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avanti
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 Posted - 21 Jun 2008 : 11:20:01 PM
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Its a brilliant connection, I have been trawling thro' stud books and found this too,
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LYNDILOU
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LYNDILOU
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max
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 09:15:16 AM
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Hi Linda
No i dont mind at all, i will post some more pic's of her today,She also now has a full brother (Bingo) both have the most amazing characters, cover girl is very kind and loving so i guess from what linda has said this is what the tail female line back to her mare is like |
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 10:40:08 AM
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Hi Lynda,
Don't think I can be too much help. Crosbie-sire line was bred in Syria and raced in Egypt. No strains are given by either Upton or Gazder. Dam line was back to the great mare Hagar, a Kuhailan Ajuz. Karit was indeed bred by Dr. Houtappel in Holland. The Ibn Charismma was bred by a lady named Mrs. Andrea Ware....
Karit had 7 foals, 6 of which had offspring there are 37 grandchildren.
Karina had 7 foals one of which bred on: Ritina
Karalla had three with two breeding on: Kathir, Karissmah
Karita had four with one breeding on: Katriona
Karita (same? Different was in Sweden) and had one breeding on Kieara Bint Karita.
Rosehue had 10 with 4 breeding on: Huesun, Nejmet El Leila, Sahirra El Leila and Samra Khayal Bint Ferdi
Synphony had 4 with 2 breeding on: Solanda and Bint Ayisha
Oxenpill's Professor and Khorramshahr were stallions who did not sire foals who bred on.
Hopefully there is enough there to help you out.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 11:08:07 AM
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That is very interesting Gari, thanks so much, I am in the process of finding living offspring from these horses. so if Dr Houtappal bred her in 1947, was that in Holland? and she was imported to the UK When? if this does not tally then this may not be her, as she had to be in the UK when I was 12 years old fingers crossed we have the right one |
   
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 11:18:33 AM
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Does anyone know where I can read up on Dr Houtappel, I have googled but without sucsess My friend Lynn Payne used to work for him, back in the 70's she said he came over about then, that is too late for this mare to have been the right one. it wasnt very common for people to buy arabs from Holland back in the 50's which is why I thought she must be Old english, Oh help someone pplleeease |
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avanti
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 1:29:24 PM
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I tried to google Dr Houtappel too, we need to find out when he came to live here and which horses he brought with him,
Just re read your last post Lynda, looks like this may not be your mare, how dissapointing, sorry, I'll get looking again tonight,
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 1:35:22 PM
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Well he came to live here in the 70's, but he may well have sold the horse before hand, I dont think so though somehow.
he lived quiet near to where I live now in Wadhurst, again I am not sure where abouts in wadhurst. it would be good to have list of all the mares he brought and hope she was not on that list, because if she was , it could not be her! how do we find this list of horse imports? over to you Mandy
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 1:57:33 PM
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| Dr Houtappel is listed as having bred a mare called Karit in the netherlands. Although it doesnt say she was imported/exported her registration is english. She was bought by a Mr H Pickles Esq of the UK, no address I'm afraid. Possibly bought as a weanling so registration was made immediate to England???? |
     
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LYNDILOU
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 4:27:06 PM
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Just says 1947. AHSB 1281. Stud book reference Volume 7 page 222. Mr Pickles seems to have bought several horses from the netherlands around this time, all are within a few years in age.
A Full sister Dewi
and several related. All Karits foals were reg by Mr G H Glass, so I would imagine that was her owner during this time.
She produced several foals mostly by a stallion called Alah's Professor who was bred by Mrs F E G Betty but unless they were close by and/or good friends I would imagine Mr Glass owned this stallion also. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 4:42:32 PM
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Then I dont think this can be the same mare this mare was in the UK in 1957, she was about 10 years old, owned privately, by a couple who just had her and a cob.
Karit didnt have foals til 1962 I think that was her first. |
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bridie
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 5:31:00 PM
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Vol 7 of the AHS stud book covers imports for the years 1944 - 1947 so could be the same mare.
It gives her markings as Bay, irregular star conjoined to narrow strip to between nostrils, all four fetlocks slightly black, mane & tail inclined to be black.
I also found a The Lady Lucretia (looking for crete) but she was pale chestnut. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 5:54:21 PM
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That sounds like her discription doesn't it? she had no white apart from the narrow blaze no white legs or feet. I so much want it to be her,. can anyone find her registered in the UK date? that would help enormously |
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LYNDILOU
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avanti
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 9:43:16 PM
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Dr Houtappel is listed in the 1973 stud directory and the mare was not with him then, not a great help I know, she appears in the "arabian families in great britain 1875-1973" Dr P.j. Gazder, it annoyingly doesn't give importation date but I presume to be in the 1944-1947 stud book she was here as a baby, I shall keep looking.
Mandy.
I have found a photo of Karusen, which I will post in the morning. |
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avanti
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 9:57:04 PM
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According to Gazder's book she was imported to UK in 1949, she apparently is registered in the netherlands stud book,
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 10:14:27 PM
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I cant tell you all, how much I appriciate your help in this quest to find the arabian mare of my childhood , the one that inspired me to all that has come after, and the life long passion to this day. we seem so near , please keep helping THANK YOU |
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Egbert
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 08:25:17 AM
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Hi Lynda,
You got it a bit backwards, I think ...Houtappel's stock was from Crabbet that he imported into Holland. Then he sold back to the UK in '61 with Karit to someone named Pickles, ESQ. Then he was used by people named Glass to breed to three stallions, Rimini, Alahs Professor and Young Garbi.
My bet? They imported as a lease in '57 when you met her and then purchased her which would then reflect the differing 'import' dates.
She had 7 foals bred by someone named glass with the first born in '62. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 08:59:28 AM
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| Now that makes sense! so in discription, dates, and age would it be a huge conicidence if it were not her? remember arabians were rare in those days in the UK |
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Tahir
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 09:25:24 AM
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Lynda, I have a friend visiting today who knew Dr. Houtappel, my friend also lived in Belgium and bred Arabians there for a while. I will pick her brains later and hopefully she will remember some 'names' to help you with your quest. I really can't promise anything, but I will post later this evening.
Carla, xx. |
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