeding is now possible and with his bloodlines, temperament and many successes in the ring it really is about time.

Thanks for the insight to Ruby J. I have to admit to being a huge El Shaklan fan, i blame it on the Maxwells Open days when i first got hooked on arabs, so many beautiful horses with lines to him. Which lines would you suggest i look to for her?

It is lovely to hear that Antham has made an impression in Germany too. I do imagine the costs are huge, ive only done the natural covering previously let alone AI from the UK! Im thoroughly looking forward to hearing of his foals.

Please do keep me posted on any news regarding him and the possibility of having semen here. And anyone reading this who would be interested get in touch with Gari (PS- there is a great video of him and Rushan too on you tube)!

Thanks again

Emma
Fulmer House Arabians

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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jul 2008 : 11:11:31 PM

Thank you, Emma. The Maxwells have to be amongst not just the great breeders of the 20th Century but also amongst the very most astute. Pat and Joanne spotted *El Shaklan as a baby at a show in Europe and immediately began trying to acquire him. They were not able to buy him but they were the very first to use him at stud and by all the stories, he and Pat had an incredibly close bonding...The pain of having to send him back had to have been shattering for the entire family. But Arabdom has been the beneficiary of their recognition of a stallion who was probably only second to Skowronek and in the end may indeed eclipse his influence if he hasn't already!

The one thing that has lurked in the back of my mind...had he been leased to the wrong breeder...what would Arabdom look like today!?

Edited by - Egbert on 28 Jul 2008 11:13:09 PM

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Athena
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 07:52:18 AM

Hi Gari, well here it is as you asked - my temperament PIC "we can all admire their beauty but we have to live with their natures!" is how I think of it. This is my daughter Emma (left) and her friend Joanna with "Leo" aka Zobeyni Nareef (Indian Idyll - Narishka). So glad you liked it. Alexia

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Athena
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 07:56:50 AM

Originally posted by Egbert

Thank you, Emma. The Maxwells have to be amongst not just the great breeders of the 20th Century but also amongst the very most astute.
The one thing that has lurked in the back of my mind...had he been leased to the wrong breeder...what would Arabdom look like today!?

Hi Gari, just to say "hear, hear" - I often think this about all kinds of influential horses in our gene pool. Horses do not create breeding opportunities, people do. Without someone to recognise their potential and use it wisely, the greatest horse would achieve nothing in performance or breeding - I wonder how many HAVE passed us by! Alexia

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 09:15:04 AM

Just LOVE that picture

www.dreamfield-arabians.com

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Egbert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 09:15:29 AM

Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Egbert

Thank you, Emma. The Maxwells have to be amongst not just the great breeders of the 20th Century but also amongst the very most astute.
The one thing that has lurked in the back of my mind...had he been leased to the wrong breeder...what would Arabdom look like today!?

Hi Gari, just to say "hear, hear" - I often think this about all kinds of influential horses in our gene pool. Horses do not create breeding opportunities, people do. Without someone to recognise their potential and use it wisely, the greatest horse would achieve nothing in performance or breeding - I wonder how many HAVE passed us by! Alexia

Oh Alexia,

First thank you so much for posting the picture of Leo! Emma is nearly as gorgeous as her mom and her friend is no slouch either! But Leo is just more beautiful with each picture. Look at those ears! And his expression! More perfect-if that is possible-each time we see him!

But that is the question that just goes over and over in my mind, 'But for____________what would these horses look like?" Indeed what about the ones that got away? Did they? Sometimes I see over here the most phenomenal stallions and they have been gelded; and oh my look at some of the mares that haven't made it into the gene pool. That is why I've admired you so much for perservering to ensure Narishka is breeding on. To lose such incredible blood would be very sad indeed.

Again, thank you for posting the wonderful photo of Leo! Anymore?

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 09:19:05 AM

I have to say Athena, one passed us by

if you read my article about Zaon in the AHS magazine, you will see a horse that is most precious to the Spanish breeding,but lost to the UK

www.dreamfield-arabians.com

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Egbert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 09:24:07 AM

Hi Lynda!

Could you post it for those of us that might not be getting the AHS magazine?

Just realized that tomorrow is for me the 2 year anniversary of this thread! Am kind of amazed.

Edited to add: Oops! Early onset of alzheimers....it is next month....

Edited by - Egbert on 29 Jul 2008 09:32:05 AM

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 09:45:24 AM

Hi Gari I am not sure admin would allow that, I will e mail the article and pictures to you, as I said in the article , because I only had a finite amount of space, it is a potted history of this boy, there is so much more to his life story

www.dreamfield-arabians.com

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Athena
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 10:58:25 AM

Originally posted by LYNDILOU

I have to say Athena, one passed us by

if you read my article about Zaon in the AHS magazine, you will see a horse that is most precious to the Spanish breeding,but lost to the UK

Well yes, I did read that article end to end - and I don't have time to read all of them anymore. Fascinating story and wonderful to know that Zaon has ended up rediscovered even if it is not here.

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Athena
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 11:21:35 AM

Originally posted by Egbert
Again, thank you for posting the wonderful photo of Leo! Anymore?

Your wish is my command Gari! Here is "Leo" during a rare trotting moment - he doesn't really put any effort into these rather steady, collected moments that only occur shortly before or after galloping! His gallop is awesome but I have failed to catch the right arrangement of legs as he whizzes around the field recently - who told him that Dad was a racehorse! Alexia

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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 11:21:59 AM

what I was unable to put in the article, were the pictures of his offspring, but I sent them to Gari and she is impressed I believe

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Athena
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 11:41:40 AM

Originally posted by LYNDILOU

what I was unable to put in the article, were the pictures of his offspring, but I sent them to Gari and she is impressed I believe

Are you able to post some of the PICs of the Zaon offspring here? Be great to see them. Alexia

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Fee
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 12:13:22 PM

Just realized that tomorrow is for me the 2 year anniversary of this thread! Am kind of amazed.

Edited to add: Oops! Early onset of alzheimers....it is next month....

Gari I think next month, at the seminar, we need to have a 'Tail Female Line Cake' to celebrate!

That date will be almost 2 years to the day that you first posted on the thread

...away to think of how to bake a tail female line cake...

Fee

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