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Roseanne
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 09:42:07 AM
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It's also worth remembering that there has been a hormone based broad-leaf week killer on the market over the past two - three years that was taken off the market because it was going through horses and cattle and still being so strong in the poo that the manure was causing vegetables to wither when mixed into soil. Depending on where you get your hay/haylage Vera, it could be it was used for last year's hay. The chemical (Dow - you can read about it on their website) was only withdrawn last year but of course the animals are eating the hay this winter!
If you could try some 'safe' hay - perhaps organic so you know it hasn't had this stuff on) for a few days (without any other things at the same time) you could perhaps identify that as the cause. Hope you get it sorted Vera, apart from being a hassle it must be uncomfortable for Dennis or he wouldn't be itching. My Andalusian was very itchy but wintertime was no problem at all. It must be something affecting his bloodstream. |
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Vera
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 9:20:05 PM
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Sarah - I have Pm'd you.
Ambassador - He has been wormed with Equest and Eqvalan 4 weeks apart, both effective against thread worms.
Roseanne - will speak to my hay supplier at the weekend. His hay is soaked for 10 to 12 hours and is also thoroughly rinsed.
I tried to call the vet today but unfortunalty he was is surgery, I have left a message and hopefully he will get back to me tomorrow.
I don't know if this is significant or not but for a fully clipped horse only being in a medium weight rug (turnout and stable) he feels toasty warm.
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Vera
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 11:01:35 AM
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Totally pulling my hair out now.
Lunch time I am going to buy some Benzyl Benzoate and Calamine lotion.
Have phoned the vet again this morning as I want to speak to him about allergy testing, skin scraping and antihistamines.
Have left a message for the homeopathic vet to phone me.
Changed his nylon rug for a cotton one which has made no difference.
Have bathed him from head to tail, and rinsed rinsed rinsed which has made no difference.
He has rubbed so hard on the dividing wall that there is now a massive crack in the CONCRETE BRICKS!!! I have had to brace the wall on the other side.
He is fine in himself and doesn't look uncomfortable or distressed in any way. His usual laid back self. Its me that's stressing my head off about it.
If only they could talk. |
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rosie
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 11:22:03 AM
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Hope you get him sorted Vera. you must be frantic with worry.
Good luck.
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Vera
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 1:16:49 PM
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Had a long chat with the vet. He said that although he would do them if I wanted he felt that allergy testing at this point was pointless as they very rarely had conclusive results. He also felt that a skin scraping at this stage was also not necessary. Before we try antihistamines he wants me to bath Dennis in an antibacterial shampoo like Malaseb or Hexocil and apply a cream called Eurax to his bottom.
As a last resort me said the steroid route.
Then half an hour after talking to the vet, Mark the homeopathic vet phoned me and we had a lovely long chat. You're right Jacky, he's a very nice man. He confirmed that I have done everything I possibly could and its time to try something else. He is going to send me some tablets, which have to be inserted into his bottom lip. I suggested putting him on Echinacea (sp?) and he's agreed that it would help to boost his immunity.
I'm about to go and buy the shampoo, BB, Calamine and Echinacea. He's send me the tablets today so should get thim in a day or two.
So watch this space......... |
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emma
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 1:26:19 PM
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| Think you can buy eurax over the counter may be cheaper than via the vet just check its the same strength etc. Its good though we have it in our bathroom cabinet, handy on bites! |
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Sarah_Jane
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 1:39:45 PM
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| I always use Eurax on Mozzy bites its the best and stops the itching straight away. The only downside is it really stinks!!! |
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Emma B
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 1:45:12 PM
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| vera have pm'd you. if you need any more help please let me know thinking of your boy emx. |
     
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Vera
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 2:42:31 PM
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Blimey what a polava!! Chemist has never heard of those Shampoo's so have arranged that I will pick sone up at the vets. They offered to post it but I want it asap!
Have also bought the Eurax cream, BB and Calamine. I won't be trying them all at once people's - just so that you know I'm not daft!!! Well maybe I am but that's another story....
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Roseanne
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 2:51:13 PM
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Please try some other hay if all else fails Vera. Even if it's been soaked, this hormone (aminopyralid) is a nasty thing - something even the American agrochemical giants have had to admit is unacceptable! Wish you were closer, I could supply you with something pure to feed him just to see.
Best of luck, you must be frantic! |
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Vera
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 3:24:20 PM
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| Going to see my hay man this weekend Roseanne! |
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suyents
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 : 10:51:49 AM
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hi Vera, the fact that dennis feels hot IS significant, in answer to your question. i would suggest a homeopathic chat or a talk with hilton herbs as i am guessing the problem is a systemic one and not a topical one. you will need something to get his circulation moving better and herbs and/or minerals/vits that "cool" the blood....good luck.
me.....and Big Hug too, by the way!! |
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Vera
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Posted - 25 Jan 2009 : 11:35:41 AM
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Roseanne, hay man said that he didn't fertilise last year because of the price of fertiliser.
BH Lady!!! Big Hugs right back atch yah!! I have spoken to a homeopathic vet and he is sending me some tablets. Dennis is also now being fed nettles and echinacea. I wouldn't say he is hot to the touch, he's always been warm blooded. Last year I sold the two heavy weight Rambo's I had because he never wore them due to sweating when he did!
I bathed him in the Malaseb yesterday, bather him all over not just his bottom. Then covered his bottom in the Eurax (yurk!!!). HE rolled twice when I put him in his stable, which I would expect from having a bath. I don't think he rubbed last night, his tail didn't look bog brushed but I slathered on so much cream its a bit hard to tell!
We will see.... |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 25 Jan 2009 : 1:32:20 PM
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Vera aminopyralid's a broad leaved weed killer, not a fertiliser, so if your hay/haylage doesn't have weeds in, the grass was most likely treated with weed killer, and the one everyone was using was the Dow products which included one called Frontier (I'll check the name of the other...).
Really hope you get this sorted; it must be awful for you as well as poor Dennis! |
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suyents
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 1:46:37 PM
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You could also do with something to support the lymphatic system like cleavers and dandelion. i know they're out of season....Hilton herbs....Hawthorn is also very good for circulation. i didn't think you meant hot to touch, don't worry....just hot to trot!!!  |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 2:26:48 PM
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Vera ,
I had a total nightmare with my 2 mares , my foal & my 3 dogs when i kept my horses at a nearby farm ,all 3 ponies scratched only one of my dogs did & so did i!
I had the vet out a couple of times & he could see nothing , i was constantly at the doctors & my doctor told me to go & see a vet!
My dermatologist said i had parasite phobia ?
I was scratching constanly some of my hair fell out but it wasn`t until my fingernais turned white & were flaking away that i self diagnosed myself by looking on medical websites & realised it was systematic candida !
I had the vet culture both the pony & dogs hair & it tested possitive for Dermaphytes , i bought Malaseb for the dogs & both Mycophyt PML & Imavorol for my ponies , i had to soak bridles , rugs boots ect in Vircons to kill the fungal spores!
The ponies actually had no sign of ringworm but they were more scurfy along their crest back & quarters infact i had a job clipping some parts of them where the hair was affected as it was so claggy!
Thay also used to stamp their feet alot & that was because of the fungal condition ! |
     
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Vera
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 9:11:30 PM
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Well he's no better but thank fully no worse either.
I bathed him again today (in the rain!) with the Malaseb.
He started the Homeopathic tablets today so fingers crossed they will have an effect soon.
I have to say that I am toying with the idea of hot oiling him. He's now had so many baths that his coat feels dry. He's not scurfy or anything but his coat no longer feels sleek to the touch. |
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Joto
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 9:12:10 PM
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| very interesting. And its been such a wet year and if the horse is warm eg rugged then I'm sure fungas will proloferate. I know of people using Head &Shoulders shampoo on their itchy arabs with scurfy heels or manes or tails.I wonder if this product is mildly anti fungal so thats why it works? ea tree oil is anti fungal, probably a tea tree shampoo would be a good idea. |
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Vera
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 9:33:30 PM
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Been there done that (see OP) - teatree shampoo not the Head & Shoulders!!
Malaseb is anti-bacterial and anti-fungal.
Lady at work suggested T-Gel (she is non horsey) as it stops itchy scalps in people. |
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Jamana
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 9:52:47 PM
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There is a form of ringworm that can cause itchness without the charateristic 'rings'. One of our TB yearlings had this this year. She rubbed her mane and tail and neck and side she had quite thick scurf in her mane. After trying everything else,from sweet itch stuff, to Virkon (which we usually use on anything skin related!  ), bathing, not bathing, you name it  , then vet eventually came up with some special ringworm wash and cream, and that cured her.
I think it was for cattle not Horses. I can't remember the name of it but will ask OH when he is home. |
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sabinelenny
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 8:26:43 PM
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Hi Vera!!!
Is it catching??? Over the internet???? Mazie started rubbing her beautiful mane out and now has bald patches. I tried to get Benzyl Benzoate from the chemist who told me he could not get hold of any
They had preparations in the saddlery at £25, in the chemist normal price £2.50.
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Jamana
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 8:50:51 PM
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well, I've asked OH, and I have decided that I prob should listen to him when he is talking! 
Apparently the ringworm stuff was called mycofyte but was useless. What actually helped her (though also didn't completely sort her out) was just Carr Day Martin Kill Itch.But this is benzo based so not a new suggestion.
So I am sorry that I wasn't any use, but I hope you find a solution soon. (though Virkon may be worth a try, and someone else i know uses Canesten powder to stop itches) |
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