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Mike
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 8:15:27 PM
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I agree with Caroline, its definately not Shakhs(Morafic X Shiaa) but the more I look at the picture, the more the hindquarters and tail-set remind me of Kaisoon(Nazeer X Bint Kateefa), so it might just be his half brother Farag(Morafic X Bint Kateefa) photographed at Babolna or later in Germany.
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BobandEna
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:05:52 PM
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It's confession time for me,
When I found this photo I just didn't believe the heading that came with it, so I put it on here in the hope someone could tell ME.
This is the heading
Estashan Ibn Estopa 1989(Ibn Estopa - Estasha)008
Here are two photos of Estashan Ibn Estopa
What do you all think?? Also is it Estasan or Estashan
I also forgot that my son gets married this Saturday, ENA IS NOT PLEASED so we leave for the UK tomorrow. If I am still in one piece I should see you all at Malvern.
JUST IN ONE PIECE BOB |
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:08:31 PM
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Mike
You could be right there, look at page 434 Asil Arabians Vol II. Though knowing Bob it "ain't gonna" be that easy! (Cate, it doesn't look like Morafic to me either)
Caroline
PS Mike - out of curiosity where do you think Shakhs got his build from? I remember being quite surprised the first time I saw him! |
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Jingo
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:11:58 PM
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Safe journey Bob - we look forward to seeing you at Malvern in one piece!!!!
Re the photos of Estashan - they are two different horses - just look at the jaw line, nostrils etc. |
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:44:16 PM
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Bob
Its uncanny how we keep posting at the same time - spooookeee!
Ummm...I really don't think that this is Estasan Ibn Estopa. I saw him a number of times and he didn't look like the horse in your photograph at all. Where did you find the pic and what does the '008' mean? It may give us a clue if we know where you found it. (It's not off Webshots is it?) I've quickly gone through my albums and found two of Estasan, first one taken in 1992 and the second in 1994 for comparison.
In fact, I would stick my neck out and say that I doubt if the horse is of this family.......have to confess that it still looks like an Egyptian mare to me.
Have a safe journey over Bob and we'll look forward to seeing you at Malvern (though hopefully not in 'bits and pieces' - another old record for you!)
Caroline
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Anfi
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:45:50 PM
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Bob, you're a CHEAT
Hmm, regarding the spelling, the Om El Arab website spells his name without the h, and having bred him, I guess they should know.
Whether its's the same horse or not... my judgement is not very good seeing as I've been on a wild goose chase (or rather wild arab chase). so I'll just be quiet
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C.J.
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 9:51:23 PM
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Bob
Just read your message again but properly this time. The horse I posted is ESTASAN IBN ESTOPA foaled 1984 (Ibn Estopa x Bint Estawa)and I thought it was him in the bottom headshot (not sure about the top one though)
Still confused
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Anfi
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BobandEna
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 10:49:24 PM
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I have got to go NOW, to find a carrier bag to put my clothes in, Bad NEWS is Ena is not talking to me now.
Good news is I will have a quiet flight to the UK.
Enaaaaaaaaaaa Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee donttttttttttttttttt pullllllllllllll theeeeeeeeeeeeee pluggggggggggggggg
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BobandEna
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 11:28:04 PM
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Just put my laptop in the stables, Ena as gone to bed.
One thing for sure we have two horses
No 1 is
1st Middle East International Open Championships, Amman (JOR)
ESTASAN IBN ESTOPA (Ibn Estopa / Bint Estawa)
No 2 is
International Show, Wels (A)
ESTASHAN IBN ESTOPA (Ibn Estopa / Estasha)
International Jun. Champion Stallion
Is my horse one of these? if not WHO IS IT.?????????
PS, now I'm locked out and will have to sleep with the horses
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Anfi
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 01:12:05 AM
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Hi Bob,
I hope you have a nice trip to England and that your son and his bride have a perfect wedding
I also hope Ena will forgive you
Hugs and all the best wishes for your family from Denmark
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Cate
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 01:56:24 AM
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| Is the mystery photo a painting? I have seen this somewhere before and it is really bugging me! The more I look at it the more I think there is something odd...obviously I should be in my bed at this time.... |
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barb
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 07:34:41 AM
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Estashan Ibn Estopa, 1989 is here in France with Shah-Arabians.com. If you look at his page you will see the photograph of him that Bob used.
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barb
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 08:11:31 AM
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Meant to say that Shah-Arabians owns the wonderful Abakan, Hiro and One of my favourites of all time the beautiful INASS and of course the lovely Buhara, mother of my own mare by Peleng. A web site worth looking at!
Regards again Barb |
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Cate
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 08:59:47 AM
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Well done Barb!
I am sure I have been on this website and everytime I looked at this photo I knew I had seen it somewhere...just so familiar....but thought it was in a book as a painting. |
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Cate
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 09:05:46 AM
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| I have been on their website as I remember the lovely Aasa Shah Abed ....no wonder the photo was familiar!! Lovely horses. |
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georgiauk
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 09:09:18 AM
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| It's Estashan Ibn Estopa (am I too late!!!) Arabian Horse World, Feb 2003 |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 09:17:02 AM
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| WELL, it got us all stumped this time, not just me! I have seen this horse many tiimes and I would never have said he looked egyptian, yet in the picture I thought he did. shows we can all be miles out, I think what threw me is up to now most of the horses in the quiz have been of the older types, so assumed this one was to. |
   
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Mike
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 1:22:27 PM
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Caroline, regarding Shakhs build, I think that it was the result of the combinaton of Kheir and Mashaan on his dam's side along with that of Nazeer's sire Mansour. Kheir being by Mansour's maternal half brother Ibn Samhan.
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C.J.
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 3:37:42 PM
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Well, you could knock me over with a feather! As Lynda said, this got us all stumped this time so many thanks to Barb, Cate and Lynn for sorting it out for us. Just goes to show that this topic is achieving what Bob originally set out to do – exchanging information on the Arabian with the emphasis on fun – and it’s worked too because here we are on page 22 of this marvellous thread and its still going strong – great!
Mike, most interested to read your thoughts on Shakhs, and so everyone knows what we are talking about I’m going to post a photo of him, taken in 1979 (by Liz Crossley) below, no prizes for guessing who the two photographers are! As you can see, he was quite 'substantial' in build (Shakhs not Pete I mean!)
Here’s another picture to puzzle over though I think you'll all guess who it is pretty quickly......Who is it and....what can you tell me about this horse?
Bob, hope the champagne corks are flying and we are all looking forward to hearing about the wedding as soon as you are sober .
All the best
Caroline
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LYNDILOU
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 4:11:00 PM
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| No it couldnt be her, as the horse has tooth bumps and she was older when she came to the UK, is it Ali kamsin? I cant tell if its a mare or stallion, nothing new there then! lovely horse who ever it is! |
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barb
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 6:01:45 PM
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I would say that you are correct Lindilou with Pearlie Mae, definitely looks like a Halsdon Horse looking at the bits of building and the golden globe bit of the outdoor arena, lets hear it for Lindylou!
Regards Barb, dont forget the bit on Shahpoor please Caroline!! |
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Cate
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 7:18:33 PM
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| I am probably wrong, but I think Ali Khamsin (Carmargue x Liana El Shaklan) and taken at Halsdon, breeder being Alun Prothero. |
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C.J.
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Posted - 24 Jul 2005 : 5:57:55 PM
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THREE CHEERS FOR LYNDILOU!
SHF PEARLIE MAE IS THE RIGHT ANSWER!
This unusual photograph was taken at Halsdon Stud in 1996, the same year she won the Senior Female Championship at the Arab Show. Pearlie had been turned out in the sand arena where she thoroughly enjoyed herself, suddenly she stopped and then trotted over to say ‘hello’ to her adoring audience when I managed to take this snap – it rather reminds me of the ‘Horse of Selene’ (no ears!). Pearlie was foaled in 1990 and is by SHF Southern Whiz out of Citona and bred by Gabrielle McCafferty.
Now, time for another photo but knowing you lot you’ll guess it in next to no time so………who is this? (And how about the handler?)
Caroline
Barb, I haven’t forgotten about Shahpoor but am running around like the proverbial at the moment as I’ve got someone coming to stay before going up to Malvern on Wednesday so it may have to wait till next week but……I will do it!
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