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Jessica
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 Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:00:27 PM
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Hi. New to this forum so hello to you all.
I have a question.
I rescued a lovely little arab last week. Locked in a stable 24 hours a day, in her own muck. Nothing could be done with the mare at all.
She is extremely underweight and scared. I fell I can help this mare in many ways. i paid nothing for her.
She does have a very strange 'nether region' though.
Her anus is sunken into her bum, causing a shelf like effect, so that when she poops, the poop doesnt just sail out of her bum and hit the floor, some of it gets caught on her lady bits and stays there (I really hope this is making sense)
Apparantly this is reasonably common. Has anybody heard of this before? Any advice? I believe it is called Pneumovagina.
Her spine and ribs are showing, could this all be down to the fact she is very underweight??
I guess what would be really handy is a picture, i'll get one if needs be.
Thanks all
Jessica
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Pauline
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:16:52 PM
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Welcome to Arabian Lines.
It does sound as if some of the cause could be due to the fact she is so under weight.
How old is your little mare and do you know anything about her history.
We will all help you if we can, AL's are a great bunch of people.
Have you got any pictures of your mare.
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Pauline Higgs
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Jessica
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England
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:36:06 PM
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Hi Pauline,
Thanks so much for your swift response.
Her passport is very very sketchy. Her age is unrecorded, though the lady I collected her from said she was 6. I'd say that (looking at her teeth) she was between 6 to 8 years old.
I haven't had chance to take any pictures just yet, but i'll take some tonight and get them posted in a day or 2.
I havent given her any hard feed as yet (had her 6 days) she's been turned out in a grassy paddock (didnt want to overwhelm her system with loads of food) could you suggest a feed that would be good for her or do you think I should leave her at the grass for now??
Thanks in advance
:)
Jessica
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ashabarab
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:36:24 PM
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this is a new one on me!
firstly has your mare been bred?
and what does the vet say? [he will also be able to tell if she has ever given birth] l am thinking maybe something got torn?
you might find that when she puts on some weight things might improve
but please take some photos...l am sure someone will know something
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Jessica
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England
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:38:53 PM
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And I know very little of her history. All i know is that she has spent approx the last 10 weeks at a 'trainers yard' shut away in a stable. She had been written off as a bad job. I know nothing else. Couldnt leave her there though!
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Jessica
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England
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:45:21 PM
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Thanks Ash
I think (looking at her teets) that she has had a foal, but I will ask the vet that too
I called my vets yesterday. She isnt sore, and there is no sign of infection at present.
I want to get some weight on her, and see how things improve (if at all!)
I'll defo take some pictures for you all to see. I'm grateful for any advice/replies!
Thanks again
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Pauline
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:48:37 PM
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I would start to give her some hard feed. speak to Baileys Horse feeds they are very good and helpful.
I have a gelding that was very poor when i bought him and he was bought up on their feeds. he is now a strapping lad.He is an advanced endurance` horse.
Where are you based
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Pauline Higgs
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Eeyore
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:51:08 PM
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Welcome to ALines 
It sounds like your little mare has had a lucky escape!
Good for you taking her on 
If her condition becomes a problem for her i.e. infections maybe she could have a caslix?
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Pauline
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Jessica
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 3:11:45 PM
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Hey Pauline
Her name is Annie.
My vet mentioned a caslix. Surprisingly only around the £40 mark, though would rather not have it done if I can avoid it by her gaining some weight and muscle tone etc. (Though from what I read its a minor op anyway)
I will contact Baileys Feeds Pauline. I wish to do some non competitive rides on my other Arab gelding, Imran. He's 10 yrs old. I have been covering some fair distances on him and though he looks very well, I do think I should be feeding him some feed that will help him out more in the 'energy reserves' department, so I will ask Baileys about him too. Ultimately I would like to do some competitive rides on him, but we'll get there slowly I think!
I am based in Nottinghamshire Pauline, in Haywood Oaks (Blidworth) Where are you based??
Thanks, loving the forum already. You all seem so helpful!
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Pauline
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 3:17:51 PM
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I'm based in Berkshire
Glad you are thinking of doing some endurance you really will enjoy it.
Haywood Oaks holds a big endurance ride in the spring.
Keeps us updated on Annie we will all be interested.
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Jessica
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England
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 3:27:43 PM
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I will keep you updated. I'll get some photos of her posted for you too, then when I post more in a few months hopefully you'll all see a drastic change in her!
Do you take part in the Haywood Oaks ride?? Sounds interesting, I should begin my research on the distances etc!
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Pauline
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Jessica
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 3:42:42 PM
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Thanks for that Pauline, i'll get reading!
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sub
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 4:18:19 PM
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I knew a mare who needed a Caslix - just poor back end conformation!
It only takes a few minutes to do - she had 5 staples along the top part of her vulva.
She was forever getting infections even with washing every day, so the caslix was the final option. |
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Jessica
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 4:41:46 PM
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Thanks Sub. You made it sound even more straight-forward than I thought it was. If the vet suggests I have it done then I'll go for it, whatever is best for her is my duty!
Thanks for your input
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moatside
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 8:17:45 PM
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Hi & welcome!
My old Anglo had a "shelf" between her anus and vulva when I brought her - she was in very poor condition, thin and had been used extensivly as a brood mare - I always made sure she was kept clean and when she gained weight and condition the "shelf" was less noticeable. I was lucky that she did not get infections etc and she lived to a good age - 27 and looked and acted like a 2 year old to the end.
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Lin123
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 9:06:08 PM
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Sorry, I have no advice for you but just wanted to say welcome to AL and a round of applause to you
Wishing you and Annie all happiness.
Linda x
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polly
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 9:11:57 PM
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| Hi and welcome to AL...this sounds like a good prospect for a caslix. Go with the advise of your vet and well done you for taking her on, but take your time with her it will pay dividens...keep us posted. |
   
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Judith S
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 9:14:46 PM
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Jessica
Good luck with the little mare - sounds like she has fallen on her feet coming to you!
Please keep us informed with her progress!
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pat ww
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 9:34:25 PM
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| Very underwieght horses can have this rear end conformation, so I'd like to see how she looks after putting some flesh on and muscling up. It might improve and not need to do anything about it, Caslicks is more commonly used for poor rear ends that are genetic rather than weight related, and for mares that are going to be bred from, as it allows bacteria to enter as the mare can 'suck in' air as well, not often so bad you have the problem with faeces. |
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Jessica
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 08:56:57 AM
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Thanks Moatside for your input and for the welcome!!
I'm sure she'll look like a different horse in good time, so hopefully her 'rear' will fill out too. I'm going to put some pictures on here when I figure out how to do it! Should think i'll have them on for Thursday/Friday.
Thanks, Jess x x
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Pauline
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Jessica
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 09:03:54 AM
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Hello hello & good morning to Lin123, Polly and Judith S too!!
You are all so welcoming, I'm happy to be a member already!
I'll keep all of you updated on her progress, that's for sure. Even though she is very underweight she has a strong will. She'll be a little star soon enough.
Plenty of work to do.
Have lovely days
Jessica x
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avanti
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 09:21:27 AM
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| Hi, well done for rescuing her, I do rescue regularly and agree with Pat ww, very underweight mares have this conformation due to loss of flesh in that area, I would wait until she is in good weight and the problem will probably disappear, Mandy |
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Jessica
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Posted - 03 Sep 2008 : 09:22:54 AM
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And Pat.w.w, thank you for your advice. You'll most defo be seeing her 'before' and 'after' shots.
I'm not planning on breeding her either, so thats a 'plus' side.
Keep you posted
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