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firstlady
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Wales
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 Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 10:29:20 AM
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Welcome to Alines
you've definately come to the right forum for friendliness help and advice
I feel for both you and your horse,and I'm sure that you'll both come right in time,you are both young and that is always an advantage
your mare sounds like she is in a lot of pain and that's why she in her own way she had been shouting at you by her anti social behavoir
to address her back problem I would certainly seek advise of a qualified chiropractor - pm me if you'd like details of one that's qualified as both human and equine he does I understand travel and hold clinics
I would as others have wiseley suggested get her teeth checked out - has she wolf teeth either starting or in the past and incorrectly removed ?
and importantly is her foot balance and break over point correct - a lot of foot problems can show up in the back or higher in the limbs ie hip shoulder you haven't said if she is shod or unshod and how she reacts to the farrier when he's doing her feet.
Diet is she on a lot of ceral based feed ie mixes I would certainly recomend a high fibre/oil diet again pm me for details of an excellent feed
once you have sorted out her physical problems which I'm sure you will it's going to take time for her 'mental' issues to heal and probably a little while before you will be ready for a new saddle and when you are ready would suggest you get in touch with specialzed saddles - Judith s and her oh who posts on arabian lines and will help you out on that score
I'd like to wish you all the best for the future and please don't give up
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 11:39:38 AM
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Hi Nadlew2!
Are you anywhere near a facility with an equine swimming pool? Preferably salt water? That can do wonders not only for muscle issues but also for skin that can be overly sensitive. 10 sessions and you might just have a new horse. Pauline has probably had some experience with such therapy and could advise you further. |
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Theo
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England
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 3:34:29 PM
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Hi Nadlew2,
Finally got logged onto the forum (hi all!)
Have experienced similar symptoms with one of our mares.
Has your vet considered 'visceral' pain that is referred to the back? Have they taken a rectal scan to the ovaries and kidneys?
Our mare concerned was found to have an old corpus luteum in her ovary, causing her not to cycle properly; hence causing pain and discomfort. The vet gave prostaglandin inj and inorder to maintain her comfort, we had the option to put her on regumate or put her in foal. We opted for the second option. That did the trick!
Perdonal hunch is that there's problem in ovaries (cystic?), rare to have kidney stones on mares but still could be poss.?
Sorry to throw you 'off track'!
Keep us posted!
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TC
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Scotland
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 4:51:33 PM
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Welcome Nadlew2.First Id like to say well done for all your patience and gentle handling of your mare.I have a 13 year old gelding.Ive owned him for 4 months and had to stop riding him 5 weeks ago as he was shortening his stride and was trotting lame when ridden.We cant find anything wrong so far but Im waiting for our new saddle to be made for him and am hoping that this will work for us.The saddlers I have are based in the scottish borders and find that most arabs are a nightmare to fit saddles to.They really seem to know their stuff and spent 2 hours at our yard trying on at least a dozen saddles and then measuring him foe his own designer one.Hopefully we will get the saddle in the next few weeks and Im praying that it will make a difference for Bo and for me.Good Luck to you and your mare |
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nerissanic
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 8:03:41 PM
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| hello again everyone and thanks again for all your replies and ideas. i have been in touch with pauline but she is in germany at the moment but has said she will get in touch again when home. now for some replies to your questions/ideas - leahs' teeth have only recently been done so they shouldn't be a problem and i am sure my vet said she has all her adult teeth. nothing about wolf teeth though i don't think so i will have to ask him. as leah is a very good doer and at the moment is disgustingly fat her feed is one handful hoof kind with naf general vit and min supplement, feel good joint supplement, sea salt, garlic and equimins biotin and one small carrot once a day plus ad lib hay if she is in in but grass if out - we have very good grazing where i am so i strip-graze her, and as she is doing no work at all she doesn't get too much of that! saddle sizes - she can't wear a saddle longer than 16" as she really is that short-backed. her ovaries etc are fine - they have been checked twice. the hotspots are just that and my vet hasn't been able to tell me exactly what the problem is but that it is the sacroiliac joint which showed up as a problem on the bone scan. as far as i am aware there are no swimming pools in my area but again i will ask my vet, also about what possible physio leah might still be able to do although when i suggested that a few weeks ago he wasn't too keen on her having any sort of manipulation. i will also ask about acupuncture. and on sunday just gone norman hyett came to see leah again and did some bowen on her - this time she did allow him to do some work and didn't try to fight it all the time. one thing i did notice when he put his hand on her girth and belly area on the right side apart from trying to bite him and squealing she contracted her chest muscles really hard - norman couldn't say why they were doing this so does anyone have any ideas or experience/knowledge of something like this? and as for my insurance covering most costs - so far they have been amazing but they only pay for a problem area for a year or up to £5000; my year ends on 15 dec. any other treatments leah will need i will have to pay for and as long as they don't cost hundreds of pounds each time i could just about manage. is anyone on alines from the bristol/weston-super-mare north somerset area who can recommend physio/accupuncture etc? it seems you are all miles away! |
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Pauline
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England
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precious
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England
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 07:49:10 AM
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| Wuold like to know how your doing too? Hopefully good news |
     
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BeckyBoodle
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Australia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 4:30:34 PM
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Regarding your query about the chest muscles contracting when touching the girth abdomen - it is probably to do with the interconnections of muscles or fascia.
For example your deep pectorals are under the girth area and they link with the superficial pectorals on the chest. you could get the reaction from either discomfort in the deep pectorals, with the superficial ones flinching in support or it could be the issue is in the chest or another area and the deep pectorals have come into play to take the stress of that area, and are either tight as a result, or are compromised by the touch, so that the 'pain' reaction knocks back in. Does that make any sense?
If only they could talk. It really is a matter of working through the most obvious connections and working back. For example, I hurt my right shoulder from carrying car seats/babies etc. After months of osteo the pain went to left mid back, then right lower back and actually probably originates with a knee problem from snowboarding years back which I reignited after falling off a horse. your body does some amazing things to compensate and if you don't catch it, is quite a maze to unravel.
Not sure this helps, but hope it sheds a bit of light.
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Kizzys Mum
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England
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Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 7:13:09 PM
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Your mare sounds like maine very very much so. I was panicking earlier this week that she would have to be PTS she had had checks all done and was still sore in the chest, around the girth and the sacrylic(sp?) areas, however I have had a physio out to her twice and already there is a significant difference in her mannerisms (no more biting and nice and happy with herself) she is sound and should in time come back into work.
I think I would certainly get a fully accredited physiotherapist to come and see her, my first call out was £50 so not a major amount just to make sure.
My heart goes out to you for your troubles good luck |
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