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saddlebred
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 8:56:02 PM
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Hi all you palomino fans. A couple of people have posted some ace photos of Golden Trail in response to my query about "kingsettle Moidore of Muston". I dont know how to transfer the picture across so thought I would flag it here until some clever soul can put a copy under this thread.
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sarahlock
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 11:57:07 AM
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| I have just bought a great great grandson of Golden Trail. He is beautiful...........photo's to follow! |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 12:27:32 AM
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Hi there ,
My Pally mare is a GGG grandaughter of Golden Trail`s , Silver Moonlight`s grandmother on his dams side "SylviaIV" was also his Great grandmother on his sire`s side ! 
No harm done as they were all Champions & sired Champions , but i wish i could find out who Sylvia IV parents were !
Had a look today on the Palomino sales list & im just guessing here but have you just bought Zyda Golden Shalal ??? ha ha 
Sarah http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=GOLDHAZE+FANTAZIA&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l= |
     
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 12:40:39 AM
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| Are you talking about Mr Suntans dam, I don't know if Mrs Collins is still about but, Jingo might be able to tell you as they moved close to them. I used to go to Shepley often, with a man that delivered horses, so was always there in the late 1950ies & 1960ies. I'm sure I've read somewhere his breeding.Is there anything to help in the palomino society breeding and I think all these horses were inspected re their colour so I bet there is more info about that particular mare, albeit getting a old now...the Monclare lady is someone else to try Mrs Mundy she seems to have many palominos in the part bred register and used Mr Sun Tan. |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 12:56:12 AM
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Rita Collins died a few years ago now .
Yes i`d love to find out how Mr Suntans mother Sylvia IV was bred & also the mother of Ochre Golden Tan "Fiona" ? I have looked on all breeds & clicked on her progeny but i have had no luck ! The Monclare lady.....any idea how i would i find her ? I got stuck trying to find who Tormella & April Golden Glory`s parents were ! |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 09:05:28 AM
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You are right Sarah! How on earth out of all the horses advertised for sale, did you work out that I'd bought that particular Palomino?! |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 09:34:53 AM
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Ha ha ,
Well i looked at his advert yesterday & when you said that you`d bought a GG Grandon of Golden trail who`s parents are closely related i knew that the Hassels & Thornhills quite often line breed so i looked up his pedigree on all- breeds & got the answer !
My friends say that im like a walking encyclopedia when it comes to horses bloodlines ....i reel off all these names & i dont know where i store all the information .....being a blonde ! ha ha |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 12:28:10 PM
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What a smart cookie you are
I'd love to know more about this horse if you can help at all. I've put a note on New Owners looking but not sure if anyone will be able to help.
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sarahlock
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 11:53:09 AM
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| Im afraid i dont know anything about his past ,as im down in Devon but there is a picture of him in the winter 2000 Palomino magazine on page 11 |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 6:03:48 PM
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Hi Jayne
I have replied to your other thread with some piccies of your horses sire and grandsire. Hope you like them.
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saddlebred
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 6:09:54 PM
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Hi Sarah
I think that Mr. Suntan's dam was Irishbred. I read this recently in a Palomino magazine which had a history of the Shepley Stud.
It said that Mrs. Collings was persuaded to sell her stallion to the Duchess of Rutland (I think!) when the Duchess said that she knew a palomino stallion (Mr. Suntan) whose breeder was horified to breed a hunter of that colour. It goes on to mention Irish blood and as Mayfair III was a TB it must be Sylvia that was at least part Irish.
I will dig out the article and scan it in for you.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 01:28:04 AM
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Debbie, I'd also love to see the article, when ever we went there Mr Sun Tan would great us and I always got the chance to say hello to him.
I think you'll be right about the Irish side, around that time there were plenty of Irish horses coming in.I wonder if the Irish Horse Board has a Palomino Sylvia. I see Sylvia bred another palomino, Roundhills Golden Finale, Hollywood Finale & Silver Moonlight from this line & all Palominos...
Does anyone know if Mrs Collings has any family in the area still, that might be the only chance. I see Mrs Mundy used the horse and bred Palomino's. |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 12:56:23 PM
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Tried typing in Sylvia on all breeds & the list was endless , seems that shes Sylvia45!
Quite a few horses are on there several times but with different details !
Silver Moonlight`s parents were both Palomino but he was cremello ! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 2:41:44 PM
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I remember something about Mr Sun Tans dam and the breeding, but, can't remember what it was, as I said I went there a lot when Shepley Stud was at Shepley Bromsgrove, he was a lovely big horse and looked much like a PBA although he was tall with an excellent colour.In those days they were breeding colour and that was the number one issue. The allbreeds site does not give you enough choices to add the correct lines, and often you end up with a selection that is not specific enough. I have a 3/4 bred mare,out of a very nice Irish 50/50 mare, but its proved difficult to add her full breeding to the allbreeds lines. Her dam is registered with the Irish Horse Board.
I did start to look through the part bred arab register for the 1970's and found several by this horse Mr Sun Tan...I think you need to find someone, if possible, who new the horse & owner personally, I can think of a few folks but they are few and far between and getting a bit long in the tooth now. I reckon your best bet would be to search the old Palomino books/mags. Has anyone got his winnings from all those years ago, I was well into the showing/breeding around that time,but never got involved in the palomino side, and it did occure to me that someone had put Mr Sun Tan on the allbreeds, that person might well have a bit more info about the dam..The man I went with to Shepley was a dealer, he bought lots of horses from around the country, anything Palomino,had a first stop at these enthusiasts. and as I said,many horses were coming in from Ireland and only 10 years after the end of the war, horses were still a bit thin on the ground and especially if they were palomino. the dealer I am refering to, I remember him buying Grassendale Golden Rocket, that went on to do well.and a top class riding 13.2h, poss Cream Puff???, that won at most of the midlands county shows in the 1960 ies. |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 11:58:41 PM
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I found the piece of paper with Fantasy`s pedigree on it tonight that Josie Thompson sent me a few years ago !
It says on there that SylviaVIII was a Champion 15.2hh Grey & Fiona was an Irish Bred Point to Point / Hunter mare ! But that is as good as it gets ...ha ha
I also found a printout that i had done for my filly at the Arab Nationals which says that April Golden Glory`s sire was called Palais de Danse ...Palomino! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 1:05:19 PM
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I hate to say this, but, Its SYLVIA IV, were looking at...and my instinct is telling me this mare should not be Grey,she was also the dam of Roundhills Golden Finale & Mr Sun Tan... Can someone turn up the old article on palomino's and post it for us please.. Mrs Mundey is the Monclare lady and still lives in Kidderminster I am told, she bred several Palomino's.
Another clue, Fleche Bleu (1949) Ch.16.1h, Was HIS ( Hunter Improvement) 1960 to 1963, These Stallions would have an area & travel that area. Sylvia IV was dam of Roundhills Grand Finale, sire by Fleche Bleu, & Roundhills Golden Finale was sired by Mr Sun Tan / Sylvia IV.
Who has/had Roundhills Stud.
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?h=sylvia+iv&g=5&query_type=progeny&search_bar=progeny&done=y&inbred=Standard&x2=n&username=&password=&x=0&y=0
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sarahlock
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 3:29:22 PM
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Jan Browne has the Roundhills stud !
Yes i know she is Sylvia1V but how many Sylvias are there registered as Mr Sun Tans Dam ?
I just clicked on Mayfair III progeny & Sylvia is there as 1V & 52 , its mad! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 02:08:51 AM
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No she is/was Sylvia IV, the 52 is the place she takes on the all breeds. she will be recorded some where as Sylvia IV, just got to find her. The link is Roundhills, they bred her to the TB Hunter Improvement stallion Flech Bleu and may have bred her to Mr Sun Tan, someone owned her prior to 1956(the year Sun Tan was born, and she bred at least two palominos, was she with Roundhills, did they own her, is there anyone there who could be asked... Is there any record of who bred both Golden Finale & Mr Sun Tan any where....Sue
If you rang the Irish Horse Board with her year of birth, they may tell you if she's registered there. I still think she was Palomino or chestnut..
At the Equine Event, sometimes these breed societys have their stud books available, for a good search... |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 9:30:35 PM
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Hi Sue (Rozyrider) and Sarah
I will have a go at ringing Janette Munday because she lives near me and I have just got her number off "192.com". I didnt realise she used to be Monclare stud!! What a small world.
I also have a number for Jan Browne who still runs Roundhills Stud in Bicester but I am scared to ring her because I will end up buying another horse!! She still breeds some palomino saddlebred crosses.
Leave it with me and I will see what I can find out about Sylvia IV.
Yes - it is really annoying when people add new horses on Allbreeds without checking if the horse is already listed. I have tidied a few up when I am 100% sure that they are wrong. The problem is you cant delete them without amending each progeny so you have to catch them early before loads of people have clicked on the wrong sire/dam.
Still - it is a fantastic resource and long may it rule!!.
Sue - It is lovely to hear of someone who knew Mr. Suntan. Was he ever at the Chateau Impney? I thought that the Shepley stud used to be based there. I live in Bewdley nr. Kidderminster so that is all my neighbourhood.
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Debbie
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sarahlock
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 10:17:45 PM
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Hi Debbie ,
if you speak to Mrs Munday could you find out April Golden glory`s pedigree please .....
i only have her sire Palais de danse & thats it !
AND NO BUYING MORE HORSES !
I know you want " A Goldie" he he |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 10:33:40 PM
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Hi Sarah
That is 3 I have got to ask Mrs. Munday about now!! Will be like 20 questions! If I can get through to her I will ask her about April Golden Glory as well.
Already have 2 palominos and a Welsh B so no room (or time!) for any more. BUT..... I love Saddlebred's and my young horse aint got much of that Hoping that I am not going to miss it too much when my old girl retires.
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sarahlock
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 11:29:44 PM
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Hi Qui Gon Jinn ,
i thought i`d better ask how Shalmal is settling in ? |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 12:18:19 AM
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Not a million miles away, still riding in the Wyre Forest myself, thought I'd add the few female palominos from the 1970 PBA reg, just in case. I never remember him at the Chataue Impney, Shepley was the place of Sand and my pal told me the stables are still there today. I also new someone who owned a sand quarry at Shepley.
Monclare Sunbeam 1970.Pal.s.Risslan,d.Moonbeam.
Monclare Rainbow's End 1970.Pal.s.Monclare Moon Wizard.d. Sheba X.
Monclare Golden Impala.1970.Pal.s.Sundowner.d Monclare Golden Impelo.
Monclare's Arabian Gold.1969.Pal.s.Akram d.Sunshine
Monclare's Morning Cloud.1970.Pal.s.Sundowner.Shergolds Honeysuckle.
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Monclare Golden Crown.1970.Pal.s.Sundowner d.April Golden Glory
Monclare Golden King.1970. Pal.s.Sundowner d.Sunflower.
Monclare Golden Manderin.1969.Pal.s.Sundowner.d.Shergolds Honeysuckle
Monclare Sundance Kid.1970.Pal.s.Risslan d.Buttermilk
Monclare Sun Wizard.1970.Pal.s.Mr Sun Tan.d.The handsome Witch.
all males. |
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bridie
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 09:00:56 AM
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Hi Sue.....do you remember that little coloured gelding I had when we lived in Bromsgrove ? Mojo...well he went to live with a pal of mine called Teresa whos farm backed onto the Chataux in Droitwich and the Chataux grounds are or were still full on palominos just running wild and probably very inbred.....they didnt belong to Shepley.
Im racking my brains trying to think of the name of the people that have Shepley now.
Also Heather Mcbreen will have the number of a lady in Coventry who breeds palominos and has done so for many years......she might be able to help.
I remember Mrs Munday`s Monclare Stud in its heyday and all her wonderful crabbet and palomino horses.
Saddlebred.....I am in South Staffs area and grew up drooling over Mrs M`s arabs. Nice to know we have more close neighbours on here.
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indi
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 2:07:53 PM
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Hi all!
I am following this thread with interest, as Mr Sun Tan, Sylvia IV, and Roundhills Golden Finale are all in my boys pedigree too.
Hopefully, someone will know some more about them.
Does anyone have any pics of them? I have one of Mr Sun Tan, but thats it.
Also would love to see pics of Ochre Golden Tan, by Mr Sun Tan. And Cornish Venture, and Legend Moon Amethyst.
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