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mair
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 Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 6:23:11 PM
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Having just read the AHS news we wonder if us at Blackbridge Arabians
and Bychan Arabians went showing at all this year,
We would have thought Abi`s results in six "C" shows
which include a Supreme show Champion, a Senior female Champion
Junior female Champion and five reserve Champions, and numerous placings, considering Abi is only sixteen and competing at the top
level against Pro Handlers with BRITISH bred horses it would have been good PR to encourage other youngsters,and breeders,
Bychan Arabians had the highest placed British Horse in Aachen,
And Grenade was a big winner in Moorsele,
And no mention of Psynergy as a leading sire,
That is without their wins in the UK.
The Invisible Studs
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mair
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 7:13:27 PM
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What I want to know is.
Will the INVISABLE WELSH be VISABLE in PARIS this weekend, if so
tell them Bobby is comeing to SEARCH them out.
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Mike Ashmore
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England
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 7:15:33 PM
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That's one thing I would not call the Welsh "INVISIBLE"
Our Celtic brothers have achieved a lot in Arab breeding and showing and lets be honest per head of population they are a very successful country.
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Roseanne
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 7:20:49 PM
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Hello Blackbridge, this is Banbury...
I agree, it would be great to promote Abi as a fantastic example of a teenager reaching for the top in Arab showing.
Why not let us use the Pony article? You're welcome to the photos and I can rewrite away from the kids' style to a more sedate piece suitable for the AHS News. Happy to oblige if you'd like it. I'm sure the magazine would be grateful for another success story. They do rather depend on submissions from owners/breeders etc to contribute articles. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 7:40:14 PM
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Oohh Mike, welcome to the lines what luck for us to has such a distinguished Arabian pro to join all our discussions  The Welsh have never been invisible , I see them all the time in magazines obviously your wins will have been recorded, so dont worry with several pix of Nick in the magazine plus loads of result mentions ,you are still high profile Abie will have her day |
   
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Nick
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 12:25:24 PM
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Hi all, it is hard to support the Young, Amauteur,and Breeders,
when Mair posts a thread like this and four brave souls answer
and 180 odd read it,and make no comment,How many of you in Abi`s place would have liked a photo in the AHS news open it up thumb through and find nothing,Maybe we should have advertised it means more than achevement
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jackie k
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Wales
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 12:33:05 PM
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Hi Nick
Yes it is hard to reply when the first post reads that there are only two studs in Wales that show horses!!!!
Please do not forget that there are alot of people in Wales who own and show arab horses both on the "circuit" and locally with alot of success both in hand and ridden.
I understand that we need to publicise the amateurs and young handlers and perhaps it may be a good idea if you contact the Arab Horse Society and ask them to do a page on amateur, young handlers, young riders, breeders etc. - not just singling one person out but a general section as they have a junior membership, why do they not do a junior page/pages???
I will add my congratulations to Abi who I think has come a long way in a short time and is very lucky to have both you and Mair for support, there are alot of people out there who wish they could be so fortunate.
All the very best to you all at Blackbridge and will hopefully see you at the dinner where if you want to shout at me you can!!!!
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Sheena
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 12:44:58 PM
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Hi Nick,Mair & Abi,
I have posted on the other thread about the AHS Yearbook to say that I was really disapointted that there was no write up on Amatuers - after all the hard work that was put in to promote it, and those of us who worked our socks off to get swept up in the wave - train, travel miles and take the huge step to go in the ring and compete against professionals. Dont get me wrong I have had a fantastic year myself with Kabali - and watching Emily and Sheena, another Amatuer beat professionals nearly everytime out - i wouldn't have changed a thing. But it would just have been really nice to have had some mention somewhere to be proud off.
So I feel for Abi, - becasue she has worked mega hard to have herself accepted, she has been lucky to compete with some beautiful Blackbridge horses, but like the rest of us her results were never pre determined - it's hard work at home as Nick and Mairs famous Rosette Quote always reminds me. She has had a fabulous season with fantastic results - yet no write up, and like you say not one picture - yet there are pictures of other horses 2/3 times throughout the magazine??? Maybe you would have been encouraged to advertise Abi's resluts and achievements had you of been contacted and asked to contribute to an article!! I know I would.
I don't feel like we should HAVE to advertise to make achievments known - surely a breed society should be doing that on our behalf to encourage us to continue and to help make all the success just that bit sweeter.
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SueB
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 12:48:31 PM
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How could anyone imagine the Welsh are invisible.....as Lynda say's you are so high profile Nick how can we miss you?
As for Abi, maybe the answer is for whoever takes over as editor of the the News, they might consider, as suggested, a page for juniors........what a good idea. Or, to promote a young handler each time or to promote a new British stud.....(Are there any?)
What is needed is more of 'us' to support our own AHS magazine and make it viable by putting adverts in it.
I know we all moan at the costs, but even one ad a year is something. This would then allow whoever is editor, to do all these other promotions, by way of editorials.
I got my voting papers through, and it looks as though there is a vacancy for someone to do this job (Editor of the News).......now they will be a very brave soul indeed, whoever put's thier head on the block by being the editor
We look forwards to seeing Abi next season, out with all your lovely horses, and in the magazines too.
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Jilly
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 1:15:31 PM
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Nick, I saw Abi for the first time at Myerscough areana and she caught my attention immediatley, she looked so profesional I thought she had come from abroad, credit to her at 16 to take on the pro's and make her mark in just 1 season, she obviously loves what she does and I'm sure we all look forward to seeing her in action next year.
But..... there are many many ametuers and up and coming handlers in the jr section, who i'm sure feel the same way as you do, Yourself, Mair and Abi are well known by all but the complete newcomer, so you certainly have not gone un-noticed, as many who put just the same effort into showing, training and producing will do.
I don't quite understand where bravery comes into things, people either want to reply or they don't!! no bravery required. |
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Nick
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 1:16:08 PM
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Jackie it should never be hard to reply, it was never meant to be there are only two studs in Wales There are very few Welsh
Arabians on the show circuit and i am proud of them all,And every one as supported Abi,I did ask for a story about Abi for the summer edition but was told it would be a leg up and unfair to others,
But the yearbook might be more suitable and list her results and a story but the finacial restraints meant if we had a full page advert
we could have half page of text,A option we did not take and accept,
But in the show round up a picture for achevment would been nice and good PR for the Arab Horse encourage people to have a go themselves
rather than run straight to a trainer if they are fit enough to do itthemselves,
As for Abi being fortunate how many more Abi`s are out there given the chance the hardest thing is handing her the Horses and not seeing Rhodri show them as you know in the short term the results will be tougher to come by there was no way we could have expected this years results,and have no doubt 2007 will be a tougher year,
Of course i am singling Abi out such is human nature but also to my share to encourage others my write up for Malvern showed that,
Read the part of the Malvern show report the Gelding classes were so good but how many lines did they recieve??
Nick I will not shout to busy dancing
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Moosie
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 1:44:02 PM
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| lots of people read posts and dont reply if the content is not their "thing" (ie showing and especially after all the recent furore on AL which would certainly be enough to put lots of people off for life even if they were vaguely interested in the first place!) No offence whatsoever but if you dont have anything informed, helpful,knowledgeable or constructive to reply to something you usually dont do it. After all, do YOU reply to posts on subjects which are many miles away from your world and upon subjects about you know nothing? |
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Moosie
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 2:09:49 PM
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| ps Nick - should have added that I have no idea who you all are - except, presumably, showing people, and good luck to you as you are obviously very dedicated to what you do BUT the 180 people who havent replied are probably from another world! |
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wizzy
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 2:31:12 PM
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To repeat what I put on the other topic, unfortunately, due to lack of advertising revenue, I couldn't include everything that I wanted to and had to pull some pages and there's never enough room for as much as there should be anyway.
Dear Mair, may I remind you that I offered you a half page write-up about Abbi? When Nick kindly wrote his piece for the magazine, I reiterated that she could have a half page, but no article was forthcoming, so unfortunately I couldn't put one in.
Perhaps the next issue could concentrate on Wales more |
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 3:26:09 PM
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As Moosie has said, I am one of those people from a different world. Even though I have 3 arabs of my own, I have not yet started formal showing, hope to next year though. I am still learning. I have never met you Nick or your wife, although you were pointed out to me at the Silverdale Open Day.
You must indeed be very proud of Abi, and jolly good luck to her in the future, we will no doubt be hearing lots about her and hopefully in other Arab magazines as well. It can indeed be disheartening when no mention is made of your achievements, but just imagine how the rest of us feel, I feel positively insignifcant to a lot of people I have met in the Arab World.
At least many people here on the lines know who you are, and Nick I do thoroughly enjoy all your write-ups/articles.
Good Luck Abi, and here's to a brilliant 2007. Forgive me for asking, Mair and Nick, but is Abi your daughter?
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Jilly
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 4:55:28 PM
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I would just like to add, anyone who does'nt know Nick Mair and Abi, do go and say Hi to them, their hospitality is second to none, and their advice is interesting. Wonderfull large personalities. |
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jackie k
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 6:46:49 PM
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Thanks for your reply Nick and for your punishment I might have to dance with you!!!!!
On Friday last week we went to the Midlands to Coleshill Heath Riding Club Presentation Dance as my god-daughter was receiving some trophies. It was wonderful to see so many children attend this disco with a buffet put on by the parents and a venue the village hall.
During the evening after the presentation a young girl (9 years of age) took hold of the microphone and announced to the room that it had been decided that they were going to start a junior committee so that they could let the adult committee know what they would like to do etc. etc.
How wonderful - youngsters WANTING to take a part in keeping a local riding club (been in existence at least 27 years) going into the future.
My point - after rambling - is why can't the AHS look at a junior committee who could report back to the main committee. They could have a section in the magazine then to promote the juniors.
If we want to go a bit further how about an amateur committee - or at least someone to take on the representation of the amateurs, who could then report back again to the main committee.
As we all know it is a thankless job organising anything - we all think we can do better, but we dont do it!!!
Maybe the AHS needs to sit down and look at the areas it promotes and maybe get representatives of all these areas to report each time for the book (not alot of work really as only have 3??? issues) - or maybe we just need to get up off our bums and send some articles to the AHS or anyone of the excellent magazines/internet sites that we all enjoy.
Remember if we dont promote ourselves and horses no one else will!!!!
Jackie
PS Wizzy Wales doesnot want special treatment, just to be treated the same as everyone else
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Nick
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 7:37:26 PM
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Hi Wizzy the point is being missed here for my sins and maybe my buildi am high profile,That is why this point is being brought up
any sixteen year old in her first season,competing at this level with
British bred,and home bred Horses should not need any body to PR for her,the results should do that,
Yes i realise money makes the World go around to a certain extent
but as they are seeing in Europe a handful of owners with expensive
horses, big hair trainers is not enough to make a show they are running out of atmosphere no grass roots atmosphere, and i see the UK
heading that way if we are not careful,Step in the youngsters the small stud owner, the amateur, But where are they mentioned who fights their corner,
My big worry we end up with just the top of the pyramid no base to speak off,
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Rebecca Brazier
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 8:16:42 PM
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I think that you should be incredibly grateful for the countless hours and sleepless nights that Caroline has put into the magazine. She has devoted her time and energy and given up a great deal to be Editor with not a lot of help or support.
Starting a thread like this is disrespectful to say the least........I beleive that the post of Editor is now vacant, why don't you put your name forward for the post and lets see what kind of job you do? |
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pathannay
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 8:19:58 PM
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Hi Nick
I know a little how you must be feeling - not quite as acomplished as Abi but two years ago I won the Princess Muna Saddle of Honour with Woodlay Angelika. She was the first black mare to have won this class and the whole group was owned or bred by me (with the exception of Woodlay Angelika). This was mentioned in the Arab News but it was reported wrongly!!!!! The credit was wrongly given to the breeder of Woodlay Angelika who sold her to me as a foal and my name was not mentioned at all. Talk about having the wind taken out of your sails! I was dreadfully disappointed and did ask if it could be put right and possibly an article put in - the majority of the winners of this title in the past have been large studs not little people like me and, as you say, I thought they would like the opportunity to promote the smaller Arab owners. All they did was put a very small correction in the next edition. I still feel gutted about it.
Well done to Abi - she was done amazingly this year and I am sure she will do as well iif not better next year.
Pat
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jaj
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 8:36:03 PM
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Completely off-topic I know, but Pat your horses look absolutely stunning! I remember you winning the Princess Muna Saddle and all the horses were/are breathtaking. 
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Roseanne
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 8:43:14 PM
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I think in many ways this thread goes to the heart of the issue about the AHS News.
It is the documentary magazine for the Arab world in Britain. It is collected and seen as the definitive record of what is happening in our specialised section of the Arab world.
The problem is that - for a whole raft of reasons which I hope we will all be acquainted with by the new administrator of the AHS, once he has got his feet under the table - there is no real investment in the magazine. It is the single thing many members of the AHS keep paying their £49 a year for since they devour it and preserve the lovely, glossy, heavy issue in their collections.
It is expensive to produce and very expensive to post to individual members, but it seems to be treated as a 'free newspaper', with an editor who donates their time free, for the good of the charity. That just can't happen. It is a professional job for someone who knows about content and publishing and is remunerated for taking on responsibility for ensuring the quality, breadth and depth of stories is produced twice (or even six times?) a year.
Caroline has spent vast amounts of energy, influence and enthusiasm producing great issues since she took on the job. She deserves a medal for what she's done. She's made it look easy, and it's not...
With the budget she had she has had to procure articles that will satisfy people, free of charge, with photos, probably free of charge. She's had to promise people free editorial in order to get the advertising she needed to pay for the production and printing. Going round like a cub reporter seeking out the stories about individuals gaining glory just hasn't been possible.
Those who know about publicity know that you DO have to take the initiative. You either have to pay a publicist to shout about your successes (why did Margaret Thatcher employ Tim Bell or the Saachis?), or you have to have a news angle that no one can ignore.
Those of us who just do well, need to get publicity wise... That's why I wrote an article explaining how people could do this in a previous AHS News. (Yes, I did it for nothing because I wanted Arab owners to know how to promote the breed and their own success with a step-by-step guide to how to do it). I would be happy to give that text to Paula and Sean for their magazine too if they want it.
I'm afraid in this world, you have to sell yourself if you want people to know about you.
Having said all that, I particularly wanted to do an article about a young handler, and Abi was the perfect candidate. She got two pages with Nick and Mair's Arabs in Pony Magazine at the beginning of the season. We can reproduce that article anywhere if anyone wants.
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Nick
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 8:51:36 PM
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Rebecca it is not about knocking Wizzy far from it,It is about missing the important thing for me the smaller studs,
Wizzy as she says her hands were tied due to finanical restrictions
without adverts the Magazine gets smaller,
Getting the balance right will never be easy,The AHS is not a bottomless pit of Money,But something should be done to get the grass roots back on track,And one way is to encourage people,And the News is the AHS flagship,And can you imagine the boost a young, or Amuteur
handler would get seeing their picture in the news,
Maybe i was wrong stating Abi`s winnings and expecting a Photo,
It would have been more fitting to have a random picked shot of someone enjoying their Horse no matter where they were placed,
Better than a parade of Champions, give the message everyone can enjoy Arabian showing
Nick |
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Tahir
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 9:29:52 PM
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Firstly, I would like to say that, although it would have been lovely to see Abi and the Blackbridge horses in the AHS magazine, it wasn't necessary, as we have all seen how well she shows your beautiful horses and appreciate how talented she is and how far she has come and in such a short time - WELL DONE ABI!!!!!
Would also like to agree that sometimes the AHS Mag really doesn't give the Amateur owner the coverage they deserve. I spent many years showing my stallion in the 80's, he won many major shows and championships and was never mentioned once in the AHS magazine, unless it was a "paid for" advert. He did however, get many mentions and photos in the Horse & Hound!!!!
I also agree with Nick, that encouragement should be given at grass roots, afterall, these youngsters will be the guardians of our beautiful Arabians in the future.
I know the magazine needs to be cost effective, and it takes an enormous amount of work and time to publish, but surely a page portraying Amateur handlers/owners enjoying their horses at shows would be beneficial to all??
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