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Judith S
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 Posted - 01 Jan 2008 : 1:56:30 PM
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Happy New Year Egbert!
I wonder if you have time to look at my 6 year old mare Vlacq Majid http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vlacq+majid - she was broken in last summer - here is a photo of Evie (Jo) riding her not long after she was backed & Jo was hre on a short holiday:
& here she is with two friends - Polly & Maureen (Merlot) who post on AL:
I am thinking of covering her with my stallion Rameed http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rameed - here is taken last summer aged 19:
Would this be a good cross - or what would you suggest?
Judith
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Evie
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 02:36:49 AM
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Hi,
Thank you for the replies, it is certainly very interesting reading - unfortunately my internet at home has only just decided to work again after two days of not working so I hadn't been able to catch up with this thread until now!!
Here is a picture of Tara taken this summer (Vlacq Itarille - she's on the left) (hope it comes out okay as I know that photos uploaded from facebook don't always show up!)
Her bay colour is very strong from her sire line, from the Shah and one of the reasons I bought her is because she looks so much like her sire, Shah Shadow who I fell in love with the minute I met him! If Laura or Sue (Mrs Vlacq) read this they may post a picture of Shah.
Will be interested in your views on Judith's Vlacq mare too as she is Tara's cousin!! 
I have only tried putting her in foal once, back in about 2000/2001 to the grey Al Hakkim son, Hakka, unfortunately she slipped the foal about three months into the pregnancy which was disappointing. She did have a part bred foal when she was still at Vlacq and also a pure bred by Christine Herridge's stallion, Marlak Magic Aura although this foal sadly passed away at a young age (again Laura or Sue could confirm this). Tara is now 15 so I don't know if I'll try putting her in foal again - it depends on whether I come home at the end of this year or not (I probably will be so you never know!!)
She has always been the easiest mare, very friendly (although sometimes she can be naughty to catch in from the field, but I think this is just because she likes to run around!), she is lovely to ride, extremely well behaved, not scared of much and very fast, but you can pull her up to a stop with your little finger! The lady who currently has her on loans loves her to pieces as does everyone else at the yard and I'm worried she's not going to want to give her back when I come home!!  |
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Egbert
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 11:38:01 AM
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Originally posted by Judith SHappy New Year Egbert! I wonder if you have time to look at my 6 year old mare Vlacq Majid http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vlacq+majid - she was broken in last summer - here is a photo of Evie (Jo) riding her not long after she was backed & Jo was hre on a short holiday: & here she is with two friends - Polly & Maureen (Merlot) who post on AL: I am thinking of covering her with my stallion Rameed http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rameed - here is taken last summer aged 19: Would this be a good cross - or what would you suggest? Judith
Judith...
Your girl is a Kuhailan Rodania and TOTALLY different from Evie's mare who is a Seglawi and more closely bred to the Shah...Majid's dam side has been bred numerous generations pure in the strain Kuhailans that tho' her sire is a Hamdani...you need a sharper outcross to erase the stuffiness that such a heavy Kuhailan dam line and there are a couple of stallions that fit that bill...Though Narim is a Polish Kuhailan...the Sahara dam line is a sharp contrast with the British Kuhailans; Ali Khamsin and Arazi would be other two choices for her (of course there is also a nice American stallion, a Seglawi, that soon will be available to British breeders....ahem!).
From the pedigree she should be very kind, easy, a fun ride with tremendous action, good over all conformation. What you want is more scope, nice short back, more length of leg, smooth coupling and a finer neck, and retain the short pretty head.
Rameed is a wonderful Hamdani Simri, beautifully bred, very handsome with a lot of character in that photo and while you would without a doubt have a lovely foal, think you want, for this particular mare, something of an outcross.
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Judith S
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 1:14:32 PM
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Thank you so much Egbert! I will look into the stallions/lines you have mentioned.....will be very interested in the American one!!
Above are two photos of Majid taken last year. I would like to retain the "sturdy" build as I'm rather large!! She is a good 15hh (must measure her - I think shes over), wonderful nature, very kind & she is also fast with great movement! Doin't want any shorter in the back as she has just enough room for a saddle as it is!
Also thank you for you comments about Rameed I have two mares infoal to him this year - Rumbolds Contessa (Tessa)http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rumbolds+contessa & a Quarter Horse.
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Egbert
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 3:20:50 PM
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Judith,
Love these shots of her especially the standing side view. Think the stallions suggested wouldn't in any way take away the sturdy quality so much as give her a bit more length of leg and super smoothness:
The mare, Contessa, you have in foal to Rameed should have an absolutely to die for baby. What a brilliant cross. Can't wait to see photos of that baby! The reason is her dam line that goes back to *Nedjme. Years after she had been imported to the US it was discovered that she was the creme de la creme of desert breeding. Her papers had not been properly interpreted according to her importer and in fact she was from the finest of the Seglawi Jedran lines to ever come out of the ME. Interestingly this line has been nearly as successful as the great Rodania's. *Nedjme is the tail female as such greats as Fame VF, Ali Jamaal and a host of famous US Nationals winners. That superb pedigree of Contessa's..virtually a 'no holes' kind, should see a phenomenal youngster. |
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emma
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 3:50:19 PM
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| Simply stunning Gari, you lucky lucky lady! |
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Judith S
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 4:43:26 PM
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WOW, WOW, WOW - what an amazing horse - is he your stallion?? Am green with envy
Also WOW about Tessa! When I bought Rameed a couple of years ago - she came with him free - their owner said her dam had been a very expensive import from the US many years ago! She is about 14.1hh, plain little bay - pretty face, very sweet temperament......& then you see her move & she can't half move!!!!!! But not much to look at standing still! She & Rameed have had several babies - all chestnut & look just like dad........but I have one of their babies - a 10 year old - Rowan Razy - he is the spitting image of Tessa - the only Rameed offspring that hasn't looked like him! Rowan is very ordinary - until he moves!!! I've had many Arabian Line friends to stay who have all ridden him & loved him!! He's much bigger than Tessa & Rameed - being 15.1hh. Here we are at an endurance ride a couple of years ago:
I will be very interested to see what this years foal is like.....I would live a bay - but I just know its going to be chestnut with lots of white |
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Dot
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Posted - 02 Jan 2008 : 4:54:19 PM
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Hi Egbert,
I would be curious on the strains for the following
Duiker
Quest Ella Bint Zareen
Warrens Hill Dylan (I know he is 1/4 french and 1/4 Baranian)
Warrens Hill Destiny (I know he is half French)
and the crossing fo the two mares with Destiny.
If you have time.
Many thanks,
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 12:12:28 PM
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Hmmmm....would have thought the offspring would have been very smooth, more level in the croup, outstanding movers and fun rides...
The bays should be extra special but the chestnuts shouldn't be anything to sneeze at either...Am kind of surprised.
Yup, the chestnut stallion pictured is Antham...http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/antham
and am hoping to make him available to the UK this year. WAHO and the US's PAT are now in sync! Yippee!
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 12:31:22 PM
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Lynda,
Waho and the US Registry have finally come to terms and starting today should be a piece of cake comparatively to work with the US Registry and Waho for importing and exporting...no more PAHR. We are ecstatic over here. |
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LYNDILOU
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Dot
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 12:41:37 PM
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Hi Egbert,
thanks ever so much for that. The link below takes you to my website where all of his progeny are listed, most with photo links if you are interested.
http://www.threelowsfarm.com/Offspring.htm
have also listed them below
Warrens Hill Dylan WH Destiny x Fraya Bay Gelding 2002
Warrens Hill Star WH Destiny x Chatelaine Grey Stallion 2002
Destiny's Child WH Destiny x Yakamin
Warrens Hill Fantazy WH Destiny x Faranza ChestnutFilly 2005
Warrens Hill Chalainy WH Destiny x Chatelaine Grey Filly 2006
Warrens Hill Kizmet WH Destiny x Flo Jo Grey Filly 2006
Warrens Hill Faridah WH Destiny x Faranza Roan Filly 2006
? WH Destiny x Bonilita of Trewyn Colt 2007
Warrens Hill Rubyn WH Destiny x Flo Jo Bay Filly 2007
Warrens Hill Farrah WH Destiny x Faranza Chestnut Colt 2007
It is interesting to know that all four are from different lines.
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 12:42:12 PM
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Lynda,
That is my understanding and hope to be able to tell you more in the next few days. But imagine they are being overwhelmed with calls right now. Will let you know as soon as I know anything more but for certain only one collection is the info out at the moment.
Dot,
Will go look in the next few minutes. Time to feed over here! |
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Treasure
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 1:10:00 PM
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Gari - will Antham only be available this year over here or will that be ongoing? His breeding is very interesting to say the least.  I obviously knew the Rushan side but the dam line was largely unknown to me apart from Comet etc. |
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Judith S
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nikki
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 1:22:27 PM
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nakeeta2
hiya gari, can you do your magic stuff for my mate, the mare has soundness/balance problems due to they think an accident, so she's waiting for tests to find out if it will be o.k to breed from her.
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 12:10:54 AM
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Dot,
Particularly like your young gray stallion. Think you have classic examples of what the athletic Polish lines do in your horses...They can be plain for awhile but steadily become more beautiful with age...Very interesting group of horses! Thank you for sharing.
Lynda,
Have a call into the AHA...the gal handling the WAHO issues hasn't called back yet.
Jayne,
You have done some lovely crosses there. Would definitely take your next cross to a Seglawi stallion and knowing how well the Carmargues have crossed with Shaklan, would be looking very hard at Charismma and Arazi for at least one of your girls. That said, from your choices think you have a gift. Would love to see pictures of some of the babies.
Carolyn,
Antham's dam, WN Sharazada was bred by Wayne Newton breeder of the World Res. Champion WN Obsession. They are very similarly bred-Res. Canadian National Champion Bluesprucetanzeer (mostly Crabbet x Egyptian) on a Spanish line. Sharazada while in Newton's ownership was an undefeated halter champion. With me she has had 12 foals, 7 of which we have shown (we have sold most of the colts)and all have been Champions or Res Champions. She is a Seglawi al Abd via the Spanish Syrian import Zulima and an AHW World Aristocrat Mare.
As for how long he will be available...Just this year unless the rules are more relaxed. What I wanted to do is make him available reasonably/competitively to Brits. If anyone is interested, email me at gariann@msn.com and can go into more detail. Also his video is available on U tube.
Judith,
Why am I not surprised? It should really be a brilliant cross-especially in terms of athleticism.
Nikki,
You really want someone like Rusleem...No better conformation, solidly built, outstanding balance. And he is so strongly bred, he should correct any issue.
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CINDERS
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 11:52:47 AM
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Hi Egbert
As some people will know we lost our beautiful Ggrace early in 2007. She did however leave us with a daughter by Ansata Qasim and I would be interested in your thoughts about her and potential sires for the future. We would probably stick with straight egyptian
Also ideas for our straight spanish Ibiza (Borneo x Estepa)again staight spanish preferred but as an aside she is to be covered by Om el Bahreyn this year, what do you think, is this likely to be a good cross
Thnaks for your help
Yvonne
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Dot
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 12:45:48 PM
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Hi Egbert,
I would love to say Star was mine but he belongs to Destiny's breeder Lesley Dunn. I only own Destiny and Dylan, and the two on the way.
Dot
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angel2002
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 12:59:01 PM
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Hi Egbert,
I have a big moving liver Chestnut mare by Bur Zehri out of Somrah about 14'3 (Photo in signature pics), she has bred me 4 foals (Chestnut colt by Kordelas, 2 Chestnut fillies by Psyches Image R and a Grey filly by Mostafa). She is not the most exotic looking of mares but does put bone and size on the foals, she also has a fantastic neck which has been put on all except one by Psyches Image R.
I am looking to put my mare back in foal next year and am thinking of using a stallion by Madallan Medheen x Ansata Aya Maria. The stallion is owned by a good friend of mine and as it would be his first foal crop I would hate to let him down by using my mare if the bloodlines really would not compliment each other. Do you think this is a good idea?
Thank you very much for your time, it is appreciated |
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CINDERS
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 1:55:34 PM
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Sorry Egbert
Grace's fullname was JA AmazingGgrace |
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