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Jamana
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 Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 2:45:11 PM
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I can see how popular you are, you must be swamped with enquiries! but if you are like me with TB pedigree's then it is so interesting that it never seems a chore!!
So, with that hopefully being the case.....
please could you tell me anything about my lovely old mare that has recently died? she is JOLI ( MUDIR X JOBIL {Musketeer}) and her daughter by SHAJIHR (SHAJI x CARRAGH {Huckleberry Fynn}) i own the filly.
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Judith S
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 3:25:30 PM
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WOW Egbert - have had a quick read - will sit down & digest it bettter later! Thankyou!!
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saluq
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England
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 8:17:02 PM
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thank you egbert I am even more excited at having brought DF Prima Ballerina home now many thanks. You have decided what I should do I could not decide whether to show Prima Ballerina or put her in foal. I will definately put her in foal now
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 9:28:39 PM
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Egbert, how great that will be to see you in Vegas, and how clever of you to know that Salugs foal will be a lock picker,  ! spooky !prima ballerina has many times let herself out and procceded to let every one else out too! a highly intelligent mare! |
   
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 11:53:51 AM
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Hi Lynda! Blood tells the tale!!! Are you going to go to the Gala on the 19th???
Hi Madmare!
Both of your girls tail-females travel to Bint Helwa-and are thus Seglawis. Crystal Atlantis must be robust, looks more Kuhailan than Seglawi...Super riding mare, reliable, courageus and hopefully she has had some foals as this would be a super mare from which to breed. You could breed her to anything and have a good result of real quality.
If Tengar is a gray she is very very beautiful. Lots of quality here too...A bit more quiet with the ability to come to rather enthusiastically. Do be careful with this little girl as she can concentrate so hard on one thing that she will be startled to find herself being asked to do something else. Sort of like a teenage girl daydreaming....a very endearing youngster. Any chance of seeing a picture?
Tamila...Would love to see some of Roxaana, too!
Kitty,
Love Crystal Khaleila, smoooooth, would be a super ride but with this pedigree would think you could do halter as well. This is a fun mare that can bring a lot of joy. I'd be very tempted to find a stallion not unlike Lynda's Charismma...Your girl would give leg and stretch, he'd add that extra exotic quality...Wonderful mare. A Wadnan Khirsnian...very successful line in the show ring and breeding.
WGS...Couldn't pull your boy up on the All Breeds database...Could you post him, his parents? Then I'll try to run him again. Also, is Psynergy the dam? Thought that Psynergy was a stallion?
Helen, You are up next!
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Silvern_Scepris
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tamila
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 1:46:12 PM
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| Hi Egbert, I shall try and get some nice photos this spring os Roxaana. She should look really good this year as , of course, when I bought her she was very thin. |
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madmare
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England
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 6:01:31 PM
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I will post pics of Frankie as soon as I have her on my yard...waiting for her to arrive!!
Sadly, Crystal has only had one Anglo foal..called Ihwan, and I can't find her. You are bang on about her being a super riding mare...and I would love to get a pure bred foal from her, I am seriously tempted!!!!! She is rising 21 now...and is still a wonderful mare to have around...thank you Egbert!!! What type of stallion would you recommend for Crystal?
BTW..you are right, Frankie (Quisaz Tengar) is a grey! |
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sammyd0380
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England
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 10:34:01 PM
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Dear Egbert,
Wow! How on earth do you know so much information on so many horses?!!!
I wonder if you might be able to give me any info on Silver Mebo
(Derbist/Nyali), and also recommend what type of stallion might suit her?
Many thanks in advance
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 09:13:22 AM
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Helen,
Am so sorry you have lost Joli. She must have been very very beautiful. Interestingly she was heavily line bred to Naseem and given the opportunity, must have had some lovely babies, her grays being particularly nice. Her dam line traced to Rodania, a Kuhailan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan aka Kuhailan Rodania. What is odd is that she died comparatively young. Her sire, Mudir must have been lovely. While the bottom of his pedigree was predominately of British lines including Musgrave Clark and Crabbet he was 3/4's Egyptian....With the dam line to Basilisk, a Seglawi Ibn Ed Derri...Very much the peacock with outstanding movement. The dam's side of the pedigree also has lines to Azrek via *Berk. So Joli, meaning pretty in French, must have been a lovely mover as well.
Her daughter, must be very pretty, somewhat robust compared to her dam with lots of quality and a look at me attitude that is very endearing. She too, should have excellent athletic ability. What are your plans for the filly?
Silvern Scepris,
Wow! That is some mare! Love the pedigree. Wish that there were an indicator of color. So many traits travel with color, but differing in the lines...For example those containing Naziri and are bay are tremendous breeding animals but not particularly attractive themselves but their gray babies can be out of this world. The grays of the line are loaded with quality but not necessarily knock 'em dead gorgeous but with age-the lines take forever to mature - once over 8 years of age they are definitely horses to write home about. This particular mare must be very lovely as she has Mikeno, Saladin II, Roxana, a fun ride, sweet to be around and one carefully bred, should give some very nice babies. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 09:35:21 AM
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Tamila, will look forward to seeing those picts when convenient...Heard your weather is still pretty miserable!
Madmare, you have a wonderfully well bred mare. Pick out your favorite stallion. She can be bred anyway you want and have a nice result. You have really been blessed with a fabulous mare.
Sammy,
You have a big powerful robust mare, probably very very attractive if not beautiful, a Wadnan Khirsnian-probably with halter/in hand potential....I'd love to see you breed her to Egyptian lines...anything that appeals to you...One of the Carmargues/Cam descendants...preferably something that will mature a little earlier as she will normally mature later...Brilliant mover, isn't she? Is she a bit of a show off? Enjoys an audience? Just so powerful and yet something very nice and feminine too. Another whose picture I'd love to see!
Later,
Just looking at her pedigree again and have this feeling that there is something very sweet about her, kindly...really like her.... |
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Lori
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England
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 10:08:28 AM
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Wow Egbert you are absolutely amazing. I'm so so in awe of all you know, being a relatively newcomer to the arab world i just find this so interesting. Please if you have time will you check out my girls, AV Faahrever (Eternity ibn Navaronne x Om El Faarah) and Verapamila (Piligrim x Vizantia)
Thank you so much but only if you have time, you must be inundated with requests but you make the history of our horses come so alive |
     
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madmare
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 11:48:15 AM
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| Thank you Egbert....(sneaks off to check out the stallions at stud section) |
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saluq
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England
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 2:13:34 PM
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Hi Egbert
just had DF Prima Balerina's test results back and she is homozygous BLACK so your guess of a bay was right!!!
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Silvern_Scepris
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England
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 8:05:12 PM
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Hi Egbert,
She is grey, very pretty and very tall, with amazing paces! If my friend was to put her in foal, who would you recommend as a possible sire? Here is a pic of here, not the best, but you get an idea:
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 9:32:45 PM
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Thankyou so much Egbert. You were absolutely spot on with this mare. I will try to get a photo to you (when I can manage to work it out!!). She is robust, and beautiful, although not overly tall.
Thankyou so much again for your time, it is very much appreciated. |
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 10:27:12 AM
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Hi Lori,
My first impression is that your girl, AV Faahrever is sweet but very very hot...she has 4 crosses to *Morafic alone up fairly close. She should look quite Egyptian, if notlike a straight-very refined, dry, beautiful head of delicate bone structure. Her maternal grandsire, Sherem El Sheikh was one of the most majestic of the El Shaklan sons...for many who saw him the first time, he was THE best son of *El Shaklan and very different. He was a unanimous winner of the show championship at Scottsdale. Oh, and Faahrever has to be gorgeous...Her sire line is Nazeer; her dam line El Dahma thus she is a Dahman Shawan by strain. You can breed her anyway you want but my inclination would be to outcross to a great Polish, British or Russian stallion free of Egyptian lines.
Verapamila is an awesome, do it all type, beautiful, if not stunningly so, with masses of scope, power, brilliance in motion. Incredible halter and ridden potential...The kind of mare that should knock people's socks off whatever lines they might like, she is that impressive. This should be quite a reliable ridden mare, one that can be wonderful and kindly with children, allowing them a quiet ride yet can turn it on to give the most critical judge a tremendously powerful one. She may be a little late maturing and should actually become most beautiful when she is closer to 7 years of age. Bred to one of the Carmargues..like Camargue Too who is very important because he has the ability to add tremendous dimension, scope and beauty without re-saturating the pedigree with Egyptian blood, i.e., overdone sE will tend to inbreed/linebreed to such an extent that it often means a loss motion. If Nashaal or Mareschal are available, they would be fabulous outcrosses too.
(The idea of mixing in such lines which have such tremendous integrity of blood with the more currently fashionable ones, promises tremendous results-IF one is looking to create top notch show and breeding stock.)
Lori you have certainly been blessed with two very very impressive mares. |
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KittyB
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 8:28:21 PM
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Egbert , many thanks for your comments. I'll have to do some research on the Wadnan Khirsnian.
Thanks again
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Egbert
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 10:22:59 PM
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Kitty,
You are welcome!
Silvern Scepris/Elizabeth,
Oh so many wonderful stallions...so little time......First choice: Any *Carmargue, *Padron related stallion, Emiliusz, FS Bengali, Narim, for all around halter and performance; Dervatiw Gwyddion for performance... Personally I'd start at looking at all those and think in terms of breeding to your favorite. Symokhan should produce well to anything BUT would love to see her breed to one that will lock in the type that goes with her pedigree which is streaming forward to those four crosses to Naziri on the sire's side of the pedigree. But the owner might have another favorite look. What is the favorite horse in her mare's pedigree? Should she try to find a stallion that carries the favorite's blood? I am biased towards the Carmargues because he brings in Naziri-a stallion whose influence is huge when used. For example few realize that *Padron has two crosses to Naziri through Shamnar on the dam line and the maternal grandsire, that of the homebred British National Champions in hand with dam line to Rodania in a number of instances, were though the Naziri daughters Risira or Shamnar. Naziri was so important because he was considered at the time THE most beautiful son of Skowronek. Lady Wentworth advertised him as "the most beautiful Arabian alive" and that during the life of what many have thought was the most beautiful, Naseem! Over and over she would say that Naziri was the best of all. So, considering how many Naseems, Raseyns, Raffles are around, it just seems important that the Naziri sire line finds a niche-especially considering the awesome quality that comes through with the emphasis. The drawback to the line is that it often takes forever to mature. |
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 10:26:56 PM
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| thanks Egbert, I will pass your words of wisdom onto her!! |
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Mar 2007 : 09:38:14 AM
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| Fabulous Lynda! Thank you so much for sharing...OoOOOOH! I want one like that! By the way, who is that mare (?)-4th picture over going left to right? Gorgeous creature! (all are beautiful but she/he is an eye catcher!) |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 Mar 2007 : 09:56:46 AM
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| She is" Shaheena," BY OM EL Shaheen, out of a WSA Charismma daughter, she is lovely, although funny enough she was a late developer! glad you like her, it means a lot to me when you approve any of my horses |
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Mar 2007 : 12:53:32 PM
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Lynda,
Everything I've seen of yours-I love! You've been an extraordinary steward of the Carmargue lines. Is Shaheena's dam line Egyptian? In that photo she has that look about her. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 Mar 2007 : 1:20:10 PM
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Hi Egbert,Her dam is Shantu Sequal,and she is out of Esta Pasham who was out of el Kahira, By El Shaklan, so there is a fair amount of Egyptan on the dam line, but she has taken a lot from her Paternal dam line which is" Bint Shantu Halima," who was By Ansata Ibn Sudan and out of an El Hilal daughter "Shaheena" Is Double Carmague and double El Shaklan giving her more than a good dose Beauty I will always be a keen Carmargue bloodline breeder and think his blood will continue to be as strong in the show rings around the world tomorrow as it is today
picture of Mum and my first ever WSA Charismma daughter now 13 years old |
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Edited by - LYNDILOU on 13 Mar 2007 3:47:37 PM |
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