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nerissanic
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 Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 10:31:06 PM
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hello, i'm a new member and i'm wondering if anyone can give me some advice. i have a beautiful 5 1/2 yr old chestnut arab mare. for the last 10 months she has been having vet treatment for sacroilliac joint and back problems. she has had x-rays and bone scans which have shown no kissing spines but 'hotspots' in her pelvis area in the sacroilliac region. while on painkillers and anti-inflammatory jabs she has seemed ok to ride but was still stiff throughout on the left rein, at one point she was actually lame. my vet has now given me the choice of finding my girl a new home - unridden or having her put to sleep as he doesn't think any further treatment will work. she can't be bred from because of her problems - even if she could be bred from i don't think she would be a good mum and her temperament isn't one i would want to pass on to a foal and she is absolutely not companion material as she can be quick with her teeth and heels, which i think is more down to her being in pain. she will try to snap if i groom her too hard/in the wrong place and is very sore again over her back/loins/pelvic area.does anyone have any experience with anything like this? i'm really upset as i bought her just 1 3/4 yrs ago to last me to the end of my riding days and now it looks like hers will be over before they ever began.she is a very sensitive mare who i think has had a lot of bad things happen to her before i bought her. if i am honest i bought her because she was cheap not because i fell in love at first sight and i did wonder what problems she would have.she was very mistrustful at first but with a lot of love and gentle handling she has come to trust me and i can now touch her all over, although at the moment i have to be really careful as she is hyper-sensitive to being touched almost anywhere. her having a snap at me is obviously her telling me it hurts.i would be really grateful for any information or tips/hints on what i might still be able to do. she has also has bowen/mctimmoney/reiki and is on various supplements for bones/joints and moodiness! thanks everyone and i'm looking forward to a few replies! xxx
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Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 10:46:21 PM
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Hello and welcome to the forum  .
The nosy amongst us (that includes me although I don't breed!) would like to know your mares breeding.....
She is only rising six and so may not be fully mature yet. THe first thing I would recommend is to get a good equine physio to look at her. I don't mean a massage therapist like bowen etc. What area are you in? If you are near me I could recommend an excellent one.
I have had no end of problems with my horse (grey in sig pics) but THE BEST thing in the world was regular physio and turning him out for a year to let Mother Nature do her stuff. He also spent some time at a rehab yard and the work they did with him in a very short time was nothing short of miraculous. When a horse is in pain they often don't use themselves properly, even once the pain has gone they often have to be taught how to move again. Again I would be very happy to recommend them. They take horses from all over the country and Europe.
Just remembered, its the rehab lady riding him in my sig pics. This was the 5th time he's been ridden in 18 months - 2 years!! |
    
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hannah28
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Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 11:12:12 PM
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Welcome to the forum nadlew2
Has your vet said whether your mare has an injury in the sacroiliac joint or is it a ligament injury? I'm surprised that your vet has suggested you carry on riding whilst she was having her treatments..normal treatment for any sacroiliac area injuries consist of getting the inflammation under control and then field turnout, some vets may also recommend daily range of motion exercises, moving the leg as far forward and as far back as comfort allows.
There was a lovely warmblood at my old yard that had a stress fracture of his sacroiliac joint, and as part of his rehab the vet gave him Sarapin injections to help with the pain and keep the inflammation to a minimum.
He had about 8 months off work, walked in-hand pretty much every day, lots of exercises and stretching, and once he was sound again went back to full-time ridden work, including jumping.
I think most horses with sacroiliac area injuries, even fractures, can return to full use if given enough time to heal. Its all about patience and gradual exercise, you wont be able to rush anything with her...but I think you may be able to get her right eventually, you do need a sympathetic vet though.
Best of luck with her, please dont give up, these things are sent to try us!
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SarahA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 11:38:23 PM
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| Welcome to al. So sorry about your girl, you sound thoroughly miserable and fed up, and i dont blame you. I cant offer you any advice, sorry i dont have any experiences with this. But i do know several good, very well thought of back specialists in my area. but i would agree not to give up just yet. Time is a great healer. Time, training her to reuse her muscles correctly and a sympathetic vet might be all she needs. i do know that my girl frequently pops her pelvis out of line, to much messing about in the field i am told and quite common as once the muscles are weakened it can happen much easier, i can tell when she is uncomfortable and call the back guy out, and then she is as good as new. Good luck with everything, if your in my area. (yorks) i can get you their numbers. |
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Jessica
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Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 11:45:04 PM
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Hello & welcome to the forum.
I'm sorry, but I do not have any advice for you, but you are in good hands with the other members!!
Hope you get things right over time
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BeckyBoodle
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 06:59:29 AM
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Would echo the other sentiments that a physio might really do you well, in particular for the stretching and strengthening exercises they recommend - gentle flat and raised pole work. I am also a bit surprised about the recommendation to keep riding, exercise yes, but probably riding no.
Then depending on their focus and preferences they might hand on to other specialisms which can keep the healing going. For example, shiatsu is my specialism, and I know a physio who works by going in initially and then hands off to shiatsu, which is particularly effective at keeping the muscles and ligament healing process going, or she might recommend regular visits by an osteo to keep the bone structure in check. It will depend on what she thinks is the underlying cause.
Best of luck, there are many amazing stories of great recoveries. I wish yours to be one of them.
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emma
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 07:53:47 AM
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As Hannah has already asked, what exactly is the vets diagnosis as to what the injury is? How long has it been going on and in what order have you had the treatments you list and what were the responses to them?
As a McTimoney practitioner myself i would be interested to hear what yours said. Depending on the injury i would recommend a McTimoney, physio or combination of the 2.
Swimming and spa treatments again can be very useful but again dependant on what the injury is.
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Sue J
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 08:01:48 AM
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Sorry to hear about your mare's problems.
I have a gelding, who is 16 now. Several years ago he was diagnosed with a problem of the sacroilliac joint area but this was never fully confirmed. Although he never came 100% sound, he did return to being hacked out up until recently.
When he first had the problem, like your mare he seemed to be very sore, particularly in the area of his loins, where he was very tight. I tried all sorts of things at the time and saw different Vet's and other professionals but the one thing I found that really helped him was a course of acupuncture. He had 3 treatments (from memory at weekly intervals) but the Vet that treated him also incorporated a German homeopathic remedy by way of the acupuncture needle. I can't just remember the name of this now but may be able to find out. After each treatment he improved and after the last one was so much better. Obviously the underlying problems were still there but he was much more comfortable in himself and from then on I was able to start working on his fitness in order to build up his supporting muscles.
Unfortunately he has never returned to being fully sound but the acupuncture definitely helped improve his quality of life at the time. It may be worth considering for your mare to get over the initial soreness. |
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pat ww
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 08:12:05 AM
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I am not surprised by a vet recommending to carry on riding when an injury needs to heal. One near me told teenage girls it was Ok to start 'riding' their TB who had just had box rest for a tendon injury, the first time out he needed to be picked up in a horse box as he couldn't even walk back.
A problem area needs to heal, not have added stresses put on it by the weight of a rider and the demands being made of them they may not do voluntarily as apinwould slow them down.
You should maybe get advice elsewhere, as you have done by posting on this forum. Many Arabs are slow maturing, many are not even backed till 5 or later, especially if she has had a bad start. She may not be a bad mother, the pain she has now could be hiding an otherwise sweet horse. |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 08:26:14 AM
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Very sorry to hear about your mare. Agree with what everyone says and, as Vera said too, the horse will compensate in their movement, sometimes even long after the pain has gone, with an expectation of it hurting and sometimes just because their muscles have been trained the wrong way during the time they've been out of action.
Best of luck with her. Ditto above, get a second opinion (definitely!) and time is a great healer. |
    
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precious
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 09:40:50 AM
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welcome to AL.
Sorry to hear of your problems.
I def think like the others you need to get a physio to see her. I have had a vet pysio to one i rescued who was crippled lame due to muscle problems. He had weekly visits of my physio who was excellent and now he has just started to be ridden (there is loads of back people out there but you need someone trained at the vet colleges really like i did as other people didnt pick it up). Prob totally different to ur mare but give it a go as it sounds like your stuck. What area are you in?
Good luck x
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Pauline
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 09:47:57 AM
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Welcome to AL .
As others have said It takes time for an Arab to mature.
Your mare sounds very much like mine. What was she like when you first got her.You say that she has been having treatment for the last 10 months and that you have owned her for the last 1 3/4 years.
As Vera has asked where are you based and someone near you maybe able to recommend a Chiropractor / Physio.
Nichola I have PMed you I maybe able to help.
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leezee26
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 10:51:13 AM
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| Hi and welcome! I am sorry you're going through this with your little mare. When I rescued my little Arab mare nearly 15 yrs ago she was suffering a very similar situation, but had also been brutally beaten. Back then I didnt have the wonderful people around me that I have now such as my Bowen lady. Cassi had many prob's and her back was always a bugbear but we did sort it but it took many years. Again, depending where you are there may be a specialist in your area that can work with her. There are so many holistic therapies that can help, please keep us posted as to how she is getting on, and dont forget if you need help, we are here! Leighx |
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parrot
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 7:34:30 PM
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| sorry to put a negative in ,i have had horses for over 50yrs,90% of horses have some form of back problem,hence it is a big business,i have had many horses treated with great results,but i have come across many not very good people,whoever does your mares back make sure you follow up references,and find out how much experience they have,someone who does not know what they are doing can cause more harm than good,please check credentials,what part of the country are you in maybe someone on here can put you in touch with someone tried and tested |
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nn
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 8:11:02 PM
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Hi
I am off to the vets tomorrow to pick up a clients trakehner.
He has just had both his hind suspensorys cut. They were causing him the pain that was showing up as arthritic changes in his back and sacroiliac joint.The vets thought that the pain from the suspensorys caused the arthritic changes in the sacroiliac joint and back and now that the ligaments have been cut the pain should stop!
We thought that he might have kissing spine as he started to rear when he was put on his left rein.Fine if he had no presure on him but as soon as you started to do lateral work he became killer horse!
Did your vet check for suspensory damage?
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nerissanic
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 12:07:50 AM
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| hello everyone - THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR REPLIES. i'll try to answer everyones questions and give you our history - it is quite a long story - sorry - so here goes! i live near weston-super-mare, nr bristol. my mares registered name is zajanka; her stable name is leah. she is on the pedigree all breeds online data base. i have been told she is quite well bred, which doesn't really matter to me as i was never intending to breed from her. i haven't had a horse of my own since i was 21 - i'm now 43(!) but it was always my dream to have a chestnut arab mare, either purebred or partbred. my last pony was a chestnut welsh/arab mare who was a bit of a handful and was also very sensitive and i wanted something along the same lines as her. i bought leah april 2007, just before she turned 4. my plan was to turn her away for 6 months and let her grow up and for us to get to know one another while i saved for a saddle. i soon noticed she was very wary of what i was going to do and would rather keep an eye on me than munch on her haynet. she was also very tetchy and disliked being touched generally and would snap or squeal and raise her leg to threaten to kick and she was very defensive towards other horses - ears flat back and teeth bared but she wouldn't actually attack. it took a good 6 months for her to realise that i was no threat and that even if she did snap i wouldn't hit her but i would raise my voice - she hates being told off! i think she has been handled quite roughly, maybe even hit around when younger but i have absolutely no proof of that and it is just an idea based on her reactions to me. she would also try to snap when being led, whichever side and that is something she has only just now stopped unless she wants some attention! in august i was diagnosed with breast cancer and had 3 operations altogether, then had radiotherapy. i then decided i would have to send leah to be broken in properly as i felt i wouldn't be able to do it on my own and a friend, who was going to help me train her, decided that as a mother of 3 she didn't want to risk getting hurt by leah. leah went away to a lady recommended to me as being firm but kind. i explained everything to her and told her that she was very moody and would snap and threaten to kick. while i had my radiotherapy leah went to 'school'. while away the lady said she thought leah might have a problem with her back as she was stiff on the right and she would buck at times, but it might be that she just needed to be worked through it so her training carried on. also she needed a crupper as her saddle kept slipping forward. i had her back after 6 weeks as i only wanted the basics done and i then wanted to start schooling and hacking her out gently. i will never forget what she was like when i got her back - subdued, sparkless and so angry but too scared to do anything about it. when i went to touch her she screamed at me - i have never heard a horse scream like it and i hope i never will again.she had lost all her trust in me and didn't want to know me at all or have me touch her or be near her. i was devastated. i had her back a week, rode twice and called my vet out- they are bushy equine and my vet is a sports equine vet.( i also had her saddle checked again and this time i was told that because she is short-backed and compact and as i am an older lady who has had children and whose hips and bottom have got larger because of this my bum wouldn't fit on a saddle that would fit her and i should sell her on. at 5'4" and size 10 i thought that was a bit rich so i tried a couple of shorter saddles - 15" and i would be able to ride in one). leah had her first x-rays which showed her spine was ok - no kissing spines and the bones nicely spaced out. she had pain-killing implants inbetween the spinal bones in the loin area, box rest for 4 days then allowed out for half a day then all day. then i was to start lunging again, after three weeks my vet came to see how she was and i was to start riding her. throughout her treatment leah was learning to trust me again - i think because she had no pain through the implants and even dared to try to bite me again!! it sounds crazy but i was overjoyed that she dared to do that as it meant she felt she could express herself again and i thought then she is coming back to me. unfortunately leah then knocked her right hind leg and although she wasn't lame it was swollen and hot so i couldn't ride for two weeks until it was better by which time the painkillers had worn off and we were back to square one, only now when i rode she would occasionally nap and rear aswell. and she was still stiff and had a short choppy stride;when asked to trot or lengthen her stride she would put her ears back, her head would come up and she would hollow her back. i had a bowen man come out to see leah and he basically told me to do the same as my vet - big circles and long-reining to try to get leah to lower her head and stretch her back muscles and build them up. i did ask my vet first if it was ok for norman to see her and he said fine.anyway,leah then went on to have bones scans which showed the 'hotspots' in her sacroilliac area, the right side being the worst. she had a steroid anti-inflammatory jab in that area, a couple of days box rest then she was allowed out again. i then had to start lunginging her walk, trot in big circles and long-rein. when i went to lunge her the second time after her treatment she was lame, so my vet came out again. i thought she was lame on the right hind but he said it was actually the left, so leah then had an anti-inflammatory jab into the left sacroilliac joint. no more lameness, but stiff on the left now and on the lunge or free-lunginging leah would try to keep her weight off her left hind if going from canter into trot. at walk and trot she looks fine. i then borrowed a treeless saddle - again with the go ahead from my vet - from friends of mine so i could ride. well, it slipped forwards and to the right but i was told that because leah was so barrel-shaped all saddles would be pushed forwards. i did end up buying a treeless saddle as my friends needed their saddle back but still had problems - saddle slipped forwards and sideways; leah was having her elbows knocked by the girth and would try to bite herself where the straps of the saddle were on her sides/under her belly. it seemed also that when the girth was done up really tight that she would have a pressure point that would still be very sensitive when touched the next day. so i tried to pad everything out with sheepskin which seemed to work. then about 5 weeks ago leah bucked me off - i had absolutely no chance of staying on as again the saddle had slipped forwards and gone sodeways. i then started riding bareback - after checking with my vet it was ok. she did seem to go better but i wasn't able to do the amount of work i wanted to and it is just too dangerous on the roads.also, she was starting to try to bite me when i tried to get on - from a mounting block, and tried once to buck me off but thankfully didn't manage it but then started to nap and do little rears when out riding - with other horses and either at the back or near the back of the ride. i then tried a different treeless saddle, which didn't slip forwards but did go sideways. by then leah would just see a saddle and her ears would be flat back and she would try to bite while being saddled and wouldn't stand still to be mounted.i rode out the one sunday with a friend and we ended up turning round and going back as the saddle kept slipping to the right while riding - i got off and led her back as there was no point riding. i rode the next day in one of our fields to see if there was any reason why the saddle should slip and because i wanted my vet to come and see her again because she was so stiff on her left side. she would bend to the right and was starting to lower her head and i could feel her back rounding. on the left however it was a different story - she would bite and chew really hard on the bit and i could not get her to bend to the left at all. well, the saddle slipped again and i had to let myself fall off as the saddle was just too far over for me to stay on. i phoned my vet to ask him to come to see her again as there was obviously something not right. when he came he and checked her back he told me that it would seem that leahs back problems seem to be starting up again and that he didn't think further treatment would be any use. i could try to find her an unridden home or have her put to sleep. and so now i am on here trying to see what other peoples experiences have been and wondering if there is a way out for leah. so far my insurance have been fantastic and paid an awful lot of money for her treatments as i could never have paid for them myself. and that is my main problem now - if money was no option i would go ahead and try this, that and the other. but i am on a very limited budget and just can't afford to spend hundreds of pounds without the hope of her getting better. i would still be very grateful if anyone knows of a good physio or otherwise in my area so i could contact them and see what they think. well, it's now really late and i have probably bored you all stiff! i've got work tomorrow so i will finish for now but look forward to hearing from you again. thanks again to all of you, nicki(nadlew2) and leah xxx |
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Pauline
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precious
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 09:01:42 AM
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Hi nicki,
Please dont give up, sadley im not in your area so my physio that really helped rebel isnt by you :(
Give pauline a ring she has given me some very helpful tips and methods for helping rebel who wont bend on his left due to muscle damage (but now improving)
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emma
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 09:34:31 AM
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Hi Nikki
Rather seems that you have had 2 problems, a saddle problem and then her back problem which also gets aggrevated by the saddle too.
Firstly, with regards to her back what exactly has the vet said is causing the hot spots? A degenerative problem, trauma to the area, general inflammation, a problem in the joint space etc etc? Has your vet given you the option of referring to a specialist? Rossdales and Greenwood Ellis in Newmarket would have world experts in this area and i can highly recommend both practices. Insurance companies will even pay for the cost of travel there.
Secondly the saddle. Lots of arabs are barrel shaped and compact and yes can be tricky to fit with a saddle. However a saddle that fits is not one that slides forward or sideways, it should stay put. With regards to length of saddle, i wish my bum would fit in a 15", a saddle that is too short will also cause harm as will one that is too long. Most arabs i know wear 17, 17.5, 18" its just a case of finding a saddle that has a bit more experience in that area. There have been plenty of threads on here previously discussing peoples choices of saddles that you could check out to get ideas. My personal experience is that ideal saddles fit very well as do fylde, however thats taliking about show saddles which may not suit your needs, although i do also have an old ideal event saddle that fits the broad compact boy very well. I have noticed that brand new saddles nowadays are alot bulkier and more bulbous underneath as opposed to the older models where panels are flatter which in my mind would suit a barrel/ flat back more.
Before tackling the saddle though i really would want to know what the problem is in the back. Saying she has hot spots is not enough of a reason to being put to sleep in my mind. You need to know the real reason for the cause of the hot spots before you can make such a decision. If i go to the GP with a problem, even though they may fancy trying to deal with it as its a bit different to normal day to day stuff they dont they would refer me to a neurologist, orthopeadic surgeon etc and let them deal with it, having heard your experiences i would think that now is the time for Leah to get to a specialist practice and get some answers once and for all.
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Pixie
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 10:01:21 AM
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| Hi nadlew2 i read your story.... i can't offer any advice but wish you luck. you have tried and tried with this littel girl and take my hat off to you. Both you and she deserve some luck. |
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leezee26
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 11:27:52 AM
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| I would also add a 3rd problem, teeth.. If she is one sided, the teeth can be causing a lot of the problems too, and things wont improve until they are sorted. Do ring Pauline, and see where she can lead you. I wish you were closer as I would be happy to see to her teeth for you. Good luck. Leighx |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 1:19:52 PM
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Hi Nicki
Have PM'd you.
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garnet
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 6:12:26 PM
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More than 20 years ago when we were very green my OH and I bought our first horse and had her vetted. Within days of having her she began to exhibit various problems including bucking when ridden. One of her problems was diagnosed as being a sacroiliac injury (we now think she had fallen out hunting, been rested for 6 months and then sold to people green enough to have the vendor's vet do the vetting). To make a long story short - many vets and solicitor later we had out of court settlement from Veterinary Defence Society. On the terms of the settlement we were not able to keep her and she was fostered via Ada Cole Stables. After a period of rest she went on to hack, jump, do novice hunter trials and fun rides etc. She was pts at the age of 28, having been in 2 foster homes during 20 years. She was also a chestnut mare (I wanted an Aldaniti lookalike) and I am fairly sure she had some Suffolk Punch in her - had she not been injured she would have been up to my OH's weight. She could also get a face on and I think had had a fairly rough start in life, but she was loved by us and her subsequent fosterers. It was absolutely heartbreaking for us - I was 35 and had wanted a horse for the whole of my life - but had she not come to us she could well have ended up going through sales until the meat man had her, instead of which she had a lovely life.
What I am working round to saying is - be advised by your vet and McTimoney; be prepared to rest her from work and spend the time socialising and loving her; and DON'T GIVE UP HOPE! I wish you the best of luck - keep us posted.
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Claire
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 9:40:55 PM
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I am so sorry to hear about your horse- but don't give up on her as I am sure she will reward your kindness and is very happy to be in a home where she is loved.
I would thoroughly recommend Gavin Scofield as he is very gentle and uses cranio-sacral techniques. He has done wonders for my horse who has had problems with his back in the past. I think he is based in the midlands but he makes trips to suffolk so may go to other parts of the country too.
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Pauline
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 10:03:53 PM
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I have in the past used Gary Schofield who told me after two treatments there was nothing wrong with my mare and she would be fine, only to have an equine chiropractor (A Vet) have to treat my her for 6 treatments, she was wrong from poll to dock.After the treatments by Jose she is a totally different mare.Gary never did solve the problem whereas Jose did.
I have seen Jose treat a near crippled horse and change it to a sound happy one. As a vet he does have some advantages in the fact that if the horse needs some small sedation he can give it legally and safely.
Jose is highly skilled not just as a vet,a Chiropractor but he is also an acupuncturist and where needs be combines all 3 to treat the horse.
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azraa
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 08:07:48 AM
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hi
first i am sorry to hear of your troubles its been tough,i cant offer advice as i know nothing about your problems,but i would echo what everyone says about a physo, and arabs are late to mature, also you may have a totally differant mare when her problems are solved as the pain would be awful for her, the peoples knowledge on here is brilliant good luck
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