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LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 May 2005 : 7:59:16 PM
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Can someone now name me the 12 members of council? sorry but I got a bit confused a while back, I was told Mr Arnold resigned, now I am told he changed his mind and asked to be reinstated I think we should be looking to members of council who can take an adult view of their position when the going gets tough |
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dogaroo
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
143 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 8:16:40 PM
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Members of council now are Mrs Annette Hedley. Mrs Julie Bridges. Mrs Caroline Sussex. Mr Nick Arnold. Mrs J. Lowe Hon. Finn Guinness. Mrs Diana Whittome. Mrs Joan Woodward. Mr Roy Ratcliffe Mrs Pat Grant. Mrs Caroline Reeves. Mrs Nola Stephens. |
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BobandEna
Gold Member
England
828 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 8:22:33 PM
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Hi Marilyn,
First I should thank you and all those who were able to attend the AGM, for taking the time to report it back to us. A BIG THANK 'U".
Secondly to congratulate those who were elected to council, I'm sure one or two are up to IT,
Marilyn, my grouse is the fact that this was on the AGENDA, it's on every Agenda that I have ever seen, always at the top.
AGENDA 1. To read the Notice convening the meeting
2. To receive apologies for absence
It doesn’t look good when Agenda Items are missed out dose it?
One thing that gives me concern is this.
Do any of you know that some in council chastised Nick Arnold, because he was a member of this and other forums?
Now we have on council, our very own Caroline (Wizzy) also The President of the AHS among our family, are they going to be told to STOP? (I hope not)
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Nomad
New Member
Namibia
15 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 9:29:00 PM
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I dont know where the AHS will go now but being over here I cant say i'm worried. Just seems a shame that so many people are following their own agendas?
Glad to see Nick Arnold stood by his principles and withdrew his resignation.
Wayne, no one is having a go at you but stating in open forum that Judges are unprofessional enough to judge the handler not the horse is a sure way to get noticed...good luck!
Nassa.
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Sadika
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3520 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 9:38:31 PM
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I hope that Dragon, Wizzy and Dogaroo will resume/continue to post and that they will recognise that ALiners are concerned enough to want to help in anyway they can. |
Marilyn
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Mike
Platinum Member
Eire
1872 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 9:47:14 PM
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I believe it is the policy of the AHS that its officials should not participate in on-line discussions in forums such as this or in chat-rooms.Presumably in case their personal views and opinions are assumed to be the position of the AHS.
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Sadika
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Roseanne
Moderator
United Kingdom
6708 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 10:18:11 PM
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Nassa, The clue to how you feel about all this is in your post. My own feeling is that many of the members of the society feel that the AHS is one of those long-established British organisations, built on bedrock of honesty, trust and integrity where a person's word was their bond; you could believe what they said and rely on their intention to do the right thing for the greater good of the subject (the Arab and its owner). Many of the senior members attending (from great distances) the AGM were clearly of that 'old school' and were obviously members at the same time that my mother established her Arabian breeding programme and was a member way back in the 60s. That is why people don't want any fragmentation of the society but want a return to a council and committee where there is no in-fighting, much less character assassination, and where every member knows that their membership is valued; that their money is being considerately and wisely spent; that the voted members entrusted to run the society are doing to with the very best of intentions and to the best of their ability, regardless of personality differences. It is a sad indictment if any single competitor feels they cannot offer their opinion honestly without a feeling that they may be penalised at some future time. I would earnestly hope that would never happen. I can understand that it may be hard for you to empathise with this crisis from so far away, but I think most people at that AGM have the stable future of the society they wish to preserve at heart.
Mike and Marilyn, I think that is something we should ask to be changed. If in the year 2005, experts and elders of the Arab world are forbidden to offer their expertise, knowledge and views to those wanting it, we are still in the stone age!!! |
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Jingo
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3632 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 10:21:04 PM
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My sincere apologies for not posting sooner. Tried this afternoon but lost a long reply!!!
Yesterday afternoon was VERY depressing - I hope and pray the "new council" will do what is necessary to encourage and support members, sort out the AHS finances, do something positive about welfare (especially as they seem to have over £8,000 in the kitty and have only spent £471 this year!!!!) No-one from Welfare attended the meeting!!! In fact as has been reported quite a few Council Members did not manage to "find time" to attend the most important meeting of the year - perhaps of the past few years!!! Were they afraid or embarassed? So it was down to Mrs Hedley, Caroline Sussex and Mrs Bridges to answer most of the question - or rather not answer most of the questions!!! Surely they should have known what members were going to ask of them and they should have been "armed" with answers.
Thank you Marilyn and Roseanne your notes and computer work better than mine!!!
I know that most members of Council work very hard, sadly some have resigned, some talk a lot but I wonder whether they do a lot!!! Hope I am wrong. Of the new recruits, I know Nola Stephens is a strong fair lady, Roy Ratcliffe seems a "terrier" (meant in the nicest possible way Roy) Wizzy has lots of energy and good ideas - she looks good for a "horse" grannie as well!!!!
I know Council were embarrased that the Minutes were posted on the "net" - SO THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOW DO THEY THINK THEIR MEMBERS FELT WHEN THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES WERE SEEN TO BEHAVE LIKE SPOILT CHILDREN RATHER THAN PURSUING THE INTERESTS OF THE MEMBERSHIP THAT HAD ELECTED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I sincerely hope this Council will be "HONEST AND OPEN" with it's membership. We DO NOT WANT to be given information on a "NEED TO KNOW" basis as was reported in the Mins of Feb by ONE of the Council Members. Remember we the Membership elected you to Council and we the Membership can remove you. We are entrusting you with the welfare of our beautiful horses and our Society, DO NOT LET US DOWN.
I hope others who are more knowledgable on the finance/budget/business plan details will post and give their opinions.
Finally Wayne - don't even consider that the judges on council would be petty enough to judge you rather than the horse you were showing - thank you for having the courage to speak your mind. Glad to hear you have a filly foal
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Jude www.auchmillanarabians.org.uk photos:Anthony Reynolds,Sweet,Deano,Real Time Imaging |
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Micky
Silver Member
308 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 10:27:06 PM
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"Hi there, I can not say much on the matter as most council members are also judges and I don`t want to come down the line."
"I did not ask questions Lynda as they had been asked already also the fact of the matter is there were four judges sat up there. It is hard to build a good name for myself in this industry as you know - to have it taken away just like that."
"2. Of course if a judge does not like who is on the end of a horse this would more then certenly go against being a winner or champ come on this is the real world. This is what happens - (SHOWIG)."
I think your words speak for themselves. Be optimistic, give them a chance before you rap them. That's FAIR! |
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Roseanne
Moderator
United Kingdom
6708 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 10:29:06 PM
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Jude, it looks as though those people who know about finance, budget and business plan details may feel they can't post if the AHS has ordered no one to subscribe to forums such as this. Personally I feel this is possibly the best way for promotion and education about any facet of the Arabian horse and our society.
With everything ship shape and bristol fashion (!!!excuse nautical term!!!) there should be nothing for any equestrian society to hide, barring employee details and investment information etc, and if there is nothing to hide, there should be nothing to stop anyone with experience, or a view, posting that on this site or any other - particularly those people who have been voted onto council because of their added talents and added value... |
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Jingo
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3632 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 11:09:48 PM
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Hi Roseanne, well it certainly didn't look as if anyone at the meeting knew much about finance etc. I was amazed they hadn't considered that there "may be" a large invoice due for blood typing!!! Afterall as one member said - surely as you had received the monies from members wanting the blood typing, you should have allowed for it in the accounts!!! Perhaps the same can be said about the lump sums they have recieved over the years for the Life Memberships - seems these were paid into the pot and SPENT!! Perhaps that is the reason they now consider each member costs the society £70. |
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Vygoda
Platinum Member
United Arab Emirates
1627 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 08:41:55 AM
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I accept 100% that Wayne's situation was extremely difficult and if I were a young man just starting my career with Arabian horses, I also would have kept my mouth shut as Wayne did. At least he went to the AGM, good on you Wayne !!!
After all these years with Arabian horses, those first few years as a breeder were tough; nasty replies were the norm if I made any comment or gave an opinion but because I'm 'old guard' now and know better too, no one can tell me not to express them either verbally or in writing.
And yes, as Wayne is so new, that for his future he has to quite rightly consider that he will be penalised in the show ring by standing up and speaking in front of persons that might be judging him. The idea of some (please note the word some, no offence meant) UK judges being unbiased at a UK show is wishful thinking.
Jane
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wizzy
Silver Member
United Kingdom
424 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 08:58:02 AM
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Hi,
I would just like to say that I came away from the AGM heartened by the fact that the existing members of council who were there seemed very open to new ideas and suggestions.
I'm hoping that now we can all put our energies together and help pull the AHS forward, learn from any mistakes that may have been made in the past and be able to concentrate on promoting and preserving our beloved Arabian horses.
I can be contacted on creeves@avarabians.com
Thank you to all those who voted for me.
Onwards and upwards
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Joshua
New Member
Eire
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Posted - 09 May 2005 : 10:26:06 AM
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This is my first post so not sure if have the protocol right (please bear with me) but glad to hear the AHS may be moving forward and more open!
I dont think that they should penalise council members for speaking on public forums but was council members supporting/advising/promoting rival publications or groups addressed at the AGM?
I think the more Arabian publications the better but I wouldn't be able to trust a council that was involved in promoting others that could harm the Society in the long term. It smacks of favouritism and I hoped we could now move away from the 'old boy' network.
I think that made sense?
Joshua
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Roseanne
Moderator
United Kingdom
6708 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 10:27:22 AM
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Hear Hear Wizzy. When is the first meeting?
And is that the big Russian bay 3-year-old in your fourth photo?? |
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S.Green
Bronze Member
England
84 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 12:41:00 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Vygoda
I accept 100% that Wayne's situation was extremely difficult and if I were a young man just starting my career with Arabian horses, I also would have kept my mouth shut as Wayne did. At least he went to the AGM, good on you Wayne !!!
And yes, as Wayne is so new, that for his future he has to quite rightly consider that he will be penalised in the show ring by standing up and speaking in front of persons that might be judging him. The idea of some (please note the word some, no offence meant) UK judges being unbiased at a UK show is wishful thinking.
My point exactly! Politics,politics,politics, where is the honesty,fairness and unbiased considered acessment in that!!!
I was unable to attend the AGM as I was working the night before,on a 12 hour shift nursing the sick and elderly.
Jane
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Vygoda
Platinum Member
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 09 May 2005 : 1:07:43 PM
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My point exactly! Politics,politics,politics, where is the honesty,fairness and unbiased considered acessment in that!!!
I was unable to attend the AGM as I was working the night before,on a 12 hour shift nursing the sick and elderly.
Jane
Please everyone, I did NOT post the last 2 paragraphs as it appears S. Green and I don't think S Green's name is Jane!
I know what you are trying to say though.
Jane
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angel2002
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
2502 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 1:31:10 PM
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I know that the AHS has some huge problems to deal with at the moment but what was the point of us voting for people to represent us on council? If I understand rightly from the above posts, even those who were not in the top 3 have got on anyway?
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S.Green
Bronze Member
England
84 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 1:33:45 PM
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sorry about that Jane, but forgot to remove your name when replying to your post, but thankyou for understanding my point.
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LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 2:08:03 PM
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Welcome Joshua, I think you will find this site very interesting enlightening even What you stated has been on a LOT of minds, also and I am glad you had the nerve to speak yours, if some of us voice our fears we are immediatly accused of being predudiced against those council members, which is just not so. It is a known fact that certain council members in the past have feathered their own nests by being there, not all members have had the AHS as their main concern and top priority forgive us then when we see members of council not behaving in a manner which seems for the good of the society! I will crawl back to my bolt hole now |
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JACK
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 09 May 2005 : 3:36:44 PM
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Welcome Joshua.
Lynda are you going to Wales and West? |
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SueL
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
133 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 4:23:31 PM
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Having attended the AGM I am left with mixed feelings and I hope that all that was asked for by the members will in fact BE DONE. Not many answers were directly given, so it is a matter of wait and see.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE AHS IS FINANCE, THE AHS IS VERY, VERY NEAR TO NOT HAVING ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE CHARITIES COMMISSION. I hope the new council will get to grips with this and will be able to show the members at next years AGM that this is what they have done.
I also hope when minutes of meetings are available they are the original ones and Not THE NEED TO KNOW SORT, IF EVERYONE WOULD ONLY TREAT EACH OTHER AS THEY WOULD WISH TO BE TREATED, THEY WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS IN FUTURE.
I wish all on council the best of luck, you are all working for the good of the Arabian Horse.
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BobandEna
Gold Member
England
828 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 5:27:24 PM
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Wayne, Your a breath of FRESH air, you represent the future of not only the AHS but the breed, both need, more of your age group, and never be ashamed of telling the truth. All the Best
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car
New Member
England
26 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 5:56:40 PM
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Hello to all A/Liners. I want to thank all the members of the AHS who voted me on to council to represent them, but especially A/Liners Remember YOU are the AHS. Also remember the people voted on to council have been put there to look after YOUR interests. My 'e'mail address can be found in the AHS magazine. Now sadly I will sign off, and not contribute to any web site, other than the AHS site, (but before I do I have promised Billy Gore I will have a look at his new filly). Roy (terrier) Ratcliffe |
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