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moldequine
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bridie
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 8:06:11 PM
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| whats yours thats probably easier....or your phone number |
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moldequine
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bridie
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CRserbask
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 8:20:56 PM
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| It would be an interesting bit of horse psychology to see if they did reckonise each other!!! Cant wait to see her its her! It would be good for you as she is really well bred. |
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moldequine
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 01:04:58 AM
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| Hold on a bit, She's the wrong colour to be MC Natalie Jabask. MC Natalie Jabask is BAY....... Molde's Mare is GREY. |
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CRserbask
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 09:52:28 AM
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| Molde has started another thread asking if a bay mare can turn flea bitten grey. I didnt think so as she would have been 12+ when she left Pegi but quite a few people have said its possible and that the original colour will be the same as the specks in her coat. Quite a few pictures of horses that have changed. I think the thread is called 'can a bay horse turn flea bitten grey?'. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 11:41:40 AM
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Hi there,
Any coloured horse can turn grey, all it needs is a grey gene past to it from either parent - this gene is dominant so if the horse has it then it WILL turn grey sometime in life. Most foals have 'signs' around their eyes that they will go grey but not always.
My Grey arab would have been bright bay, as she still has black hairs on her legs and the flecks on her body are very very red.
Molde - I took your advice and rang the AHS and they confirmed that the markings for the grey had been lost - they have sent me a new form to fill in - the same day the form arrived someone else from the AHS saying she had the original form and yes they thought she was 'Jabask Al Khora' as the white hoof is in the correct place - but they wanted me to wet down her head and try and draw her blaze better - unfortunately not possible with such a wild animal and I cant just wait for a rainy day as her long forlock hides most of the top of it. So I said I would get some mane hair and send it too them and they would extract the DNA from the blood they have on record, they have sent the forms for this and it is going to cost £96 (and then £100 for duplicate documents) but the only problem is, this test will only prove if she is Al Khora or not, and if she is not it will not prove who she is!! Mollie confirmed that Al Khora went the same way as Crystal Leda so there is a good chance that it is her but it is a lot of money to pay to only find out it is not! I may wait and see if she ever does produce a foal before going to the expense. She had run with my stallion all of this year but I have never seen her in season so I dont hold out much hope, but you never know - she looks in foal but has for since I got her in November 2005! |
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halona stud
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 11:52:54 AM
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Just thought you would like to see some pictures of them taken earlier this year. This years filly has been sold to a talented teenager as a future eventer prospect - if this sale falls through then I wont put her back up for sale but keep her a broodmare - she is a cracker, the best foal of the year! |
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halona stud
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 11:55:37 AM
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halona stud
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 12:02:50 PM
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moldequine
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 12:48:43 PM
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Its very easy to miss a stallion covering a mare if he is running with her. I put a mare in with my friends stallion a couple of years ago and went everyday and so did the stallion owner and we saw nothing but she was in foal  They like to do it late at night or early in the morning lol I would say there is a very very good chance your mare is alkhora as mollie bought her back and she went with the 12 that went to anglesea and there wasnt many greys they were mostly bay. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 12:50:21 PM
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Has she bred a foal before do u know? They look really nice and a cracking foal |
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halona stud
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 2:28:47 PM
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Oh right I didn't realise that most of the 12 were bays! I have just asked Sian and she is 100% sure that she is Al Khora.
My stallion is only a young man and is very amourous - covers them every ten minutes if he gets the chance! Besides she ran with Starling Castle Supreme in 2005, but then so did yours and my chestnut! Last year she was in a field along side my stallion (as the big belly convinced me she was about to foal) and she never showed to him over the fence whereas the chestnut was obviously in season and not in foal - hence us getting her covered last year. But yes there is a chance that he caught her back in March possibly when it wasn't quite so obvious who he was covering and they were in the far field. I live in hope. Nope, I very much doubt she has had a foal before, she was only a yearling back when the stud broke down - then Mollie had her until 2003 I think, I would imagine all the foals that your girl had was before 1998 - but who knows really, looking at her I would say 'No' but I have just found out that a TB mare of mine has had two previous foals and looking at her I would have said 'No' also. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 5:18:50 PM
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She may have silent heats then and not show very well, especially if your stallion is young he may not be exprinced enough to detect her heat if she dosnt show well. We had this problem with a mare last year, she was cycling according to the scans but she didnt show well to the stallion and my stallion was very young and didnt have a clue that she was in season, or she could just need jabbing as she may need a kick start We also covered a maiden this year that was running with our stallion, she would show to him but was too frightened to let him cover her so we had to hold her |
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moldequine
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 5:20:03 PM
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| I hav spoke to sian and she said she still thinks my mare is by tc jabask man out of mc natalie or its possible she could be by estamera out of jabask spinner |
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moldequine
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 5:48:23 PM
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| i also thought my mare was in foal when i got due to her huge stomach, i think it could be because they were all wormy. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 12:55:19 AM
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| Hi Molde, Estamera was born in 1992, his first foals were born in 1995, and all his 9 progeny was registered, so unless your grey mare is much younger than you think, I don't see how he could be her sire. Sue |
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halona stud
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 09:26:44 AM
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I have considered silent seasons but without being able to scan we will not know what is going on.
I am going to bring her in again over this christmas and make a big effort to get on top of her wildness and then if next spring brings no foal at least the vet should be able to dope her (without a dart gun) and she can be scanned. My stallion is pretty good and very persistent, doesn't miss a season usually but he is very wary of her as she certainly looks after herself (and a few others in the herd - she has a lot of stallion tendancies herself - bless) but just maybe there will be a little suprise in spring, she is just so fat that she could hide a foal in there and she doesn't really drop a great deal of weight in the winter, so I guess I'll spend all this winter again looking at her udder!!!
Why had you decided your mare cant be by TC Jabaskman and out of MC Natalie? Is this Sophie's breeding? If TC Jabaskman is still alive (and can be found and owners allowing) maybe you could have his mane DNA tested at £20 (via america) and also your girls and that will definately confirm one way or another if he is her dad. They may even have TC Jabaskman's DNA on file so that you need not bother having him tested. Or if you get her blood tested through the AHS and they can compare it to both TC Jabaskman and MC Natalie, as they are doing for my Crystal Leda - which will be cheaper than the £96 I am having to pay for the grey - mind you the cost for Crystal Leda in full, including producing the passport is £186 so it is not cheap by any means - and if the results are wrong then it is an awful lot of money to pay for nothing!!! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:41:59 AM
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that is my only worry as i cant afford to do it twice so i need to be pretty certain before i do that. I will see if her markings match any of the others first. Sian sent me an email saying she has looked at my new pics and still thinks she is jabask sophie as looks just like her or she said she could be a 95 foal out of jabask spinner and estamera but spinner already has a foal to her in thgat year witch is male.
helona-how old is your stallion?
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halona stud
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 3:41:36 PM
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| The stallion I have this year is a two year old - he's different to the coloured boy I had last year. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 4:36:58 PM
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| mine is a 2 year old I thought that but sian keeps saying she looks just like her but we shall see. If there is no match with the markings then i may have to have her dna`d |
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moldequine
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 4:38:37 PM
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| I am sure she must be one of the older mares as she was well handled when i bought her and her teeth say she is more like 17-20 by two different dentists. |
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