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angelarab
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 Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 3:54:51 PM
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Love my haybar, many reasons, natural graze position, easy to fill no risk of doing a cat cradle over night. But will he keep the hay in NO now likes to shuffle it out into bed (straw) and use a blender to mix it all around, any tips on keeping it in the bar, or should i just go back to nets...P.s i am a weirdo i like filling nets
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BabsR
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 4:09:06 PM
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Yep.......its nets every time for me. We have those trawler nets...huge, last 24 hours and SAFE only 40mm holes!! Horses can only pull small nibbles at a time. No dropped pile of hay on the floor to waste and dig into bedding. Holes small enough so that even the newborn foal cant get a hoof or leg trapped if they climb or rear into the net when cavorting round the box
Yes...would imagine horses will scatter hay out of the Haybarn feeder...didn`t you know that the best and sweetest hay/haylage is ALWAYS at the bottom
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 4:24:42 PM
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Snap - nets with weeeny holes are bestest !!
But you can make a net top for the haybar - floppy enough to collapse with the reducing hay, but then if he's one to paw he may get a leg in it?
We have net tops to our feeders in the wood but they're slightly higher than chest so no risk of hanging in it!! |
    
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nn
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 4:47:04 PM
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Our drum horse colts both eat the hay net!
We bought them haybars but they climbed into them and pulled them off the wall.
Now they have there hay on the floor and have taken to peeing on it!!!
I give up!!!!!!!!!!! |
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carolinef
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 5:50:05 PM
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| I hang my nets inside the hay bar (from a tie ring at the back corner of the bar) - hay can be low to the ground, and legs won't get caught in nets |
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Otto
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 6:33:15 PM
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Totally agree with you carolinef - tie the net down into the haybar.
Funny this topic has just come up because I installed a haybar last week - so far so good, no hay pulled out (yet - but give him time to work it out  ). If he starts making a mess then a net will be tied inside, I will also do this if he needs to slow down his eating speed. I definitely won't go back to hanging haynets up - I see far too many horses in my line of work with very asymmetric upper neck range of movement - which unfortunately seems to be directly related to haynets.
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 6:46:51 PM
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what a good idea to put the haynet in the hay bar  Boysie can't have haynets as he insists on putting hbis feet in them  so I got him a haybar as if he has hay on the floor he drags it all through his bed
So now I fill the hay bar..... and he STILL puts sime though his bed all be it less then if it was just on the floor I suppose |
   
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loosefur
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BabsR
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 8:55:58 PM
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Good idea..........but expensive haybar, just to have haynet lower to ground. And still having to fill a net!! Our haynets are made from the same as that used for deep sea nets......very strong, and with the 40mm holes, and huge capacity, can be hung lower, without the fear of legs getting tangled. They are not cheap..............but last forever, never had a problem with horses trying to eat them. A strong Board across the corner, would ensure no chance of getting caught up in a net, but think the trawler nets would be very difficult to entrap a leg, as said before, even a newborn!!!
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Red Rum
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 9:01:19 PM
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| Hi I use a haybar with the hay net tied over the top and then the loose hay falls in the haybay for them to eat when the net is empty. Work well. |
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loosefur
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 9:09:02 PM
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Originally posted by BabsRGood idea..........but expensive haybar, just to have haynet lower to ground. And still having to fill a net!! Our haynets are made from the same as that used for deep sea nets......very strong, and with the 40mm holes, and huge capacity, can be hung lower, without the fear of legs getting tangled. They are not cheap..............but last forever, never had a problem with horses trying to eat them. A strong Board across the corner, would ensure no chance of getting caught up in a net, but think the trawler nets would be very difficult to entrap a leg, as said before, even a newborn!!! Babs www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
Yes - have to admit since moving to my new yard I haven't even put my haybars up - just using the trawler nets instead and hanging them low. |
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Vera
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 9:48:54 PM
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I feed wet hay in the haybar and also a haynet hung over the haybar, to make the hay last a bit longer.
Dennis used to empty it but I persisted and he got bored of that game after a few weeks.
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Nic
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 10:02:15 PM
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Interesting what you say re nets Otto and problems that you see at work. Am considering trying to feed off floor to allow natural grazing position. But think I will experience the same prob as everyone else re blending it with the bedding!
once saw someone using black bins cut down - anyone tried that? |
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angelarab
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 10:51:59 AM
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[right]Originally posted by nn
Our drum horse colts both eat the hay net!
We bought them haybars but they climbed into them and pulled them off the wall.
Sorry big laugh from me about the above i imagine a cute curled up like a cat colt in the haybar 
It's a weird one with Baz, he doesn't nose it out all the time, depends on the hay, some days he eats a tunnel down to the bottom and is nice and neat, at the mo it's everywhere! Last night i did tie net into bar, think i will use this method for a while, and get some trawler nets so i can hang nets in different places.
I was reading an article that teeth hooks can be caused by eating from nets? any thoughts on that? |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 10:54:58 AM
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I have taken all mine out .
It becomes a game for them taking it out and spreading it
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BabsR
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 12:05:27 PM
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Teeth Hooks???...new one on me, shows one can never stop learning when it comes to horses!!
I would think they might `possibly` be caused by a horse that is stabled 80/90%, 24/7 and always haynet fed. Totally anti this practise, which more and more these days, appears to be happening...Shame, some horses, never getting access to the freedom of a green paddock. just a stable or a manage!!  |
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Otto
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 2:15:31 PM
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My equine dentist swears blind that haynets cause teeth hooks - he was the first one to introduce me to haybars (and he also suggested tying the net in the bottom too!).
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BabsR
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 2:35:08 PM
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??????....Haynets cause hook teeth.......If your dentist is sure of this and introduced you to hay bars...Fine!! BUT THEN SAYS TIE A HAYNET IN THE BOTTOM....is that not contadictory 
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Otto
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 2:49:02 PM
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Ah ha! I see what you mean that did sound a bit silly - perhaps I should have explained.... The teeth hooks occur when you hang the hay net up above or near nose level because the horse usually takes a mouthful of hay from the SIDE of the mouth and pulls it out of the net downwards and sideways. The hooks occur apparently due to this sideways/asymmetric movement. Hope that makes more sense
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BabsR
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 3:06:25 PM
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Yes Otto, does make more sense now. However....trawler nets CAN be hung lower, very small holes mean horses can only nibble, more natural and closely emulates grazing.....Saves wastage, lasts longer and does not involve the extra expense of a hay bar, which only seems to have the advantage of stopping a horse getting his leg trapped in the net (with standard sized holes) that are placed lower
Methinks, will stay with the trawler nets!! Just one thing, remember to thread the excess tie up loop, back through the haynet
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angelarab
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 3:48:33 PM
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| sounds like the book i was reading was good for the tooth hook thing, It was in the nutrition bible book, very good reading, got it out of the Library |
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Lynn Tait
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Posted - 13 Feb 2009 : 7:15:49 PM
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| I have 4 haybars and 14 homemade versions and i had this problem with a couple of mine,i put on a couple of bits of wood like the antispill bars on feed mangers i.e one on the left and right with a small enough space not to get their heads stuck,worked a treat. |
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CAHERRIDGE
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Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 09:14:49 AM
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| If it would help anyone I make hay nets to order mainly from recycled bale string. I can make them with any size holes you require and believe me they last and last as each grid is hand tied. Local tack shops sell them and their customers ask for the size nets and the grids they want and I make them. If you would like a net made for you just give me a ring. The prices start at £2.00 for a very small net for a Sec.A or sheep, etc., to £6.00 for a horse size net with very small holes. Just give me a ring 01978 820444 or mob 07967803157 of E-mail paintedhorsesuk@aol.com |
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Maramoo
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Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 09:32:58 AM
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| I use haybars for all the horses on our yard. Yes some do pull their haylage out, but I am lucky in that these are the greedy ones who then eat most of it from off the floor. I have a real phobia of haynets, whatever the type, as I have seen too many accidents with them. I agree that trawler type nets are safer than standard haynets and I am sure are fine for unshod horses, but in my experience it is often the shoe that gets caught up in a net when the horse is rolling and it becomes stuck between the shoe and the foot-this would happen with any haynet regardless of the size of the holes. |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 11:48:08 AM
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Dont be fooled by using trawler nets, that is all I have on the yard apart from Boysie who has a haybar - BECAUSE he got his feet in the trawler nets
Before he was shod it wan't a problem as his feet couldn't get in the holes...but as soon as he was shod hed have his shoe caught in the net, no matter HOW high I put it
There are quite a few studies to show that the tooth wear is better when not feeding from above, my dentist also prefers haybars
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 1:06:27 PM
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I've always fed my filly at low level because I was aware about the issues with hay nets causing neck muscle problems and teeth hooks and the positive effects of a lowered head for relaxation and fluid drainage, however, it does depend how much hay you are feeding.
My filly is on ad lib hay day and night but if she had to be restricted to a certain amount of hay I think I might reconsider how I feed her as obviously she might eat her hay too quickly and be left with nothing to eat for several hours which not only could leave her bored but more seriously could give rise to stomach ulcers due to the acidity of her constantly produced saliva just being swallowed. You really can't win can you!
Of course you also have to think about their natural reflex to chew so its a mine field really!
Madam's current stable has a big stone trough in it so her hay goes in there at the moment but I've got an enormous yellow bendy plastic trug bucket which I think I might fix in the corner of the new stable she is moving to soon.
She is already successfully using a heavier rigid big plastic bowl for her hay in the field. The only down side to this is, when it really pours with rain, water does begin to collect in the bottom. I could make some holes there for drainage I suppose but it isn't a major problem and it seems a shame to spoil it as I may want to use it for water in the summer.
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Edited by - Info Sponge on 14 Feb 2009 1:16:23 PM |
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