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annas
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 Posted - 07 Jul 2007 : 9:13:52 PM
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This is something that we all dread and when I arrived at the yard this afternoon the YO told me that there have been numerous 'attacks' all round the yard where our horses are......
I'm in Sussex on the Ashdown Forest.
What do you do?? I suppose change the times we go up but I don't really know what else, I want to take them both home.
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Edited by - annas on 08 Jul 2007 10:07:38 AM
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 07 Jul 2007 : 10:07:34 PM
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Anna, where on earth is this all coming from. Have the police been informed? East Sussex is very small, this is horrendous!
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annas
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jul 2007 : 10:16:06 PM
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Hi Nicky, apparantly Newick, Haywards Heath, Withyam, Piltdown, Crockstead, nr Uckfield, and thats just what I've heard about this evening. Apparantly the police are aware and are actively working on it. I know a local vet is beginning to compile documents on anything suspicious.
Will try to find out more. |
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Tahir
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Posted - 07 Jul 2007 : 11:44:07 PM
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Oh I hope they find the culprits soon - how worrying, and WHY and HOW can people do this??
Carla, xx |
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Karrera
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England
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 09:40:36 AM
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There are some very sick people out there, I do hope that your horses are safe
Jackie x |
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annas
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 10:10:43 AM
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Rupert had a 3-4 inch slash about 3 weeks ago on his neck, it was so clean and looked like a stanley knife had just made a long, just enough to go right through the skin, incision. Then his rug was ripped half off this week and he was found standing in it.....
YO thinks that the horses were too hidden away for it to be suspicious when he got the slash.
I haven't been convinced though. He is the most nosey,inquisitive horse and if someone had food well...... |
Edited by - annas on 08 Jul 2007 10:12:29 AM |
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Egbert
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 10:31:51 AM
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Ok, folks, you have to invest or lease outdoor cameras-well hidden but surrounding the property and preferably that turn slowly so vehicles and people can be seen-much like what is on the UK highways and cities. Also the police should be able to find out if there are satellite photos of the area taken at the time of incidents, upon which the tapes can be honed. Today's satellite photography can read license plates.
Am curious, are such attacks treated as a felony or misdeameanor in the UK? |
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annas
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 11:02:34 AM
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Thanks Egbert. I will enquire about the satellite imaging, how clever. The cameras are a good idea for catching the perpetrators but for ours it would be too late....it makes me furious!
Unfortunately this kind of crime would be a misdemeanor rather than a felony, they rarely seem to catch anyone (it never appears to be high on their list) and when they do the punishment does not reflect the crime.
I think i'll report Ruperts slash. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 11:09:03 AM
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Oh goodness....you must be very worried.....hope they catch whoever is doing it soon!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 11:42:23 AM
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I dont mean to be an unbeliever, but it just MAY be possible that his wound was self inflicted? and maybe he had a toussle with his rug in the night? there are lots of cases where people think their horses have been got at when they might not have done. Now it could be genuinely a sicko out there,but in 9 out of 10 cases it has been explained through natural causes, lets face it most horses have got themselves in a scrape at sometime or another Does no one live on the property Annie? |
   
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Egbert
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 12:47:28 PM
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One thing to consider long term-GEESE. During the Viet Nam War, protestors daily invaded the US military's Ramstein AFB in Germany...They released Rottweilers at night, extra patrols, cameras, everything...nothing stopped the protestors from climbing the fence, being ripped on the wires-they just kept coming. Then someone got the bright idea to put out flocks of geese on the base...They are mean, they bite and they make a lot of noise. From the day they got the geese there was no more trespass! Also the manure is great for composting and gardens.
Lynda, you are right of course...Here in the states they thought that punks were grabbing and mangling cats...turned out that even tho' in town, cameras established that coyotes were attacking the cats! Nevertheless, think it would be a good idea to put up infrared nightime cameras around the property to ensure that no one is stealing in to do harm. |
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annas
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 3:11:47 PM
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Egbert, brilliant, that exactly what I suggested....geese. I will suggest again. Thanks.
Lynda, I hope so, and yes I think the rug could have been a simple accident but I am not convinced about the slash mark. And it's Anna! xx |
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LYNDILOU
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Karrera
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 4:13:09 PM
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Geese are noisey, we have one, started as a pair in 1886 but Mr Fox got one in the first week. We then got another female which resulted in lots of tiny noisey geese, we actually gave them away but still have the original, GORDON - follows my husband around like a dog but rushes, wings spread at me some times????, most people will not get out of their car when he is in the yard so a flock of geese is a great idea, actually I have often thought geese would make very good car security tehehe can imagine someone breaking into a car to find a goose with spread wings coming for them. They do bite as Egbert said they BITE and twist at the same time and it HURTS like hell. Rugs do sometimes come off when all buckles and leg straps are done up but on inspection there is usually ONE strap undone then the horse becomes a Hudini but a clean slash I don't think could possibly be self inflicted. Hope they get their just deserts whoever they are
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 5:00:22 PM
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But, Someone has to be there to hear them..
Way back in the early 1990ies, we helped make a C4 television film about this and horse theft (Horse Detectives 1993)..Its surprising what you find out, the Summer Solstice has just passed ( calendars are not quite the same) and this is an important time of the year for some folks calendar, fair maiden and all that stuff, at that time Hampshire was hit hard and ended up with quite a bit included in the film about the ongoing attacks. The police took it all very seriously and I think at least one person was arrested. Attacking a horse is'nt treated the same as attacking a human and at the end of the day you need to catch the person and have good evidence to convict. One thing was sure, the more publicity these actions got, the more took place. There always better safety in numbers get everyone in the area together, make sure you know who your all taking to and take some advice from the police. I can remember one pony in Worcestershire was poisoned with berrys then attacked...Just Googled it and this came up..I'd tend to agree.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2367587.stm |
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Karrera
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 5:46:34 PM
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Did anyone notice my deliberate mistake well, GORDON is old but I really meant 1986
Yes I agree Sue, you do have to have someone there when the geese make a noise. But they are good guard dogs
Jackie
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annas
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 7:06:46 PM
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| Am in a rush but thanks for the replies and Lynda yes there is a family living there! |
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Moosie
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 7:20:54 PM
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| problem with geese is that you really have to lock them up at night (FOXES)they still make a noise but not so intimidating |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 : 8:15:39 PM
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Karrera
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leezee26
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 1:05:28 PM
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Hi guys, nearly two years ago my friends Arab was attacked in the early hours of a Saturday morning in November. The B******ds knifed his face and plunged a knife into his buttock. My friend found him in shock in a pool of blood at about 8am, she called me and to start with the thought someone had done this just didnt cross our minds. The vet was called and Banah was duly treated. When it finally dawned on us what had really happened, we called the polic, newspapers and the local news to make sure all horse owners were on the alert. I slept at my yard for the next week as I was so twitchy! She has got Geese now, but sadly Banah really never recovered from his experience and she made the difficult decision to have him PTS....Never the less the swines were never caught.
I now live on site with my horses and I have 4 Geese and 2 Guinea Fowl..I dont lock any of them up and there are foxes around here. Yes, I lost one of the females when she was nesting, but all foxy wanted was the eggs, she just fought him so he head and necked her leaving her poor body and desecrated her nest, but generally the others terrorise anything that go near them, my dogs and cats included, and boy do they work for unwanted visitors (and expected ones come to that!!) Guinea Fowl are fantastic as although they wont intimidate people they sure let you know when anyone or anything is about, and they will instictively roost way up high at night. I sincerely hope no-one has to go thru anymore attacks, but do keep on your guard, something as trivial as a security light may be enough to make someone think twice about entering your yard. Leighx |
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