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Qui Gon Jinn
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 Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 4:41:43 PM
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| Takamir's Biscuit was Arab (Takamir) x Welsh Mountain pony (Cariban Blonde), according to All Breeds and Golden Sappho was by Golden Trail out of Ashley Golden Olga. This makes Golden Sappho TB cross New Forest, as Golden Trail had a large percentage of TB blood as well as some QH. Ashley Golden Olga is either a full New Forest mare or a partbred. I'm having difficulty in finding anything more on her! |
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 10:02:06 PM
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Hi again,
Sorry to dive in but you have mentioned Golden Trail - is that the 1958 dkb Hasty Road x Sunny Vale horse? If it is allbreeds only mention thoroughbred breeding so what do you know about a QH element?
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 10:20:09 PM
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Sorry, in my enthusiasum I've been stupid I can see its not the same Golden Trial as in my foal's breeding.
I think from what you are saying I'm interested in another Sunshine as well - hope I did'nt cause a problem.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 10:48:02 PM
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There is only ONE Sunshine registered in the Part Bred Register Vol VI., this is the register for the Sunshine that appears in the Monclare Breeding and the dam of some Palomino's, icluding Monclare's Arabian Gold (1969) s.Akram AHSB Vol.X./Sunshine (1958)Albino. PBAR Vo.VI. was with Mrs Munday.Monclare Stud.( also see the posting for Info wanted.)
Hope that helps a bit folks, more to follow.( I only have the PBAR Vol.X 1969/1970 ish. and a few old Show Catalogues to help here,Cookie has Vol VI & V...
Takamir's Biscuit was only 50% Arab, the dam Criban Blondie, was from some of the best welsh breeding.Sue
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 11:32:05 PM
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| Thanks Sue, that would fit in perfectly with my lad's pedigree. I am sure the Sunshine I am looking for is by Takamir's Biscuit and the dam would have been Golden Sappho. I don't suppose anyone has a phone number for Mrs Mundy?! She would be the one to sort out the mystery I'm sure?!! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 11:42:48 PM
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| Do you have a year of birth for Ashley Golden Olga. Sue |
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sarahlock
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 8:34:30 PM
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| Sorry Sue, I don't have a definite year, but according to the New Forest Society it would have been around the 1940's. Sadly a lot of the ponies details were lost that were born during the war, so there are a lot of gaps. |
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 9:39:44 PM
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Sarah,
Yes, she is a Tylands foal but I'm begining to get a bit confused now by these horses with the same names and would appreciate when you get a mo if you could straighten things out for me.
I don't know now which Golden Trail applies to my foal and I have grave doubts about the 1958 Sunshine someone has put on allbreeds as the dam of Shepley Sundancer because Joan Latchford of the Cromer stud who owned Shepley Sundancer definately told me that the dam of her mare Sunshine was a palomino whose breeding she could not remember but the Shepley stud would know, the 1958 one was entered into the stud book as an albino so others say!
Allbreeds shows a Sunshine with Shepley Sunstream in her breeding that seems a far better bet to me unless someone can tell me why its not the right one.
Thanks for your help
Chris
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sarahlock
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 10:31:36 PM
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Hi, Monclare Stud - Mrs Mundy was registering stock out off the mare Sunshine 1958 and I can only assume that she would have got it correct as she would have had the mare at that time 1969/1970. I now have Mrs Mundy's telephone number and will give her a call when I have a mo..The Shepley Stud is no more, so there is no one available to speak to there anymore..
Sunshine was registered in the Part Bred Arab Register Vol.VI.( as confirmed earlier in this posting). Hope we've helped a little...Sue
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sarahlock
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 11:20:16 PM
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Hi Sue ,
Have a look on the Sundowner thread ,i found an article by Mrs Latchford in a 1977 Palomino mag regarding Shepley Sundancer , it says her parents are Widdicombe Fair ( Chestnut) & Sunshine (Cremello )!  |
     
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 6:27:16 PM
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Thanks everso much, especially Sue & Sarah. I am now much happier with the outcome. Although I would still be interested in Mrs Mundy's information if you get a chance to speak with her and there is still the mystery of Widdicombe Fair's mum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am getting quite excited now as my little filly should be being vetted next week - fingers & toes crossed pleased!
Best regards to my online helpdesk friends.
Chris
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 7:36:10 PM
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I echo what Chris has said, thanks so much to Sue and Sarah for all your hard work!
Sue, I'd love to hear what Mrs Mundy has to say about Sunshine!
Will get some shots of my boy on once, I've taken some more of him |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 10:18:06 PM
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Hi folks, I also want to try to find out about some of Jeanette Mundays other mares from those days, she kept loads of horses and was well know for the amount of Palomino's she bred, I've started to add all the ones from the Part Bred Arab Register Vo.X. (the only one I have) and she did breed a lot of Palomino's. I've had a pal here staying this week from France and she remembered several of Jeanette's mares & she left me her telephone number.
I'd like to get my hads on the other PBARegisters from 1970 back....a tall order I think..
Widdicomb Fair was a big strong chestnut horse around 15.2h if my memory serves me well, I saw him a few times and just can't remember his owners name, but, used to pass through the village where he lived, cause he was a chestnut.
and I think the only difference between cremello & albino is the colour of the eyes.
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saddlebred
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 6:48:42 PM
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Hi folks
Especially for Havenbeech and Jayne (Qui Gon Ginn)
Here are some pictures of Fayrelands Dancing Tiara and her twin brother Fayrelands Dancing Crown. They are from some old Palomino magazines that I have just managed to buy.
Arent they lovely?
Debbie
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 7:34:45 PM
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Oh wow, thanks so much for that Debbie. They are both just stunning. This is great, I'm adding to Hal's family album bit by bit! Thanks for taking the time and effort to post these for us. Without generosity like yours, we'd be looking for a very long time!
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 11:09:09 PM
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You're welcome Jayne.
I wouldnt have got as far with my pedigree charts without help from here. It is very addictive stuff.
Couldnt resist posting the twins piccies because I remembered what you said about Tiara being a twin.
Best wishes
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 1:06:21 PM
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Hi everyone,
Just posted re Widdicombe Fair's mum + confirmation re Sunshine etc on Sundowner thread on other AL breed forum.
No time, got to go.
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saddlebred
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Posted - 29 Sep 2007 : 7:38:18 PM
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Especially for Jayne
Here is a picture of Zyda Golden Shalal (Hal) from Summer/Autumn 1998 magazine.
I hope Hal is going well.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 : 12:48:40 PM
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| Hal's pic now on allbreeds... Keep them coming... |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 : 5:16:58 PM
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Oh Debbie that is wonderful, many thanks!
He hasn't really changed much. Still has that wonderful long mane! I'm finding out lots of his little quirks that he has at the moment. Sadly Children are not always the best teachers and he has been taught some very naught things!! We are going through the pain barrier of who the true boss is.........he is quite obstinant that he thinks it should be him, but he is slowly realising that I am not a child that can be bullied, especially when he flattens his ears and swings his bum at me!!
We will get there in the end, I'm sure! Another of his tricks that I discovered yesterday is that if, when you are sat on him, you put your hand on his rump, he bucks! What a lovely trick to teach a horse.......I could throttle the little beggar that taught him that one! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Sep 2007 : 5:44:54 PM
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| I think you'll find there are a lot of horses do that, they don;t have to be shown how to do it...Good Luck..Sue |
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Posted - 21 Oct 2007 : 12:04:13 PM
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| Dose any one have any info on MONCLARE CRTSTALL PRINCESS. |
    
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