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Egbert
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 11:52:36 AM
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Jayne,
I'll be waiting with great anticipation. The mare sounds like she is worth her weight in gold. To find a mare that works to please, with nary an argument is rare. Think this will be a cross that is truly heavenly. Bess, aka Misti (?) is double Bright Shadow so am not surprised she has such a winning temperament but it the element of honesty that shines through and that is what must make her so endearing from your description. Is St. Narreth King Dancer your stallion? Does he stand to the public? |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 1:52:37 PM
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Egbert,
St Narreth King Dancer (Kalif) is my friends stallion (who also owns Black Bess (Misti). I will find some photos of them both and send them to you. Kalif is the most loving horse and I remember him playing with my son when Phillip was only about 10 years old. Phillip had wandered into the Stallions field to play with his cars and diggers and the stallion was over like a shot to join in the fun. It was so sweet watching Kalif trying to push the car along with his nose!! He is a very gentle horse and all his babies are the same. My friend doesn't stand him at public stud, but instead uses him on her own mares, with the occasional outside mare visiting. Her plan originally was to bred and sell, but somehow it never happened and she kept all the babies she bred!!
She has sold a couple this year however. A very nice 7 year old chestnut gelding, who went to an endurance home in the north of Scotland and his full sister who is 2, went off to be an all rounder to lovely people not far from us. It is really hard to part with horses, that just love being with you and are so easy to deal with.
I can't wait for my Misti and Kalif baby..........as you say with the temperament from them both is will be worth it's weight in gold, even if it isn't a top class show winner.
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s.jade
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 10:21:00 PM
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Thanks again!
I can't wait to see the foal either....there will be pictures galore when SHE (yes, I'm banking...well,praying!!! on a filly LOL ) hits the ground! Though sadly not until June....far too long to wait! |
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egzotyka
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 11:15:54 PM
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Thank you all for this interesting read...
If ok i would like to no a bit more about my mare (DF Musette) breeding and what Stallion you would suggest if i was to breed from her one day. I already have a few ideas  would be interested to no other opinions.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/df+musette
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 11:27:29 PM
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Egbert
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Posted - 26 Dec 2007 : 12:35:59 PM
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Sam, I can't wait either. Really exciting cross!
I know how you feel as my Equifor foal isn't due til June....aarrrgh....
Egzotyka, WOW! That has to be some mare you have there! You've not indicated color but if she is a gray she must be absolutely spectacular and nothing to sneeze at if chestnut-which is the feeling I have from reading the pedigree-or bay like her Dad. If either of the latter two colors-she would simply have greater bone; more refined than if she were bay but the bay would be a powerhouse...She must be beautiful with extraordinary eyes, good forehand, short back, good hip and overall strong conformation; she should be in the show ring both in hand and under saddle. She is a Kuhailan Rodania that should be bred to an outstanding Seglawi like Charismma, Bengali, Arazi. However you could go to a stallion like Carmargue II or Tobago and have an outstanding result. But I'd be inclined to look for a great Seglawi. Looks to me like you have a mare of extremely high quality.
Qui Gon....Arastin was my very first thought for Black Bess so will stick with him. He has to be one of the most outstanding stallions in the UK and really makes your heart skip a beat in the flesh. Second choices in no particular order are Charismma or any Carmargue stallion, IBreeze at Susan George's....
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LYNDILOU
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 26 Dec 2007 : 3:06:11 PM
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Thanks Egbert for your help and assistance............I'll pass on your recommendations to my friend. I'm sure she will take your advice.
Merry Christmas
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Egbert
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Posted - 27 Dec 2007 : 07:33:55 AM
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Hi Lynda,
Done!
Jayne,
Just remember to tell her that it is imperative that she follow her heart first and foremost. I really think one's "gut reaction" is the truly magical guide to what is best of all. |
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egzotyka
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Posted - 27 Dec 2007 : 3:56:26 PM
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Thank you very much Egbert, she is a Liver Chestnut and she is lovely imo like your ideas for a husband will make note, pic below of my mare this year, in the ridden ring  Thank you again.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 27 Dec 2007 : 5:01:50 PM
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I am particularly proud of this mare as I bred her, I owned her sire and dam she was a sweet natured baby and looks to have grown into a wonderful little lady, she has a full sister DF Ballerina and a half sister called Venus who is By WSA Charismma out of Minuette. just so you can see some family
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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Dec 2007 : 10:42:46 AM
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Lynda,
What is the name of the top mare. I recognize Venus and did you know her facial marking is identical to Carmagnole's?! Must definitely be via Carmargue!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 : 08:50:09 AM
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The top one is DF Ballerina by Bambooki, and out of Minuette so she is a full sister to Musette the liver chestnut. she has had a WSA Charismma filly and is now in ridden work. the filly now lives in Devon at a very good stud farm YES the facial marking is the same right down to the little snip in between the nostrels edited to say ,sorry I forgot to mention thatTHIS is the daughter of DF Ballerina and WSA Charismma, been a bit stressed with work[(
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Egbert
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 : 09:15:39 AM
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Lynda,
Think I am confused....You bred Musette? You owned Bambooki? I didn't know that! I'd thought he belonged to Francesca Murray? Is she still breeding Arabians? |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 29 Dec 2007 : 09:48:01 AM
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sorry for the confusion, francesca , never owned bamboki but had him on lease from the US, I bought him from the owners in the states and he stayed with me until shortly before his death, ( he was gelded by the people who last owned him, but I think he was too old to be gelded. he is much missed by everyone as he was a real gentle person (another picture of Ballerina , she was a real pwer house for movement)
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shelley t
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Egbert
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 : 11:05:24 AM
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Hi Shelly!
Your mare is extremely rare and valuable as well as well bred...Sire line Nazeer via the incredible Vodolej (already I am jealous!) with the dam line to Verana - same as Estopa and most assuredly it is Crabbet and probably to Dajania as this is a line that produces outstanding stallions!
You should seriously consider breeding her to one of the Seglawi Carmargue sons or equally important just about any Seglawi. With the Egyptian, think your very best bet would be Charismma, Arazi, Ali Khamsin, or possibly Carmargue II who is a Menaghi but has the complimentary elements for your mare that the Seglawis have.
While Amir Mostafa is wonderfully bred and you would most likely have a lovely foal, think it might be a tad stuffy because you are bringing in so many kuhailan lines....Within the framework of your resulting pedigree, would think that the Seglawi would find a more harmonious result.
Am always thrilled to see new pedigrees and really can't wait for the show this coming summer as there should be some very very exciting youngsters out there.
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shelley t
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 : 11:31:37 AM
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Hi Egbert,
Thanks for your kind words about my mare Vaddiyah.
I was wondering if you could also suggest some stallions or lines that would compliment the breeding of my filly who is out of Vaddiyah
Her name is Bint Amaretta and here is her pedgiree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bint+amaretta
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Egbert
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 : 12:47:57 PM
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Bint Amaretta is also a very very Kuhailan filly...so would expect that the above stallions would suit her very well.
The rule is that after 3-4 generations of one strain, one should consistently cross out. The Seglawi is universally a great compliment to Kuhailans as well as other strains.
The problem is that in the UK, the majority of horses tend to be strongly of one of the Kuhailan strains. If you look at Bint Amaretta's dam line...as far back as one can go the mares have been covered by a Kuhailan of one substrain or another.
One of the nice things is that the UK has had this tremendous stallion bred by the Greenwoods named Carmargue of predominately British bloodlines and quite unusual-a Seglawi-granted with only 3/8ths outcrossed to Poland (I don't count Skowronek in that as he was used exclusively in the UK) tracing on the sire line to arguably Skowronek's most beautiful and oddly influential son, Naziri. Oddly in the sense that of all the domestically bred British National Champion mares, those statistically most important seemed to consistently have Naziri down on the tail female line! Thus today, the blood of Carmargue on British bred mares, also seems to give that extra added edge, i.e., when taking those offspring to top stallions or mares, the chances are something a little better is going to pop out. It is sort of like, when you have a huge group of competitors standing in front of you, the chances are the first place horse is going to be either a Kuhailan Rodania or one of the Seglawis-Milordka, Bint Helwa, Wadduda, Zulima....then followed by some other Kuhailan... |
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egzotyka
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Posted - 30 Dec 2007 : 12:54:09 PM
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Hi Egbert,
just wondering if you could tell me what you think to the Mare Jypsophelia she is a grey, would love to no who you suggest as a suitable husband.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jypsophelia
Thank you
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Egbert
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 12:04:46 AM
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Hi Egzotyka,
Your mare traces to Milordka and according to the Poles is of the highest Seglawi race...She must be beautiful tho' if young, is still maturing. This line is at it's best between 7-12...Jypsophelia must be lovely as the pedigree is spectacular and shows tremendous beauty and brilliant motion. Michael Harris breeds such beautiful horses...One of the unsung great breeders.
One of the nice things about Jypsophelia is that she is so well bred you can breed her just about any way you want and not go wrong. Find a stallion that just knocks your socks off and go for it. The first stallion that I thought of was Tobago; another will be the upcoming AJA Justified (don't think he'll be ready to breed for another year or so but oh my is he an exciting youngster!) and of course stallions like Rusleem would make awesome crosses. |
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Evie
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 02:10:24 AM
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Hi, I have only just got into reading this thread now, yes I know I'm VERY late, but its been the only chance I've had to get the time to sit down, read and take all the information in, have only managed to read about 10 pages so far, but am excited about reading the rest, it is all so interesting!
I looked on allbreeds and it appears my mare's tail female line goes back to a Saglawiyah Jidraniyeh of Ibn Sudan...is this considered a good tail line?
This is her pedigree.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vlacq+itarille |
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Egbert
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 1:49:24 PM
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| Welcome aboard, Evie! Looks like an outstanding pedigree as she is Bint Helwa (Seglawi Jedrania-quite right), doubled on the dam line and double Mikeno-lots of beautiful horses in her pedigree and her sire line is to Rabdan via *Fadl so would expect there might be a slightly exotic quality about her. The dam line should bring fearlessness, loyalty and great love as well. This is a fun mare as she is another you can breed just about anyway you want and have a great result. |
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Anfi
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 3:15:31 PM
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This is from page 14 of this thread - Egbert on Gayza:
Gayza....Well gotta tell you, I think this is the most important dam line to return to the UK. Except for Rodan-whose desert blood is doubled in her pedigree and Bazrah she is virtually entirely Ali Pasha Sherif/Abbas Pasha bloodlines. Her great granddam Bint Helwa was the bravest mare in the eyes of Wilfrid Blunt-not given to any sentiment whatsoever-he ever knew and when she shattered her leg insisted that she be saved as she had limped back on it nearly 5 miles to the stud. When Carmargue, whose tail female line is via Gayza to Bint Helwa nearly died in Spain, and THREE insurance company vets said he had to euthanized, because he wouldn't go down-despite raging fever and not taking in any water...Diego Mendez opted to sleep in his stall every night to ensure the great stallions i v's stayed in place! Later Don Diego would tell me in an interview that Carmargue was the greatest most courageous stallion he ever knew. And not only did he come back but within three months, he went to the Salon Du Cheval and blew away the competition in the in the preliminary classes and then went on to win the Senior World Championship title with the highest scores in the history of the Salon/World Championships! Kind, incredibly loving/affectionate, with the most beautiful eyes imaginable-these Bint Helwa line horses own your heart. Cam was simply incredibly charismatic... but all horses of that dam line that I've known are the same way. I've a double Bint Helwa Carmargue daughter who is simply awesome sadly, I've never been able to get her in foal and she is 18 this year..but am going to try with fingers crossed an embryo transfer! Another great example of the Gayza dam line is Mustaphah. Gayza was triple Bint Helwa, by the way, which may explain why the horses coming through this line are so very very extraordinary! Bint Helwa was a Seglawi Jidran of the highest quality.
I would be interested to hear Gari's comment on the fact that Vlacq Itarille is bay - how would you expect this to influence her inheritance from her damline which holds no bays in the nearest generations (the first one is Idar by Radi)?
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Jan 2008 : 1:16:00 PM
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Hi Anne!!
Great to see you here!
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!
Valacq Itarille, as a bay, should be very well put together, slightly long in the back, an easy ride, not too much white (the Gayza lines can throw a lot of white but it is usually in the grays with the bays having a slight resemblence to Khemosabi offspring {!}) , a bit quieter than a gray counterpart, a bit subdued comparatively, an outstanding ride and a superb broodmare. This is a special individual and am basing it on the observation of Velvet Shadow and the bays evolving out of this line. She was not as charismatic as her gray daughters but she was as solid as the bank of England in terms of fecundity and behavior.
Evie is there any chance you could post a picture?
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