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Sarahw
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tamila
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 Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 06:41:59 AM
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| Dear Egbert, When you have time perhaps you could make some comment on my other mare. She is Roxaana, by Nashaal (AHmoun x Nyala of Melchet) out of Roxanya (Blue Grotto x Bint Roxana). I am hoping to breed a Crabbet/Old English foal from her next year. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 7:21:10 PM
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Hi Angel,
Looks like Safi Amira is of heavily Courthouse bloodlines on the dam's side with the incomparable Skowronek sire line via *Carmargue's grandson Bur Zehri (Nazehri x Bur Sable by Aladdinn Echo). Her dam line traces to the Abbas Pasha/Ali Pasha Sherif related straight Egyptian, Sobha, a Hamdani Simri line mare and a favorite of Lady Anne's via the *Berk daughter, Safarjal, bred at Crabbet and gifted to Clark as a result of her slightly underhanded acquisiton of Skowronek. The value of Safarjal was that she imparted such fabulous movement to all her descendants along with her striking bay coloring courtesty of *Berk.
My expectation is that the foal by Mostafa, will probably be gray, exquisitely beautiful, smooth bodied, short backed, long legs, huge eyes, very dished head, superb mover and have an exceptionally sweet disposition.
Sinderella should somewhat fit the description above but with more scope added, coupled with extraordinary intelligence. The reason for the latter is the sire's dam line to the Davenport import *Wadduda whose name reportedly translates as 'affection and love'. Not only were the *Wadduda line horses very loving, courageous, with great endurance but they are simply the rocket scientists of Arabdom. As a rule that tail female finds a formidable horse with a prehensile nose that can find it's way through any lock-including those of the combination variety! My guess is Sinderella's dam line to Sobha would temper the brilliance and channel itself into figuring ways to please you. She must be a rather nice sort!
Sarahw and Tamila will catch your horses next post....but I saw Mareschal and Nashaal as youngsters at Sue Connor's back in the early '90's.
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joan
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Tomos
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Posted - 16 Feb 2007 : 12:34:25 PM
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Dear Egbert, many thanks for taking the time to look at my mares, and the lovely comments you have made about them, its made me appreciate them even more.
We don't own Fabberge, but I have managed to track him down he is now in happy retirement with his breeder (also getting on in years), she told me that he was a superb powerful, mover which Cacharel has certainly inherited. Cacharel always likes to be around you, she is incredibly easy and takes everything in her stride, she has a big personality.
Augusta is always quietly pleased to see you, she has an enormous doe like eye, which I've been told comes from Rheingolde, I never saw him in the flesh.
As for Alize you have summed up exactly my thoughts when I first saw her, immense quality, she looks ethereal from a distance but as you get closer you realise she is very well made mare of great beauty. Again she is very sensitive, and also very talkative in a quiet sort of way. When I bought her she was still with the person who bought her from Mrs Kirch, she had never left her paddock and stable for 11 years, sadly her uterus is in very poor shape, and the chances of her getting in foal and carrying a pregnancy full term are remote, I am pssibly considering ET this year in an attempt to contine this great line.Its amazing that you were thinking of buying her. She looks remarkably like Aboud, we will be updating our website in the spring so will have photos of them all soon.
I now have a problem as you've got me hooked, I would love to ask you about many horses that I have been privileged to spend time with but I am going to contain myself to 2 more, if you do find any spare time it would be lovely if you could look at Bint Amazima Amaziah Shah/Dhakars Nazima, she was my friend and riding horse for over 20 years, she is also the dam of our present stallions, the other is April Fairy Wermut/Augusta, I have been told that Warmia, Wermuts dam was very highly thought of in Poland.
Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and passion !
Mandy
ps pedigrees of Bint Amazima & April Fairy are on our website |
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angel2002
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Posted - 16 Feb 2007 : 12:50:29 PM
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Thank you so much Egbert,
You were spot on with Sinderella, she is around 15'3, has the sweetest temperament ever, a lovely head, brilliant mover when she chooses and has the curliest ears I have ever seen! I am not sure where the ears came from as Safi Amiras are quite straight. She and I have a special relationship that has been there since the day she was born. I would say she is a rather nice sort but of course I am bias:)
Safi Amira on the other hand has the attitude of a stallion! She roars when excited, she is very independant (unlike her daughter Sinderella who sticks to me like glue), she moves like a russian with a lovely free flowing shoulder and she has been known to take apart the post and rail fence one rail at a time, putting the rail to one side with her teeth, just to let herself in! She is one smart cookie :)
I do hope you are right about the baby due in April, I would love a grey but really any colour will do as long as mum and baby are healthy.
Thank you again for your time, If I don't speak to you before I will let you know what the foal is like when it is born.
Mandy aka 'Angel'
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saluq
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Judith S
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Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 8:03:46 PM
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Dear Egbert
I didn't want to bother you - but some A-Liners say I should! I have this stallion - took him on over a year ago - he's now 19 (going on a five year old!) hes Rameed (Gaymet/Radsilla) :http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rameed - what do you make of his bloodlines & can you guide me as to what lines I should look for in a mare that would compliment his - with the view of producing a horse that would be first & foremost a family friend but also have the scope to be an endurance horse. I have one of his babies - whos now 8 & is a wonderful family horse & a good endurance horse - (bred before I bought the stallion) I have this boys dam shes Rumbolds Contessa -http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rumbolds+contessa - together she & Rameed have had several lovely offspring. Unfortunatly shes not in foal this year - what do you make of her bloodlines & her breeding to Rameed?
Rameed is of an old fashioned stamp, heavy build, stands four-square, lots of bone, amazing movement & a wonderful temperament - hes also chestnut with four white legs & face & is 96.56% Crabbet.
Sorry - lots of questions!
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Egbert
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 06:23:03 AM
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Hi Folks,
Haven't forgotten you. Am having a terrible time with my computer and have to get a story out which has first priority. Am afraid this thing will freeze up entirely. Please bear with me. I'll be back before the week is out hopefully.
Egbert
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Lila
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 10:51:31 AM
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Hi All, My Anglo Arabian is out of my first mare who was out of Maschja going back to Houbaran and Aldebaran and Azimat Hilayat. Are there any horses left in England with this breeding?? They are such lovely horses.
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 11:51:00 AM
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Hi Sarah!
I've a very soft spot for Marechal. He is one of the great horses with legends of the breed making up his pedigree. Brilliant mover, superb temperament, nearly flawless conformation, and a typical Kuhailan Rodania with tail female arriving via the Naziri daughter, Risira...through Silver Ripple...What is there not to simply be ecstatic about in this pedigree? Just a phenomenal stallion.
The baby with Shamunah will be a Kuhailan with a very Seglawi influence. If a gray, it will be out of this world exotic. If Chestnut or Bay...It will be a wonderful breeding animal and very lovely but quite Kuhailan looking rather than taking on the elegance of the grays in this line. Obviously as her pedigree is every bit as legendary as Mareschal's would expect the baby to be of outstanding quality and slightly more full of herself and very intelligent. When do we see the baby????The Wunderkind????
Tamila, what color is your girl? She too is of wonderful Old English/Crabbet lines, with one of the great stallions alive-Nashaal...Absolutely stunning. With her pedigree would think she borders on exotic. If you are going to stay within Crabbet, think you would get something super exotic with Klinta Sultan...excellent blood there...But would really like to see her have a gray baby....What a boon to Arabdom to make that happen!
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Sarahw
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 5:36:41 PM
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Thank you Egbert - Mareschal is very special to me too - I can't believe he has been with us for almost 7yrs now.
Shamunah is due to foal 15th June - so quite late really - but I am sure it will be worth waiting for. We ideally want a colt to take over from "Dad" eventually .... but if a filly comes along that will be kept and treasured just as much.
We plan to cover Shamunah again all being well, as Mareschal is 25 now and has begun to feel his age sometimes.
We have two part bred sons (Palomino's) and a part bred daughter (Chestnut)of Mareschals - all of whom were unfortunately born too late for Sue to see.
The daughter is due to foal herself at the end of June.
All are very beautiful, very intelligent, very special "people". |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 9:43:14 PM
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Lynda,
See you in LV...barring anything unforeseen! Yee Haw! |
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Lindsay
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madmare
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tamila
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 12:58:42 PM
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| My girl Roxaana is exotic and is chestnut but I would love a grey as I have a paaion for greys but still appreceiate any good horse whatever the colour. I will bear the stallion you have recommended in mind. She is a very extravagent mover and very much a mare. I bought as I loved her mum . dad and, of course, her grandfather, Ahmoun. He was my all time favourite stallion. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 12:21:38 PM
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Really have to apologize...Am still having issues with the silly computer...Now it is working but as slow as molasses...
Hi Joan!
Here is Snow Ffalcon should be stunningly beautiful, a fun horse to be around but very hot. Should be a good halter gelding and a great riding horse if not endurance horse because he should want to get up and go at the drop of a hat. I'd almost like to see you do gymkhana with this kind of youngster just to give him something to think about. He is a bit self absorbed, would be my guess...spooking for the fun of it kind of guy...but can get down to business if asked and will.
Electra is one of those great mares that should be gorgeous to look at, fun to show halter and in performance-heck you could even race her and enjoy some success. But even more fun is that you will be able to breed her to a variety of stallions with success...though I'd be on the look out for the great Seglawi. She is a Kuhailan Mimreh-one of the 'listening mares'.
Beth,
Think a Saluq x Ballerina would be an awesome cross. Think you will get exceptional pretty, refined and probably a dark bay youngster, a filly comes to mind but don't know why...must be something in the pedigree that spells out filly....Whatever it is you should be over the moon with the result...She will be a kuhailan Rodania, very sweet, intelligent-could be a lock picker type...
Judith S...Rameed is quite a character and an extremely honest horse by the look of the pedigree. Look forward to looking at mim more closely..later today or tomorrow.
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KittyB
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 12:56:12 PM
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Dear Egbert
I've been following this thread with interest, and would be grateful for your comments on my mare, Crystal Khaleila, pedigree as follows:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crystal+khaleila
She's a beautiful liver chestnut, 12 years old, and a super forward enthusiastic ride. I had hoped for a foal by Golden Emir this year, but unfortunately she just wouldn't entertain him!
Any comments greatly appreciated.
Many thanks |
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joan
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 1:36:08 PM
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Hi Egbert
Many, many thanks for your response.
Your explanation of Snow Ffalcon is spot on! He's generally got far too much energy and spooks instead of concentrating on work. Gets bored very easily and doesnt like going in the school every day, but at the moment he's not safe to hack by myself as roads to busy and no one to hack with (I also work full time), so I can only lead out on the roads at weekends.
Gymkhana is a great idea to keep his mind on something for the moment, with endurance to come in future years.
Re my filly, can you please let me have a little bit more info. on what you mean by describing her as "one of the listening mares?"
thanks
Joan
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Anfi
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 2:05:33 PM
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Hi Joan,
I tried Googling for listening mares and found this:
http://www.olvastewartpharo.com/Anazeh.html
It does say 'Kehilan al Maisan' and not Mimreh, but I wonder if it is not the same strain that Egbert is talking about?
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joan
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 7:15:33 PM
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Anne,
many thanks for the link to listening mares. very interesting.
Joan |
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Egbert
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 12:35:59 AM
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Hi Anne,
Just a real quick note. Remember about phonetic spelling of the same name? A lot of words in Arabic are pronounced differently in different regions and the English speaker hearing them for the first time hears it differently ... In fact you will find that in about half the citations by Deirdre in her book on the Nationals winners she gives a different but same strain name for those tail females tracing to the Polish mare Sahara! Trust me...Joan's mare is a "listener"! Great website by the way! Many many thanks for finding it! More later! |
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Egbert
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 10:40:20 AM
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Judith S,
The Rameed pedigree is fascinating. Yes, I am not surprised that he looks more of the athlete and less of the halter horse but bred to the right mare, he could very easily sire a very very fancy baby who would retain the wonderful companion horse disposition and athletic ability whilst having an overwhelming beauty. From his photo, he looks quite pleasant. You have the wonderful Bright Shadow on the sire's side for calm, kindly disposition and the dam line that has both a lot of pretty as well as the reputation for being the outstanding companion horses the Hamdani Simri's have been described as being. There is a bit of mischief in this line but only the kind that is sweet. I had one and this was the kindest stallion on earth but he knew just what to do to put me on guard...and I swear, he'd do it and then laugh. Anyway, I'd be on the look out for a very beautiful Egyptian cross with a lot of Ansata Ibn Halima in her or a Carmargue related daughter. If they traced to Bint Helwa on the dam line, better still.
Rumbold's Contessa must be a very robust horse of tremendous action and athletic ability, not particularly feminine but with a bit of pretty in the dam line that may have manifested when she was bred to Rameed. This is a no-nonsense line tracing to the World's Fair US import *Nejdme who was initially said to be a Kuhailan Ajuz but breeds rather Seglawi (her importer claimed 40 years later that she was indeed a Seglawi Jedran from the finest family of horses)..a little longer in the head, brave, and tremendously athletic. Would imagine she was a bit longish, close to the ground, but pretty with a big eye, pleasing head, smooth bodied and transmitted that. In motion she would be vastly better than at rest. Would expect she was a very good mare in her hayday...What about an embryo transfer?
Lila, I've not run into those lines except those giving Aldabaran...of which there is a lot. Have you looked at the progeny of the horses on allbreeds?
Lindsay, I like Stardrift, a Hamdani Simri to Dancing Shadow who goes back to Dafina, a Keheilan Krush. There is a lot of potential for tremendous beauty there as well as super star quality atheltic ability while maintaining a tremendous temperament. I love the cross and would love to see the result. The most beautiful would be a gray as there would be a touch more refinement coming through with the gray coloring but the chestnuts of the line seem to maintain tremendous quality as well. Hope the mating is done.
More in the next day or so... |
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wgs
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 2:34:17 PM
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Wow what an amazing thread - have been studing it for ages.
Egbert....I have to say you are an impressive font of knowledge,so much detail!
If you get chance could you possible have a look at my gelding Psynbad (Zahnisha Gold/Psynergy)...am intrigued to know your thoughts.
Many thanks, Sarah. |
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