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halona stud
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 Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 07:59:31 AM
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The history of these two is that they came to me from John Savage who has Starling Castle Supreme and his herd running up on the North Wales Hills near the shropshire boarder (not far from Oswestry I think). He had them a year or two I think. He had them off a friend who was leaving the country. They were pretty wild when I got them but I think they had been halter broken at one time or other. They are supposed to be very well bred. The Grey is about 9 years old and the chestnut is about 8 years old. And thats all I know about them. Do you know anymore? Any history at all gladly received as we are breeding from them. The chestnut is about 14.2hh and the grey is about 15hh. I think the grey was initially bay but dont know for definate.
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Judith S
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 09:01:15 AM
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Hi Clare
Pleased to see you on AL - hope you get a result!
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halona stud
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 6:44:11 PM
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| Is that the Mr Savage who collects the Donkeys & others (meat trade) |
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halona stud
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pat day
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 09:24:56 AM
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What are stallions are you breeding them to.??
They are nice strong mares, and should have lovely babies.
Good luck with the history. |
       
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Judith S
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 10:31:34 AM
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Wasn't there an Arab stallion that used to run out with mares on the hills in that area - I seem to remember reading an article in Distance Rider (I think?) about a couple of endurance ladies from that sort of area who had Arabs related to him........am wracking my brains to remember the ladies names! The name "Autumn" I seem to think occurs in the horses names????????? Autumn Royal stallion????
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Karon
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 11:35:54 AM
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| Judith - don't know, I can't think they could have belonged to. Was it the woman who put on the Tanat Valley ride, whose name I can't remember at all? Had a nice chestnut gelding that she did a lot with. Autumn Oleandor might have been the gelding (?). Gail Andrews might know if she's still in the area. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 11:46:03 AM
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Yes - we are both thinking of the same woman - Autumn Oleandor was her horse - I can see her face - but like you I just can't remember her name! Another lady in the area had an Autumn horse - Julie/Judy or something?!
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 11:58:47 AM
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| Karon - it's Kathy Latham!!! I know I would remember eventually! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:07:51 PM
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or was it Ann Wallis, I remenber the lady, used to ride in Yellow, The man I recall who collected donkeys came from Cockshutt.
Judith, your not thinking of the Whirlwind horse... |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:10:06 PM
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Not sure about an arab stallion or whether we are talking about the same herd.
Starling Castle Supreme a colour Irish Sport Horse is the stallion that has been running with them in recent years. Unfortunately he mustn't have run fast enough to catch either of my girls as neither had a foal last year.
Last year they were covered by my Colour Dutch Warmblood x and will definately have coloured foals because he is homozygous. This year they will be covered by Cremello Hungarian Warmblood for Palomino or Buckskin foals.
Unfortunately I think I am going to have to sell them as I cant find the time they need as they need a lot more handeling. They no longer cower at the far end of the field and will let me close - I can lead and brush the chestnut but the grey will only let me stroke her whilst she is eating out of the bucket and unfortunately I cant do this very often as I dont have the room to keep them seperate from everyone else. They are beautiful creatures though and I will be sad to let them go. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:21:50 PM
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| The address for John on the passports is Oswestry but he has a few farms I think. The donkeys are at one place, he has the hairy heeled gypsy type cobs at another. And the Irish Sport Horse and his herd run at another, and now I think about it, I think the area is called 'Starling Castle' or has a castle called 'Starling Castle' near it. Lovely spot but I met him at a service station (near oswestry I remember rightly) and followed him for miles up little winding lanes. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:26:58 PM
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| Do you think they came to him through one of the local sales, as I heard the RSPCA had a few Arabs, that they'd taken in, and these got sold through Beeston, I know someone who was at that sale two or three years back and there were mares sold,I think these were older than yours, they bought a stallion 16 or 17 years old and it was thought to be one of Mrs Haywards, Tadsor stallions, the lady who's just died. how long ago did you buy them from John Savage and how long do you think he had them, ..cause if they were from this lot, I could put you in touch with someone. Have you spoken to the RSPCA man in ? blackpool...in case they can help... |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:36:16 PM
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| I bought a couple of his youngsters at Beeston, and went up to the hills to see their parents and thats when he offered me the arabs as they were not thriving that well (chestnut was covered in rain scold) and it was only November 2005. So I said I would have them, and he delivered them about a week later. I have seen him since and he always asks after them but has never been able to get their papers although he did say he'd try. He definately said he'd taken them on to help out a friend who was going bankrupt and leaving the country for Arabia. I'd got the impression that he'd only had them about a year or so. This friend was supposed to want them back but something went wrong - I think this is why he never had their papers. He had their current passports drawn up at his place, so if they had come through Beeston it must have been before the passports laws came in. He was deadly honest though so I do believe the tale. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:41:43 PM
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| So the previous owner could be local or at least someone he knows from around the sales.. and could go back to 2004...this is now into the same timeframe as the horse that went into Beeston...yours might be too young, to be these. On the other hand, there is a great shortage of Part Breds Arabs and colourd's are also in great demand, might be a mistake to part with them before you've seem the foals. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 12:47:10 PM
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| Yes I would say the previous owner was probably shropshire/oswestry/north wales based and either early 2005 or 2004 (ish). I dont know what the mares would have been used for, neither has a stretched bag and therefore I would doubt they have had foals before - and they were so wild that I doubt they were ever that well handled or maybe he had had them longer than he said, or maybe I had wrongly assumed he'd only had them a year or so. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 1:18:27 PM
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Sorry Clare - we've gone off on a tangent rather....about the Arab stallion etc!!
Sue - no Anne Wallace wasn't who I was thinking of. & not Whirlwind either - before then....
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Karon
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 2:28:44 PM
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Did she move abroad....last I heard they were going to - but thats several years ago now!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 12:31:59 PM
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The arabs sold by the RSPCA in Beeston would have been before end of September 2004,I saw the bay Tadsor Stallion in North Wales at the end of September, and it was prior to thatwhen the RSPCA became involved with the Tadsor arabs..I know that there were several mare's sold that same day as the horse,and at least one was grey, but, I thought they were older than yours and in realy poor order...Does the RSPCA person still attend Beeston, might be worth you having a chat to him/her when next there,I think the one's I'm refering to went to Blackpool, prior to sale, does the local vet still check all horses before they are sold, although he's paid by the auctioneer, he might be another one worth a chat, the arabs I refer to, did create a lot of attention, interest and conversation, some might have gone to the meat or for meat money, maybe confirming how they arrived with the dealer. The stallion my pal ended up with had no papers and she failed to get them, due to the way the horses were seized, although she found out exactley who the horse was, after chatting at the sale and a few phone calls. You'll have to go back to Mr Savage and get a few more clue's. Good Luck, wish I had a bit more room I'd be in with a bid....Sue
another thought, could some one check how old the last of the arabs born at Tadsor were. |
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pat ww
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 8:15:12 PM
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I did not know that the RSPCA could dispose of seized horses at auction, especially as they could end up in the meat trade or in an entirely unsuitable homes - and end up worse than when originally seized!
I wish I had know the Tadsor horses were going to end up there, some lovely unrepeatable bloodlines, could have offered them respite until GOOD homes were found.
Still finding it hard to beleive that the RSPCA can SELL a horse they have aquired. How would you go about finding out if thats what they had done, they deserve bad press if they do.
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zara
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 8:40:46 PM
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| Same here Pat, if I'd have known about any Tadsor horses going thru Beeston I'd have been there like a shot! Does anyone have any more info on the bay Tadsor stallion? |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 8:53:15 PM
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Just to add, that these horses (arabs) had no papers to proove their identity, I understand, they were rescued after their owner fell ill and was unable to look after them, this was in 2004 or before and I can't remember the precise details, but, the stallion my pal bought that day in Beeston Market, was believed to be one of the studs stallions, a lovely bright bay with some white feet and in his teens ,If I remember correctly the BHS welfare also became involved.
I think you'll find that Mrs Hayward has been ill for some considerable time before her recent death..... |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 31 Mar 2007 10:27:48 PM |
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Azara
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Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 9:18:15 PM
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| The remaining Tadsor stallions, (3 of them, plus a grey mare, a bay mare and her gelding son) were at livery in Leicestershire in 2004, I do know that for a fact as I saw them there. So unless these were other ones I know nothing about, which is possible and were horses from the Phase 1 rescue by the BHS? |
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