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Egbert
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 08:19:42 AM
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Hi Jude and Fiona,
Remember double check grandparents and great grandparents on Allbreeds to ensure they are correct...I've not corrected all that I've seen but there are a number that are off and am trying to correct those I do see. |
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Fee
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 08:28:28 AM
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Thanks Jude and Egbert...will get on to doing this, but I must check with Delyth Gamlin first to ensure I have all the details correct as she bred them all.
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nikki
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 10:40:17 AM
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Hiya Egbert,
You are truely gifted!
Hayshah is pretty (but then i think all arabs are).
She is grey, though has a fair amount of bone.
This little girl is trouble with a capital T!
So pleased to see me one day she jumped out of her field at least 4ft high, when she was appprox 1month old! Despite making fence higher, she still jumps out occasionally.
I'm not complaining-i love jumping!
From day one, she was independent. Mum one way, she another.
She had an ulcer on her eye, and was very good when she had 3 different drops, every 3 hours. Just stood there and let me do it.
She just loves fuss and attention. I love her to bit's, such a funny child!Everyone loves her!
Egbert, where does this personality come from?
Her father, is a very determined horse, and he doesn't tire easily.
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Egbert
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 9:16:19 PM
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Ahhhh....Nikki, Didn't think it would come through as he is on just one side of the pedigree BUT 9 times...*Raseyn. Combined with the Ferida tail female and a lot of wonderful athletes....you have love and mischief. But as the *Raseyn is a dominant here...Hayshah will take a lonnngggg time to mature physically...In other words she will go through gangly times, times when her eyes are p-sized, her head appearing nearly Roman nosed...BUT DO NOT give up on her. By the time she is 6-7 she really will be stunning AND have an almost unusual elegance...and she will always be full of some degree of mischief. This is a filly who will always be fun. Do channel her ability to jump...but wait til she is 5 or so for serious work in this area. Remember horses taking a long time to mature will need time to allow the bones to mature and you don't want to put the kind of stress on the joints that ridden jumping can cause. Hopefully at some point you can share some pictures of her.
Also keep an eye on her motion...*Raseyn was 5 gaited and at some point would expect you are going to see the incredible action emerge...
Edited to add-Found the "portal", as it were, to give the 'push' to the *Raseyn influence: His paternal granddam Ridaa appears on both sides of the pedigree! |
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nikki
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 11:08:39 AM
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How funny-her eyes are going a bit pea shaped at the moment!
Scary how right you are.
Cheers Nikki |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 10:35:22 PM
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| Thank you, Nikki! My head is swelling..... |
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heatherr
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 Feb 2007 : 12:03:44 PM
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Sorry, Couldn't even pull up the Forum for the last couple of days. Thought there was something wrong with my laptop!
Here you go Heatherr...You have a simply splendid horse in Zabannah!
Well, she certainly must be wonderful! Sire line Mesaoud, dam line the awesome Bint Helwa, via the reimported wunderkind, Gayza, so a lock on the best of the Seglawi Jedrans. In the sixth generation the dam line features Rose du Sable. What makes her interesting is that she is fairly intensely bred to Bint Helwa thereby acting to fix these qualities most associated with the old Seglawi Jedrans-Courage, beauty, action...with the right owner and a lot of trust these horses would charge anything-from smoke belching freight trains to a pride of lions...Nothing would deter them. Conversely without their special human...they would be thinking about everything they are doing...Indian Banner was a wonderful stallion, very beautiful-majestic is a word that comes to mind. His dam line traces to Rodania via the legendary Naziri, the most beautiful son of Skowronek. Can only imagine that your girl is the epitome of the great old English/Crabbet at its most spectacular best. She is triple Indian Magic, the Wenworth 'Super Horse' and double Silver Gilt who was renowned for ethereal beauty. All in all pedigrees don't get much better than what you have there! Pictures???? (thanks for asking about her...love the pedigree!)
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heatherr
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Posted - 05 Feb 2007 : 12:39:56 PM
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Egbert thank you. Your thoughts on Zabannah's breeding mean a lot to me I fell in the love with the horse before I had seen her breeding in detail, although was looking for strong Indian Magic and Sirella influence 
She is very classic Crabbet/GSB, lots of bone, quite a sustantial girl! She is starting to get the classical ethereal look, but her head is taking forever to "dry out". She is very bold and brave when with me or other horses, but does not take to being on her own at all. As for movement - oh yes  showing inhand is hard work as her stride is sooooo long!! None of my photography does her justice and I cannot post the professional ones as they have copywrite. I will bring them to Al Waha in August and gush unashamedly. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 Feb 2007 : 11:46:47 AM
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Hi Heatherr!
By the end of next year she should be quite glam! I did have a mare whose tooth bumps didn't go away until well into her 7th year and then she was oh so lovely! But for awhile I was really scratching my head!!
Am looking forward to 'gushing'!!!
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stella
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Treasure
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Posted - 06 Feb 2007 : 8:49:12 PM
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Egbert, you invited me to join in this thread - I have the filly Malawi (Aazari x Monsoon) and you were going to give me some more information on her dam line ...?? I'm so impressed with your knowledge and your summing up of traits etc. It sounds as if my filly's personality will be shaped by her rather aristocratic pedigree - but aren't they all?
I know she is sooooo well bred with Carmargue and El Shaklan on both sire and dam sides . My intention is to breed eventually and am considering Polish (Monogramm line) or back to Hugh and Michelle's current boy Azteq. Plenty of time I know |
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Fee
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Posted - 06 Feb 2007 : 10:44:35 PM
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Hi Egbert,
Only when/if you have time as this is just curiosity on my part. Talking recently to Delyth Gamlin about my girl's foals (Her first and third were by Ffatal Attraction) but her middle foal was by a stallion called 'Salaam'. I went to allbreeds, but he wasn't there, so I got more more details and now I've added him (correctly I hope!)
I know nothing at all of this stallion except he was leased to the Gamlins at the time and they put Po in foal to him. Delyth also told me he just died recently, which is so sad 
Just wondered what you thought of his pedigree? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/salaam6 and of course on the resulting foal! http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/spaartan
Thank you Thank you
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Egbert
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Posted - 11 Feb 2007 : 12:35:49 PM
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Oh Dear,
This is one of those very frustrating times...Wrote 1/2 up of the requests and before anything could be posted, hit something and the whole thing disappeared. So Stella, am going to ansewr you first, post and then later today Treasure and Fee. My apologies ladies.
Stella,
Fanilla is simply wonderful. Her sire line is to Skowronek via Gai Parada which is doubled in the overall pedigree. But the strength seems to come from CRystal Magician with that chestnut coloring. Fanilla must be quite a lady-regal, the queen of the pasture on the one hand, sweet, reliable riding horse, beautiful-she actually should be quite stunning as her dam line goes back to the illustrious Roxana bred and owned by Mary Russell and later inherited by the great artist, Miss Meg Stevens. Smooth, beautiful, regal, correct a wonderful mare.
El Fherona must be exotic, substantial, not quite as correct as Fanilla but more delicate in appearance overall which is actually misleading, this is a mare that can really turn it on and should be very charismatic. With the sire line to Nazeer via Fakhr El Kheil and dam line to Dajania with three up close crosses to Indian Magic, can only imagine she is a show horse and superb broodmare-or should be. She is now approaching her greatest beauty as this is a line that takes a very long time to mature. Can you post pictures?
More later.
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Anfi
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Fee
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Posted - 11 Feb 2007 : 4:34:03 PM
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Thank you Anne, that's much better...a picture! He looks very handsome!  |
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Egbert
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Posted - 12 Feb 2007 : 3:00:29 PM
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Hi Treasure,
Thank you so much for coming over. Your youngster, Malawi, indeed has to be so wonderful...am agog and can only imagine that she is a major showring contender. What I love is that she is properly linebred to both Carmargue and El Shaklan...totally different dam lines so they are strength in the pedigree. Moreover, you have so many wonderful horses like Mareschal who brings in additional lines to Naziri and Bright Shadow-extraordinary beauty coupled with the sweetest and kindest of temperaments; First Blush who brings in lines to the great tail female, *Wadduda...renowned for extraordinary charisma and intelligence; the incredible ALgola tracing to the Skowronek daughter Seriya through Aazari, thus a Hamdani Simri again renowned for great beauty and sweetness of disposition...the perfect best friend.
By the way, I saw Arazi shortly after he was born. He was bar none the most gorgeous baby I've ever seen...with a wonderful pedigree....But am going to bet that his son, Aazari, will prove to the better breeding stallion simply because he is the best of the best in pedigree and the Carmargue bays have been exceptional breeding animals.
I also knew Djammal as a baby as well as his dam...No sweeter, kinder, nor more beautiful broodmares was Aphrodite and Bint Jamiellah was sheer perfection. Anne Cumming, her breeder, had imported Aphrodite from Germany as her foundation mare and Mrs. Cumming was the first to ever use *Carmargue. These were horses that were well loved, returning it measure for measure, and Anne was a gifted breeder...Perhaps the most famous of her daughters/granddaughters was Jemille by Carmargue out of Bint Jamiellah. Jemille was the dam of the incredibly beautiful British National Champion TAS Fascination by Zircon Nazeer-probably the most beautiful 2 year old filly I've ever seen.
Fee - before 24 hours are out...will be responding.
Finally, the dam line to Nuhra...Nuhra if nothing else has proven to be a line of very very reliable broodmares and incredible show horses. Kazra, Razehra, Muzri, Kazminda and on and on of greats. In the hands of the Maxwells...the horses of this line are legends...Maleik El Kheil is arguably the greatest son of *El Shaklan...
If there is any way of describing your Malawi-'Angel Horse' is probably most apt. You have been genuinely blessed. PLEASE...PICTURES!!! |
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stella
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Posted - 12 Feb 2007 : 3:35:57 PM
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Oh Egbert - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
You are spot on with both descriptions of the girls.
Billy (Fanilla) is a real sweetheart. A kind face and a kind heart and extremely beautiful to look at. Billy has always looked 'made', if you know what I mean! (Her picture is on the extreme left and right).
Ellie (El Fherona) is strong-willed, can turn on the attitude in a second and is a real athlete with a stonking trot but it has taken her an eternity to mature - in fact, I don't think she has finished yet! (Her pic is next to Billy on the left and right).
Their photos are both in my sig - I will try and post them larger later when I have more time to figure out how to do it.
Thank you again - I cannot tell you how excited I was to read your post! |
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Treasure
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Tomos
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Posted - 12 Feb 2007 : 8:55:22 PM
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Hi Egbert, I've been following this facinating thread with interest.
If you have the time I would love to know your thoughts on my mares.
They are Cacharel Fabberge/Farahs Fantasy, Augusta Rheingolde/Fairy Ring and Alize Bint Azeme Istfahan/ Azeme Bint Gleam. Cacharel has already had a foal by Imad and is returning to him, Augusta is in foal to Imad and I have been possibly thinking of Spearmint as a future husband for her.
Look forward to hearing from you
Mandy
ps their pedigrees are all on my website in my signature |
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 12:28:39 PM
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Hi Fee,
Ansata El Salaam looks to have been rather unusual if only because what came out in the pedigree via Mabrouka, I think...With all the crosses to Nazeer one would think that he would have come out a very exotic gray. Instead he came out a very very exotic chestnut. Moreover his grandsire, Ansata Shah Zaman was the result of a full brother full sister mating... Mabrouka, of course was the chestnut and a Seglawi...So, imho opinion was the greater influence at work in the pedigree. Indeed, Shah Zaman was very plain in the face...whilst the Moniet el Nefous influence was quite exotic. As a result, even tho' Salaam was a Dahman Shawan, the Seglawi influence of Moniet El Nefous would be the elephant in the room...too huge to overlook! Courage, kindness, exotic quality, good breeding animal, not terribly flamboyant nor charismatic-but that would be unnecessary in such a mating because the individual in front of you would be so good looking...He would quietly own whatever venue he was in.
Isn't it amazing that so inbred a pedigree if only to Nazeer...that instead the Moniet El Nefous/coloration and characteristics were what came to the for....Amazing!
Tomos, will catch you tomorrow....Looking forward to running those pedigrees as there are some major favorites in them.
Treasure, Unless Malawi suffered brain damage...by the time she grows up, she will be incredibly angelic...the only thing that could deter that is not allowing her out to stretch her legs regularly. Otherwise she will be a typical equine teeny bopper...heart stopping and full of beans, but with maturity there will be an unimaginable uniqueness about her. The reason I am so certain of her ultimate temperament-never mind beauty-is that she has multiples of Bright Shadow on both sides of the pedigree. It would be a shock if she were anything but sweet, kind and loving. Trust me, you will be able to breed her anyway your heart desires with an outstanding result. I personally would be on the look out for a very Seglawi stallion for her in the future.
Stella,
What fun! Am so glad but your girls have really great pedigrees that tell the story the minute you look at them. I love the versatility and scope they offer, now matter what you do with them. Would love to see the pictures up close!
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angel2002
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 1:17:01 PM
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Hi Egbert,
Have just read this thread with great interest and must say you are an amazing person to have so much 'arabian' knowledge. Saying that I am now going to be very cheeky and ask if you could look at the pedigree's of my two girls -
Safi Amira - Bur Zehri x Somrah
PAS Sinderella - Psyches Image R x Safi Amira
Safi Amira (Princess) is due to foal in April to Mostafa - Crusader x Mumtaz Begum, do you have any thoughts on what my new foal might be like?
Both mares are in my signature, Safi Amira it the liver chestnut and PAS Sinderella (Angel) is the bright chestnut with the white star.
Thank you ever so much for your time, I can appreciate how busy and popular you are.
Mandy
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Fee
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Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 10:42:47 PM
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Thank you yet again Egbert for sharing you expertise with us.
You never fail to amaze |
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stella
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 09:59:20 AM
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Hi Egbert,
Hopefully, here is a larger picture of Ellie:
and here is Billy:
Thanks again Egbert - your knowledge is quite amazing. How you are able to pinpoint personalities and temperaments is way beyond me - but many thanks for imparting your knowledge. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 12:31:16 PM
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Angel, You are up tomorrow...Looks as though you have some great beauties!
Fee, Thank you! Your horses are always a delight!
Stella, They are all that I expected and more. One look at their eyes and you can see they are dearly loved! Very very lovely girls. Thank you so much for posting their pictures so they are more easily seen. Truly a treat!
Mandy!
Wow! Right off the bat there is something tremendously unusual that I don't see over here that often-Faberge, sire of Cacharel, must be an extraordinarily beautiful and phenomenal moving horse! What a pedigree...Sire line to Mesaoud via Crystal Magician and on through Sotamm, a son of Selma by the beautiful bay son of Azrek, Ahmar. That combined with the illustrious, legendary, extraordinary mare, Farosa, winner of the Princess Muna Saddle of Honor (I actually watched her awarded the saddle at Ascot the year she won!) and you have a stallion of extraordinary beauty, motion and a desire to please. Would love to see him in the flesh sometime! Alas, as dominant as the bay gene is through Farosa, it did not override the chestnut gene coming through the dam line of Farah's Fantasy. That chestnut can be traced to both sides of the pedigree through Nureddin. Automatically that means great power, ground shaking movement, A PRESENCE! Mitigating that strength are phenomenal gray lines to Skowronek via Naziri, multiples of Naseem and even Rangoon! The icing is that the dam line traces to Silver Fire in multiples as Stargard is doubled in the pedigree. So what do we know of Cacharel...? Fun mare, a Hamdani Simri who has the potential to breed some of the world's most gorgeous, companion horses that will be superb breeding animals as well. This mare is a rare jewel who I would be breeding to Ghazal Al Shaqab offspring, any number of straight Egyptians plus top of the line Crabbet related horses and of course, anything with Carmargue. Fabulous mare.
Augusta is a fascinating mare to me because she was bred by Mr. and Mrs. Theobold whom I had the pleasure of visiting over a decade ago with Mrs. Bowring. As a group the horses were each unique...They were totally different from anything one saw of Crabbet related horses but they didn't look to me like the Courthouse horses either. They were, instead, a reflection of the brilliance that I associate with the Theobolds. Not only do they breed a horse of great quality, beauty, athletic ability, but they breed a horse of extreme intelligence...or if not...one certainly has the feeling when looking at them that there is a human behind those eyes that is in a horse's hide. In the case of Augusta, it is the Courthouse stallion Sanfoin who is stamping the look... along with Ahmar. If she ever has a stunning colt, which she should, that is the stallion you want to breed to your Cacharel! Augusta is a Kuhailan Rodania via the Naziri daughter, Risira (another of the Bowring/Murray influence)...A beautiful mover, I'd be looking for a top notch Seglawi line stallion to breed her to who can provide that son who would be perfect for Cacharel! Augusta is probably not quite as sweetly endearing as Cacharel but she is every bit as loyal and loves you dearly...something you will learn at some point when you least expect it-if not already.
Alize Bint Azeme is an amazing mare. Sire line to the Ali Pasha Sherif stallion, Mahruss, a Dahman Najib via the gorgeous, nearly ethereal Istfahan, a Kuhailan Krush via the Naziri daughter Dafinetta. Kuhailan Krush's just spell QUALITY...over and over...Typical example, Padron's Psyche...Alized is bred by Jean Kirch who didn't breed many horses but those she created were stunning. Alize is a typical product with her dam line tracing to the remarkably beautiful Azeme Bint Gleam (I think I may have looked into purchasing Alize at one point then a family crisis put that sort of thing on delay for several years. I remember calling Jean and asking if she didn't have something available...) perhaps more renowned as the dam of the incomparable Aboud. This line tracing in dam line via the Naziri daughter, Shamnar out of possibly one of the most incredibly successful Rodania line mares, Razina (dam of not just Shamnar, but Riffal, Nurschida, RADI, and another incomparable, Raktha! Kindly, loving, oh so endearing...this line is extraordinarily sensitive, jealous and easily hurt in the psychological sense. It is very important to play fair with this line because they REMEMBER!
Wow, Mandy! If a person wanted a powerhouse of outstanding dams, all they would have to do is look to the example you have set here. What a phenomenal group of mares! Am green with envy!
PS-HAPPY VALENTINES DAY FOLKS!
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Tail Female Line....?
She looks very angelic so maybe she will simply morph into her cherubic looks as she grows!! She looks pretty nigh perfect and has the most gorgeous head and limbs. But she also knows her own mind 