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DenmoorStud
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 Posted - 02 May 2008 : 3:05:44 PM
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Time to show everyone just how talented Performance Horses/Ponys are when they carry Arabian bloodlines, Come and show the equestrian world. We will be competing alongside the Trakehner the most revered of European bloodlines,who
are happy to celebrate the arabian blood they carry. Don't miss your chance to win the High Points Championship prize
of £100.Jnr and Snr. Studs this is an ideal opportunity to encourage any one owning your Performance Horses/Ponies to
come and Compete we know you are out there!!! |
   
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Rach1
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 9:49:42 PM
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Hi, if there is a link what is it please. I would love to bring either Ottoman or Chancton Golden Colours - my anglo boys.
Thanks Rachel. |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 12:03:46 AM
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| Hi Rachel, website www.arab-trakevent.com we very much look .forward to seeing you and the boys, and any friends you might like to bring with you Horses or Humans |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 10:06:55 AM
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Thanks Denise, what an excellent chance, and showcase for us breeders and owners alike, to show the ability PBAR ponies/horses have.I wish the arab/trakehner event every success, and will be going along on the day. Come on you PBAR lot, lets see the talent your horses have!!!  |
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knedo_stables
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Netherlands
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Posted - 18 May 2008 : 10:05:44 PM
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Here some shots of our 2007 colt and 2006 filly:
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Kazhak
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Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 01:37:01 AM
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Hi I just found this thread, I breed Arabian Ponies, at the moment I share my time between an Arabian Pony Stallion and My Prized Mare Kazhak, I ride them both in Endurance, and am Imensly Proud of them both,
I love the improvements that crossing our Arabs with our Welsh ponies has entailed, |
     
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 08:43:15 AM
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Hi Kazhak,Welcome to Partbred breeders, you have every right to be very proud,it really is great to hear from you.
Look forward to more postings from you and pics please Arab x Welsh are a fab x |
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Kazhak
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Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 10:37:21 AM
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Thanx, I was reading through some of the initial Post, I guess we're lucky here in Australia as through the Arabian Horse Society we can register our X's, even the shows have Deriviative Classes Specially for Us, although Sometimes it is Hard to Compete in these as (See Comment in initial page) there is no Specific type, you can have Arabian Riding ponies - these are a cross of Riding pony (welsh x thoroughbred) and Arabian these make a much finer pony, And Arabian ponies (like Mine) and Anglo's all mixed into the same class, which I don't think is fair for any of us, Still at least I can register my lot as Arabian Ponies not just Deriviatives So i don't have much to Complain about... I really like the Idea of the Sport pony, But it still doesn't give recognition for Arabian blood really..
Denmoore Stud What sought of Breed is the horse in your Sig?? its very nice by the way |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 10:45:49 AM
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| HI kazak i have seen denmoors stallion hale bop and he is absolutely stunning in the flesh, in fact my sister and myself will hopefully be using him on our mares this year. I am sure denise who owns him will explain his breeding to you, she is very helpfull on every aspect of part bred horses. oh and by the way love your pictures. Verena. |
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Kazhak
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 12:11:57 PM
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Thanx Verena you have nice ponies too by the looks of things, Do you breed Pures or parts?? Is that you and the Twin looking pair in the 2nd pic in your Signature??
gee I'm Glad i found this site, everyone has been soo friendly
its kinda cool watching Stories from abroad unfold |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 2:59:25 PM
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Knedo, you have some extremely nice horses, we will look forward to hearing more from you.
Thank you Verena and Kazhak Hale Bop is an Anglo Trakehner, and also a graded AHS Premium Stallion, all his offspring
are entitled to registration with the AHS and also the Trakehner 's his bloodlines are eventing lines, his grandsire
was himself an eventer and his brother from the dam line is known by the name of opposition,who retired Grade2 with
54 points. So as you can see he will breed performance horses. His first 4yr old is off to boarding school this week
We are working on gaining a higher profile for any Sport Horse/Pony with Arabian bloodlines, so will keep you updated |
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Kazhak
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 3:11:54 PM
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Wow Nice, Sounds all very high profile,
I would really love to see some better sized pics of Him??
what height is he??
& is he a true black,
oh and good luck at that event your going to
I feel very shamed, (I don't even ride my little mare in a bridle - I think it has something to do with the promise I made her mother years ago) |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2008 : 5:03:58 PM
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| hi again kazhak, thanks for your kind comments, yes that is me with elmdale extrovert (travis) and elmdale eloquence (sophie) yes i breed partbreds, all the horses in my signiture are elmdale horses except for the purebred filly whom i bought in off a freind who was giving up horses she is called mia and is by the russian stallion krown, out of an egyptian mare malika daleeha. i would dearly like to breed a nice coloured horse one day too! Yes you are right about everyone being so freindly on here, i love AL too. |
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knedo_stables
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Netherlands
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Kazhak
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 20 May 2008 : 01:50:56 AM
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Wow Knedo He's Beautiful, absolutely Perfect, what beautiful Markings...
I still have this silly dream to import wait for it - a (I know this is nigh on impossible) Black paint Mustang Mare with markings just like his.. "exspensive" for a Mustang I know but their tough and have great endurance, and those black and white markings are just a dream,
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 9:20:29 PM
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Sometimes I get the feeling of a internal struggle, between the Purebred and Partbreed breeders and I ask the question Why? We are likely to spend more time promoting Arabian bloodlines to the general public than the Purebred, and yet it appears most people with Purebreds consider themselves superior, but are happy to bath in the success of our x breds
whilst looking slightly down their noses, perhaps partbred breeders like myself are receiving the wrong message. If this is the case is it not high time we were given the credit for all the promotion we attract for the breed. |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 9:32:56 PM
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| hi denmoor stud, i do know what you mean, not everyone is bias of course but i think it stems from when part breds were considered the cheapest alternative to buy, if a purebred was out of your budget! today that is not the case the partbreds have an important role in promoting the qualities of the purebred, but also proving themselves invaluable in competition and the showring, a breed in their own right! surely we must work side by side in competition and other disciplines and not feel it is wrong to cross a purebred with other valuable breeds if the end result is perfection. |
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Kazhak
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:04:23 AM
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Here here VJC nicely put,
I don't do any real serious showing myself, my ponies are for riding, we do Endurance this is about the only thing that gets us out into the public eye, so far we're doing well (fingers crossed its stays that way) I just wanted to say that like VJC said, not all purebred breeders look down their noses at the crosses, My Mum & Dad used to breed pure welsh section B together and we still have a few of them left, then my Dad moved on to Purebred Arabians buying his first arabian mare off the lady we'd bought our welhies from, and that started a new stage in our lives, so my Dad breeds purebred Arabians, however in that time we've bred heaps of partbreds, my dad loves them, my mums main riding horse is also an Arabian pony (built like a brick outhouse - & goes all day) my dad loves the cross of welsh & Arabian, while there is still a place for the purebred and its role in our world, my dad & I love the Improvements that crossing with good quality stock brings to both sides of the table, the thing I find funny is there is evidence that Lady Wentworth liked crosses too, anyways I think I digress.
I understand what your saying Denmoore, if it means that we have to work just a bit harder than the purebred breeders to prove our horses (are better than theirs) lol then I'm up for the challenge in my chosen sport. okay okay my little mare might not win a ride but she'll complete no matter what, no matter the challenge, no matter that in some rides with every step I almost loose my small mare to the mud while the big purebreds charge on through, my little mare is a stayer, My Stallion will prove this too.. with more character and heart then a prissy purebred.....lol My little mare was the one that taught my Dads purebred stallion that walking in the water wasn't a bad thing
I believe Verena is right about the the view that partbreds used to be the cheaper alternative, the other thing to remember is that in being cheaper they might not have had the best conformation, and this could have been put down as just being partbred no worries mate... its different now though and I do believe that eventually PBA will have more recognition just because there are those of us with a care to how we breed our horses.. |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:24:34 AM
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thanks for your kind comments kazhak, i think the partbred is so versatile and i myself have bred competition ponies and horses capable of holding their own in the show ring as well as dressage and showjumping, and i find the welsh blood crossed with the arab invaluable, my first cross was anglo arab/welsh sec d then back to anglo arab with gave me a horse with power and stamina, good comformation and paces. my welsh cross brood mare has been the foundation of many successful offspring, two of which i have attached a picture. hope you like. Verena.
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Kazhak
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Australia
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 07:00:44 AM
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Wow Verena they are really good looking Ponies, what beautiful breadth between their eyes and they look like good solid horses to ride..
the X's are very versatile, I mean look at what we all do, Mine are Endurance, yours do showing and jumping Proper performance stuff you know, where a horse needs strength and a good back end, the reason I chose Arabian Ponies was (even though I don't) They are great for showing, fun for a bomb around the bush, perfect for the young to learn about showing and all that plus they have the sensibleness of the welsh pony....My little mare has been a trail boss, Stock horse, Pack horse, Therapy Pony, She's even been an Express Pony, I don't know how much versatile she can get but there has to be more out there we can do LOL
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I love the Photos of your ponies Verena they look like really great fun ponies for the people they watch over, they are bigger jumps than I would brave |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 07:09:49 AM
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Thank you both for your input, I just felt that we are not appreciated by our society, this is one of the reasons for
the Performance event. Please excuse me just need a few positive vibes, as a couple of breeders have told me that they consider the event a non starter,so I am asking everyone to rally please as I see this event as a vehicle to take us, breeders and competitors where ever we want it to. This thread is just proving that the PB is fabulous in
every respect. So go to it and keep posting. Good Luck to you all
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weirton
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:18:44 AM
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Following your comment that some 'breeders think this event is a non-starter. This seems crazy to me when we're all looking for new markets. This may be the way to go, who knows? As long as you are not looking to alter our breeding programmes of course, but enough said on that one.
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. Anything to encourage Part-bred breeding has got to be a good thing. Look what the Cherif has done for us! I know for a fact this event had it's doubters.
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LesleyA
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Scotland
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:58:03 AM
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I have been following this thread with interest. I also breed part-breds, mostly small hack type. I feel the arab blood is invaluable as it adds quality and refinement but with my hack breeding I also don't want too much as this would give me high tail carriage and possible make them croup high which is not wanted in hack breeding.
I do think it would be lovely if the AHS would show a bit more of the part-breds in the journals as sometimes you really have to search from cover to cover to see if there is any in it.
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weirton
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 1:32:26 PM
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| yes i agree whole heartedly with your comments lesley on the reporting of partbreds in all the major editorials, and i have got to say the AHS is very guilty too! come on we have got three stud books, the arab the anglo and the part-bred lets treat them all the same!!!! |
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