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sazzlepants71
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 United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 11:36:59 AM
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hi there i thought i would start this as :
a: its bound to be contraversal..( spelling!!)
b: curious to know if anyone else out there has cyteks..
some of you may know that not long ago my pba was diagnosed with navicular
he has been on box rest for 6 weeks so far, following also a terrible abcess that was discovered following a x-ray
god i feel like a terrible owner! but i am glad we had the x-rays done & i know what i am dealing with..
anyway , nashy is terribly flatfooted ( previuos farrier has made a mess!! )
we need to sort the heels out shorten the toe , and bring back the 'breakover' point that just cant be done with the tradional 'thin rim ' shoes .
natural balance which we had on already  have been taken off they dont provide enough support to the navicular bone and heel , so we have a softer gel padding in the frog till fill in and alleviate pressure
then a pad bit like a built up shoe to raise
the heels and the cytek on top ( this is fronts only)
the backs are in cytek too, immedialtely my horse is walking correctly i am very happy -
 but i do remember some yrs ago looking at thess shoes ( when i was still showing him ) unfortunatley the opion was made clear to me that this was classes as a 'surgical shoe' and would be frowned upon
i was very disappointed, of course its not!! i wish now i had gone with ,my instincts and shod him then ( 6 yrs ago) perhaps then he wouldnt have been as bad
like most situations in life , there are good! and bad stories..
what suits one wont suit another , however i have studied the websites , vet notes and most impotantly** the conformation of my horse,
this makes sense because of the huge support it gives him
do you think that judges still frown upon this?
and if so why ?
i would love to know reasons , and also ( hopefully ) positive feedback in some cases of people who use these
looking forward to the debate!!
thanks
sazzle
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baxter
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 12:17:38 PM
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This will either prove a very popular subject or won't, be interesting.
I know from an IH point of view, these shoes are looked at negatively...
However, I don't make assumptions on things i haven't tried and this is my story.
I bought a small anglo arab a couple of years ago, he came to me on loan first, shod Cytek on his fronts only and barefoot behind.
He was chosen to be shod this way by his previosu owner, due to him tripping with his front feet.
When i took him home, i could not find a Cytek farrier that would travel to Essex to continue this type of shoeing, and so i chose a method close to this, Natural Balance Shoeing.
One year later, I found he still tripped a little and I decided to change farriers due to Fossie being lame the previous three times he was shod Natural Balance by my farrier.
I was recommended a traditional farrier, who took one look at him and told me he was being shod incorrectly and had been for many years, he had collapsed heels and a toe cut too short to fit the natural balance shoes and this was causing lameness. He also had distorted shaped feet due to his years being shod Cytek (almost boat like feet) with no natural heel growth.
It's taken one year and my horse is now sound after every shoeing , is in lightweight traditional shoes, the tripping is definitely no worse, in fact better i think, and as soon as he was shod without the natural balance , his paces became freerer and more graceful (natural balance shoes , as with cytek are literally too heavy for his light frame and deadened his paces a little)
Sadly due to years of unnecessary remedial shoeing which he didn't need (a years worth from me, ignorantly for which i am entirely guilty and ashamed) I will never be able to have him barefoot (something i would have liked as his feet are very strong)
However , now traditionally shod he is more comfortable.
I will not rule out remedial shoeing should problems like navicular etc arise, although i will now always consult my traditional farrier first before accepting or deciding off my own back to search for alternative methods of farriery.
My other two horses are barefoot and i intend for them to stay that way.
Interestingly, I took him to a local show last year, and chucked him (with his sharer) in an "Best condition in hand" class, the judge dropped him from 2nd place to 5th and question my sharer as to why he was shod in front only and that this was not acceptable and distorted conformation and was in fact bad for them.
Utter rubbish in my mind , and this horse (although unregistered) does very well at local level showing and unaffiliated and the odd affiliated dressage competitions.
You are completely right in saying what works for some, doesn't for others... with regards to showing, as i only show at local level (with my anglo), i'll avoid judge who said this about my horse, and stick with all the other judges that seem to love him!
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joanna_piana
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 12:49:43 PM
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| Our yard farrier is a Cytek farrier and most of the horses on our yard now have Cytek and it has worked brilliantly for all of them. However like normal farriers there are good and bad and I think this is what you have to watch for. We are lucky we have the original Cytek farrier who is extremely good although he has parted from the guy who set this up in the UK in the first place. Now interestingly he is quite anti the natural balance shoes and says it does the damage mentioned above so who knows! Obviously any farrier is going to defend his own way of shoeing and needs to believe they are doing the right thing so like anything else it's very difficult to know what is best. All I can say is that Shida used to trip and go down on her knees and since having the Cytek shoes she doesn't. Who do you have Sarah out of interest cause I don't think you're that far from me are you? I have Warwick. |
      
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Edited by - joanna_piana on 19 Jan 2007 1:02:29 PM |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 1:12:48 PM
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hi jo..i go to chobham forge & have david collister, i am pleased they have worked for you
but , like you have rightly pointed out sometimes its not just the shoe..but more the hand that'wields' it so to speak
i think that hasnt helped in my case..these shoes were picked out under vetinary advice using x-rays etc..so i am hoepful this is the answer but in baxter's case it wasnt the answer..
i had a lot of different opinions on this , and its a shame that people are of closed minds.. in the showring..be really interesting to see once this is available on the open market how many other farriers will train and start using |
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sub
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 2:05:02 PM
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Hi Sarah,
I used the same sort of shoe's as Cytec for years - never caused a problem with showing.
IMHO - if the show fits, the horse walks straight and evenly - then what is the problem.
It wouldn't bother me in the judging capacity.
Stick to your guns girl and do whats best for my buddy!!
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 4:13:37 PM
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hiya thanks sub !
but just wondered what the AHS opinion would be & other's.... if you cant post on open forum plse email me @ sarahnundy@postmaster.co.uk
any points will be entirely confidential if they are 'against' the showring ..this is useful in feedback for my farrier as well thanks!
but to continue..! would love to hear other peoples views on this , thanks for replying so far!! xx
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Pauline
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England
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 9:38:49 PM
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David Collister is an excellent farrier.
He exports the Cytek shoea all over the world.
To be able to shoe using Cytek shoes the farrier needs to go on a special course to be able to use the shoes.
Cytek shoes do not work on all horses (and yes I have seen horses go lame using them) but have also seem some excellent results with horses that have navicular.
AS for showing using Cytek shoes I would not know as I do not do ridden showing.
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Pauline Higgs
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www.thegentlestouch.co.cc
www.endurancegbmidsouth.co.uk
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 06:32:20 AM
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| hi pauline , yes david is a brilliant farrier i am soooo pleased with the work he has done so far ! |
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blissy
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