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BabsR
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 Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 8:50:24 PM
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Thanks for that Lynda.. Proof that the Anglo Arab is recorded in the main body of GSB and has been since pre. 1826
When AHS set up Vol.1 of the Anglo Arab Stud Book, the criteria for acceptance therin at that time, remains the same today, and should stay that way.
I have bred a super Anglo Arab colt this year who has the looks,size performance bloodlines, temperament and obvious stallion potential. However, I am intending to get him jointly entered in GSB and AHS as I feel that if the AHS do not bother, and force us into accepting this ridiculous state of affairs, then at least he can stand at stud as a Thoroughbred Anglo Arab and Weatherbys, not at any time in the future, will be asking Breeders to accept Part 11 Thouroughbreds
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Lynda
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Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 12:18:35 PM
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Pleasure Babs
It's amazing what can be found out, if the questions are put to the correct people! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 12:31:36 PM
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Having spent many hours of reading and researching, for a possible solution to resolve the Anglo1 and Anglo11 problem, which may help appease Breeders of Anglo and Part Bred Arabs,an idea springs to mind
Why not have just two Stud Books... AHSB and name the second AA and PBA Sports Horse Stud Book (AA/PBA.SHSB) Same could then have three sections...Section 1 would be for Pure Anglo Arabs, Section 2 could cater for all DNA`d Parentage tested Part Bred Arabs(such as we now have in the PBA (Part Bred Arab11) Register and the third section,to be a Register for non DNA`d PBA, who would be able to upgrade into Section two of the Stud Book, if the criteria is fulfilled
This system would then be fair to all Breeders concerned and would
not cause confusion.. and thus assist in promoting the Anglo Arab and Part Bred Arab Sporthorse to the general equine public
Part Bred Arab Breeders would then be given the opportunity to upgrade their stock into a STUD BOOK instead of only having a Register available at this time
The Register Section, could then be the choice to owners who simply want a passport and Registration certificate, without incurring the expense of stud book entry
Such a Stud Book, (AA/PBA.SHSB) who be financially viable and could be printed annually as one complete volume, encompassing all the aforementioned
Whilst the Arab Horse Stud Book is printed Annually as is the Part Bred Arab Register...not so the Anglo Arab Stud Book!! the last volume
15, was printed in July 2002. Six years on and after countless phone calls asking `when Vol.16 will be printed`? my question gets a negative response
Stud Books are VERY IMPORTANT for breeders to keep updated with current breeding stock and breed produce.
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Lynda
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Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 2:14:01 PM
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The whole purpose of this discussion surely relates only to the Europeans wanting to include a Section 11 Anglo although these Section 11's are, as far as the UK breeders are concerned, a Part-bred.
The more information that is gathered, the more complicated it becomes, as each section has two parts i.e. Anglos with 25% and over are in A.A book; Anglos carrying less that 25% go in to A.C. The same goes for the Section 11. So we are talking about four catergories of Anglos. It seems to boil down to the fact that the Europeans do not understand what a Part-bred is, or do not like the name.
In the last fifteen years, there doesn't see to be anyone from the society who has fought our corner in Europe, although it was stated by the society that the U.K. did not have a Section 11, only a Part-bred register.
We still await notification of the working parties first meeting. |
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vjc
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Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 3:28:25 PM
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| maybe if the name was not PART bred, it might appeal to the continent. The word part seems to imply your horses are just an attachment,!!! or just a part of something, it does sound condescending if you think about it! no wonder people think its the poor mans arab! a lot more should be done to encourage the part bred horses so they can truely be recognised for their amazing abilities in competition. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 08:08:50 AM
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Hi Verena...you are right about the Europeans not liking the word Part Bred.........but think it is more to do with the fact that our PBA only have a Register and not a Stud Book.
OMG Lynda.......your info above fills me with horror........four sections of Anglos ?? Total Confusion for British Anglo Breeders...
We must not let this happen
Come on AHS Working Party, let us know when the First Meeting is...think we deserve to know somethink positive after many years of
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Lynda
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 10:36:46 AM
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Hi Babs
Both Sue and I have been asked to be on the working party, and I assure you that we have been requesting the first meeting, hopefully, the powers that be, will start moving. We do not want to go into next year's AGM in the same situation that we are now, or have been for the last fifteen years.
There is an awful lot of work to be done, and it is not going to take five minutes. The AHS members deserve this issue to be resolved. We can not be asked to vote, yet again, until it has been clarified |
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BabsR
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 1:23:06 PM
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Agree, agree, agree, Lynda and Sue. Know you will do your utmost to get to the bottom of this gaping hole and fully inform all Members the exact situation and complete clarification which we all deserve, especially the frustrated Anglo Breeder/Members, BEFORE, hopefully ALL Members are again asked to cast their vote on such a profound and thus far, confusing issue relating to our Anglo Arab Stud Book.
Do your best Girls, we are relying on you to finally draw to a conclusion, this fifteen years long Saga  |
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SueN
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Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 2:52:11 PM
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Yippeee, subscription to the fan club will be gratefully received! Early Christmas presents in the shape of bottles, will be duly consumed!
Seriously, we shall do our very best to untie all the knots. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 07:02:17 AM
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Can anyone tell me if Anglo Arabs have to be DNA Parentage Tested to be eligible for entry in the French Anglo Arab Stud Book and does the USA have an Anglo Arab Stud Book ??
AND...........We are now into September. Can ANYONE confirm if the first meeting of the `Working Party` has yet taken place. or even been planned for a CERTAIN DATE!! We were assured it would be in August...perhaps the AHS meant August 2009?? |
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Lynda
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 10:30:28 AM
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From information gathered, I believe that if you were to take an Anglo to France and want it registered, it would probably have to be re DNA'd. It is also advised that the animal has a microchip.
As yet, no meetings of the Working Party have taken place, or even been suggested, despite Sue's phone calls. Yes, we were assured that it would be August, and would assure you that Sue and I will not rest until all has been sorted. |
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nn
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 2:03:47 PM
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| I remember going to the first meeting in London when they started the great anglo debate.Anglo arab breeders are thin on the ground these days, but if you ask any off them the answer is NO.We already have a PBA register. So lets hope that someone sees sense! Nicky |
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BabsR
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 3:48:52 PM
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HI Nicky....welcome to AL Know we can rely on your backing. You are right, Anglo Breeders are thin on the ground..........BUT that does not mean we are going to be easily crushed into accepting the EU directive. NO WAY There are still some old established Anglo Studs in the North of England....and you Northeners are made of `strong stuff` and will fight your corner all the way  |
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Lynda
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 4:49:01 PM
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Nicky
Welcome aboard!
Babs, Nicky managed to get her passport updated, and moved South a while ago.  |
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BabsR
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 5:10:59 PM
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Apologies Nicky........did not know you had up sticks and moved South
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BabsR
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 1:15:05 PM
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Any News yet ?? about the date of Working Parties first Meeting
Sorry to be a bore........but time is flying by |
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Lynda
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 2:18:21 PM
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| No news yet. Letters have been sent asking for a date. All letters would have been received by now, so watch this space. Sue and I are well aware that time is slipping by. We are ready |
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Micky
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Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 5:09:51 PM
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| Has anyone any news about anything that has happened, or has nothing happened! |
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weirton
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Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 5:51:31 PM
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Micky, I put the following post on yesterday as a new topic but probably should have put it on here. Presumably nobody has an answer.
In July Denmoor posted that a meeting of the Working Party to discuss the Anglo Arab problem was to take place during August. Did it happen and if so are we allowed to see a copy of the minutes so that we can keep up with progress?
If the meeting didn't happen will the minutes be available to the membership when it does as we must keep track of what is going on here.
Does anyone know the answer please?
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Micky
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nn
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Micky
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 : 11:35:08 AM
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| Oh thanks nn, I'm getting a bit fed up with the wait. |
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emma
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 : 1:55:05 PM
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| Me too, eagerley awaiting some news! |
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Micky
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