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Wyllow
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  12:55:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Wyllow's Homepage Bookmark this topic Add Wyllow to your friends list Send Wyllow a Private Message
I will watch what I say here....but I have good cause to ask if anyone knows what the ACUTE( short term) symptoms would be of an overdose of bute? ( not the long term gastric problems we all associate wih it in some )

None of my animals are affected.....just wondering if a smaller pony got the dose intended for a large heavy horse....lets say by accident and just not go there with the alternative.....IF there would be noticeable symptoms such as sudden intestinal disturbance, weakness and the animal appearing "out of it" or drugged?

I am not about to say why I but I will say that I have a very urgent need to to and wonder if anyone knows.

I'd really like to hear that this is not a likelihood.....and if so, would anyone know what might cause the combination of the above symptoms?

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Pauline
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  1:02:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit Pauline's Homepage  Click to see Pauline's MSN Messenger address  Send Pauline a Yahoo! Message Bookmark this reply Add Pauline to your friends list Send Pauline a Private Message
Is this a one off or has it happened a number of times.

If you google "Overdose on bute" will find some info.

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Crusaders Angel
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  1:04:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Crusaders Angel to your friends list Send Crusaders Angel a Private Message
Hi Cate

Not sure if this is any help

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HVYyRsuUEc0C&pg=PA532&lpg=PA532&dq=acutte+symptoms+phenylbutazone+overdose&source=web&ots=AHoh9uhkR4&sig=eCZI6xYU9UODj08QfKEDlckRHWc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

I've had a look on the IVIS site (online veterinary info for vets) but nothing for horses. Will have a look on NHS site for you.

Lucy
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Wyllow
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  1:07:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Wyllow's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Wyllow to your friends list Send Wyllow a Private Message
This is a one off involving an animal known to me whose field companion is on bute.....I hope this is not the case.

Thank you ~ will look at the links.....googling so far hadn't helped!

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Pauline
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cate what does the vet say. I would have thought that they could give the pony something


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Wyllow
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  3:51:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit Wyllow's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Wyllow to your friends list Send Wyllow a Private Message
Tests were run, but no one suspected there may have been a switch in feeds ~ so no one was looking for bute. Inconclusive, apparently, but if you are not looking for specific substence , you won't jsut see it.

Just rather worried as the pony is an older one and there are thoughts of having this one PTS as it initially looked like a real nurological issue.....although last night and today the animal seems fine the plans seem to still be in place. There are oter issues here I won't be raising. but I just wondered if anyone had ever heard of ACUTE bute poisoning as opposed to the usual ulcers and things you hear of with long term use.

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ella
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 :  8:50:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ella to your friends list Send ella a Private Message
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1ExS0fjBfTwC&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=phenylbutazone+equine+safety+data&source=web&ots=je0XJ8pGbH&sig=IS9KIixFjOJyw5gw-g2QAst28YA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPA257,M1



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