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Adara_Arabians
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 12:55:45 PM
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Hi All,
I have some information that could possibly help you. I own Bint Naterlie out of M C Naterlie two of the missing mares. I also now of Basky and have heard about his dam who is my mares sister. I have been on this trail for nearly 2 years now so have gathered quiet a bit of information. In which i have discovered my mare has both been neglected and illegally sold twice, with this knowledge and the fact she is such a wonderful mare and mother i have promised her she will never ever leave my side i love her more than any human i truely believe.
Basically Pegi (stud owner) did decided to up ship and leave, she did go to Saudi Arabia, however Sian is not her daughter merly someone with email and internet access who works alongside pegi. I talk to Sian daily and both her and I have been trying to resolve this for 2 years.
I can confirm Pegi did not sell the horses to Mr Savage, more that they were illegally sold without there paperwork by her son. (Pegi if your reading Im not ring your dirty laudry, more explaining on your behalf that you didnt sell the mares without papers) Around 60 horses in total were illegally sold and many of them went through a Brightwells sale also and few were in so poor condition we were hopefully if they are still alive. I'm not sure on the circumstance but Pegi found out they were sold a little late, being over there im sure there isnt much she can do.
Pegi and Sian have helped me out in every way they can to ensure i receive my paperwork for my mare which i am now well on the way to doing. A lot of you were slightly lucker than i was, as i wasnt even sure on her papered name its taken me this long to discover what it was before i can speak to the AHS and have a DNA test.
Since speaking with them and identifying the mare, Pegi has said she would help anyway she can to ensure i get my paper work which im sure she would also do you for. Im not sure on Mr Savage or how it comes about but i have owned my mare since January 2005 so im almost positive that she didnt go through him. Please post or email for any questions and i will try and gladdly help if i can
Lauren |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 1:52:58 PM
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have spoke to sian from qatar and she thinks my mare is out of mc natalie out of tc jabaskman, ive got to ring the ahs to confirm. she said all their passports were left with her brother who sold all the horses without their permission. they left the country in 1998!!! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 2:31:23 PM
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| ive just spoke to the ahs and my mare cant be by t c jabaskman as she is too old, if she is out of m c naterlie then she is either a 1988 grey filly by boh bit obask or she is a 1986 grey filly by gg jabask, both could be her ! can anyone find out these fillies names? |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 2:32:39 PM
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Have you looked at MC Natalie Jabask (1986)http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mc+natalie+jabask
I don't have the stud books for that year(s) so I can't check the colour, there are others out of MC Natalie, inc. CR Bint Natalie...
Could Kash look on the data source...
Have you looked on allbreeds..and under progeny...these are the only ones there. May be others...
Horse Color Sex Year Sire Dam Breed
CR BINT NATALIE M 1991 BD KABASK /MC NATALIE -----
LADY BETHANY2 F BOH BIT OBASK /MC NATALIE --Grey
MC NATALIE JABASK F 1986 GG JABASK /MC NATALIE
MC NATALIES FIRE M MC HOPES FIRE /MC NATALIE
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lady+bethany2
Also Jabask Chimenka (1996) Grey Mare. ???For the untouchable mare.
Sue
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 06 Apr 2007 9:34:34 PM |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 2:52:01 PM
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| hi the only two grey fillies out of m c natalie are a 1986 mare by gg jabask and a 1988 mare by boh bit o bask, if sian is sure she is out of m c natalie then she must b one of these two! |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 2:52:54 PM
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| I no the lady that owns the colt out of MC Naterlie Jabask, he is black and now aged 17. The lady that currently owns his has had him for 7yrs and she purchased him from a couple who lived 10miles down the road from Pegi. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:04:39 PM
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| Moldie,There can only be one mare with those fleshmarks, check with AHS now and see if either of these mares have any.. my bet that one pic will confirm...GOOD LUCK....Sue |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:08:32 PM
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| my mare is either ladybethany2 who is a grey 1988 filly or mc natalie jabask who is a grey 1986 filly |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:14:51 PM
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| if she is Jabask then she is the dam of the Bask colt who is now 17. The colt is named Seabask i belive and is Black. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:16:28 PM
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| sian said she thinks she is out of m c natalie so i need her to be more certain, im waiting a reply, i dont want to ring the ahs untill im sure she is out of m c natalie as they are getting fed up of me ringing!! |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:26:03 PM
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Hiya,
Im certain that the colt is out of MC Naterlie. Its worht you calling them how many times you need to this way you get the correct information. I think the only key to this is to do what i did last week. Once you have confimed with them the possibility of two mares you will be able to get a DNA test done. Do both mares have a pink snip the same as this mare? these little keys could be identified on the markings on the AHS data base then get her DNA and then you should somehow get the paperwork. |
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Barabia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:33:29 PM
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Lady Bethany (grey) is born 12 mar 1988 in USA, imp UK 1990. No progeny record. She was the last horse bred at the Stud in USA.
Jabask Chimenka (grey) 1996, bred by Mrs Pegi W Jones.
Bia
Edit: There are no markings display'd for Lady Bethany at AHR!!? Still they say this: Markings graphical displays are only available for AHR horses. Only marking descriptions are available for CAHR, HAHR, AAHR and CPAR horses.
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Edited by - Barabia on 05 Apr 2007 3:40:40 PM |
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 3:49:49 PM
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Jabask Chimenka is out of my mare CR Bint Naterlie. This cannot be her mare as it would only make her 11.
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Barabia
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 4:15:21 PM
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CR SERBASK is still very much alive and in Wales. I have a picture of him just finished a ridden class and apparently although he is black he is now a choclate brown colour and doing well.
I don't no if anyone has noticed his sire is also his grandsire. I think the reason there is two AHS numbers is becasue the paperwork was re applied for. He was purchased by he lady that has him 7yrs ago. She purchased him from a couple that lived 10miles down the road from Pegi just before the stud closed. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 5:14:10 PM
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| my mare cant be m c natalie jabask as she was born in 1982 and was by gg jabask, gg jabask did not come to this country untill 1992!!so m c natalie must have been born abroad! she must be lady bethany!! can anyone get any progency info on lady bethany!! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 5:27:17 PM
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MC Natalie Jabask is Bay according to Barbara, and this mare was imported into UK (Wales)in 1990.
Adara, This mare could be the other younger mare sold with the chestnut...
and now searching breeding for |Grey Mare 1983, Jabask Sakara. |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 05 Apr 2007 8:07:59 PM |
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Barabia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 5:40:50 PM
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All of these horses was born in USA, I think!? I'll check out later this evening. Breeders are listed, so I can give you the names.
Lady Bethany has no registered progeny up to date!
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halona stud
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 8:19:44 PM
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Hi everyone - I've just received this email from Sian about my two girls
Dear Clare
Thank you kindly for your e-mail.
I do recognise both mares. The chestnut mare is out of Diamond Leda x Bru
Bet Seradro, I know that there should be a passport for her in the ownership
of a Miss M E Osborne. The other mare is a daughter of Jacici x Secret
Partner - I am not sure which one she is as there are 2 full sisters. One is
Al Khora Jabask and I am not sure of the other ones name, but she is
registered and if you contact the AHS they should be able to help you.
You see the owner did not know that these horses were sold, that is why they
have gone with out passports - but if you need any help with anything please
let me know as I would be glad to help you.
Kind regards
Sian
Does any of this breeding mean anything to any one?
Well it looks like I now have what I need (apart from specific names) - I would just like to thank everyone for their help in tracing these mares - its much appreciated.
Kind regards
Clare |
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moldequine
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 8:21:41 PM
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| is m c natalie jabask definately bay? mustnt be her then! the arab horse society said she was grey!! |
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moldequine
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Barabia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 9:37:37 PM
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Hi Clare,
The mares are not registrered in AHR yet!
Arabian Horse Progeny for DIAMOND LEDA
3 records found.
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Sire
SILVER LEDA AHSB*17995 1986 Stallion Chestnut WHITE SILVER
GREY DIAMOND AHSB*17996 1988 Stallion Grey WHITE GENERAL
LEDAS GOLD AHSB*30012 1995 Stallion Chestnut BRU-BET SERADRO
The last one is bred by Miss M E Osborne.
Arabian Horse Progeny for JACICI
4 records found.
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Sire
JABASK FARHAN AHSB*21744 1990 Stallion Bay MC GAY BIT
CARA JABASK AHSB*25960 1993 Mare Bay BRU-BET SERADRO
JABASK ELZARA AHSB*30311 1996 Mare Grey SECRET PARTNER
JABASK AL KHORA AHSB*30312 1997 Mare Grey SECRET PARTNER
The last three is bred by Pegi Jones.
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Barabia
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 12:11:48 AM
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Sounds as if you are all almost sorted, Al Khora or Elizara & the chestnut mare Bru Bet Seradros/Diamond Leda.
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Lady Bethany or one of GG Jabask's 900+ children....
http://www.arabs-iowa.com/AFH-GGJabask.htm
& Looks as if Boh Bit isin Arazona...
BOH BIT OBASK (AHR) HAPPERSETT, NEWLIN OR JOYCE CAVE CREEK, AZ |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 06 Apr 2007 12:25:35 AM |
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moldequine
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 12:56:25 AM
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| Sian said she bred the my mare who she thinks is out of m c natalie and that my mare only bred one foal, but my mare had bred alot of foals by the look of her, she looks in foal when she isnt!! and if sian bred my mare then she hasnt come from abroad like lady bethany and mc natalie jabask, unless sian lived abroad when she bred them !! but i dont think she did!! so im still not there with my mares breeding. ive sent my mares vet certificate off to compare with these two mares but i have a feeling she is neither. |
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