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Roseanne
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 Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 10:03:49 PM
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True Carla, but it is unlikely to happen until the AHS decides that there should be 'searching' coverage to reflect Arab breeding and showing - rather than the publicity of those who pay - and that they decide to stump up the money to pay for staff to produce that kind of magazine. It's up to them.
If you choose to have a 'free' paper, you have to rely on those who give you articles for free. But then you don't get a real mirror of the Arab world of that time... |
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Tahir
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 10:50:30 PM
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Would it not be easy to submit amateur photos, without a title or description, of home-produced or home-bred horses via the internet, with a nominal fee if published. The decision on published photos could be taken by a "Junior Committee", as suggested by jackiek. At least the younger members would be unbiased, and it would give them an insight into (possible) future judging.
I am no expert in this field and I really appreciate the amount of work that goes into producing a magazine of this calibre, BUT by including the younger generation and giving them a certain amount of responsibility will surely reap benefits in the future IMHO?? |
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SueB
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 08:08:42 AM
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This thread was started to highlight the concern about no mention of Abi and her brilliant results over 2006.
Now it seems to turn to the small stud owner being left out too.
The year book did seem to concentrate on Malvern, and as we know Blackbridge could not show horses at Malvern. It was up to the individual groups to send in reports and photos for each C show, or so I understand.
Now, I was very disappointed that my group didn't send in an article or many photos of our group show this year....Bicton C show.
Our horse was supreme champion and another was reserve reserve supreme, shown by Amanda Holloway who is another 'new' young handler wanting the limelight please. No mention for her here.
I did notice some photos of Home produced champions in the year book, how lovely this is, and yes one even has Nick presenting the trophy
To say that small studs need more exposure and promotion is entirely up to that small stud. I have always, for as long as I can remember, promoted by way of advertising in our magazines, because I believe in the power of advertising, and I do want to support our society too. This is my way of doing so.
What may surprise some of you is that at any one time I never have more than 6 Arabs at home. So I class myself as a very small stud.
I would think that Abi must be feeling quite embarrissed at this attention now. I do hope she will enter next season with her head held high and reap her rewards with the integrity she has always shown |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 10:18:31 AM
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The thing is Sue that if coverage in the yearbook or the AHS Magazine depends on people investing money in advertising, you're not getting a reflection of Arabs in the UK in 2006. You're getting pictures of Arabs owned by people with enough money to advertise them, and that's something quite different.
All publications, I believe, unless they give up and admit they're just advertising 'trade' mags, need to try to produce some unbiased reporting of how the Arab community exists and the state of play in the Arab world in Britain as of now. That means they will have to foot the bill for production of the magazine.
For example, it would be easy to find out from the C show organisers who the photographers are. The photographers (who I guess are doing the job lucratively) could be asked as part of their agreement with the regional groups who engage them, to supply pictures of the champions at least as part of the deal. Those then should be directed to the magazine for inclusion in a round up of the top results. The groups would have to get their act together and at least send in results, if not a report. People want to see their success and it is a good, lasting reflection on the year's activity.
If the photographers found that too much to do, then the AHS should consider discussing an affordable rate to have use of their photos.
Advertisers will always want to advertise, for their 'ego' as Princess Alia so aptly put it, and to advertise their studs, stallions and offspring. So there shouldn't be any drop in advertising revenue.
And then, people who want to submit other articles could have their pieces considered by an editorial team who would fairly choose stories or useful features for use.
Decent write-ups of Malvern/Towerlands are essential and the AHS should also give space to the kind of educational article Keren wrote on Cushings. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 10:21:17 AM
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| PS My strongest view is that the magazine should not be used for people to have unbalanced publicity (paying to have their horse featured - except as a proper advert) in place of more widespread reports and features of horses, handlers and riders whose performance justifies the space. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 10:55:06 AM
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I advertised this time mainly to support the magazine ,as I have the arabianlines magazine also, I am not rich, but I think we need to use it or loose it as I have said before, My stallion is NOT standing at public stud so the only thing I have to advertise is a couple of offspring and frozen semen. I didnt need to do that because I could have used the for sales pages here which bring more results than any magazine to my mind so if you are looking for free advertising by getting coverage, be prepared to cough up occasionally ( ok time for the helmet) |
   
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CINDERS
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 11:05:49 AM
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I have read this thread and whilst I agree that more needs to be done to promate the amateur I am afraid that to me Abi is not a true amateur in that she has had world class horses handed to her to show which she has of course done well. An article about her successes would have gone some way to encouraging other but the main bebeficiary would have been Blackbridge Arabians who would have had free publicity for their wins which other have had to pay for.
I thought the magazine was excellent and can see nothing wrong in people being encouraged to pay for promotion of their stock. Profit from the advertising revenue then being used for other articles and reports from the groups etc.
As regards the groups some may be lucky to have the support of their membership and even someone who can write a good article, others have more limited resources and we do submit our results to the AHS etc anyway.
We will discuss with the editor but an idea we have for the smaller less affluent breeder is for our group to take a block of advertising and to include smaller spaces for local breeders. This would need the support of the local breeders as the group would need to make a charge. IS this something that other groups would consider.
Well done Caroline and the rest of the team, I thought you did a good job and we have discussed how hard you worked.
Yvonne
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SueB
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 11:40:53 AM
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I agree with Yvonne here too and Lynda, very valid points made.
I could have had some editorial I suppose, but it never crossed my mind to ask, I hope my ad gave the chance for something else to be published.
It's all fair and well expecting photographers to submit this photo and that from every show, but the little I do know when I used to help Val on the magazine, it just doesn't work like that I'm afraid. To pull it all together is ones worst nightmare.
Thankfully we have Sadika who is a gem for any magazine and Pleasure prints too, but other photographers it can be a real problem.
Then we also go into the problem of copyright, will the owner like the photo chosen, oh how it goes on....
Roseanne with someone who has your abilty maybe you should look at applying for the editors job?
I do really feel that our magazine has given an unbiased view, especially with the limited funds available and hands tied to do so.
I feel it wrong to say that anyone advertising is doing so for an ego boost and they have lots of money, nothing could be more negative in my mind than that statement.
I am not rich, I have only a few horses, but I know no one will promote me or my horses unless I advertise them.......so I do. End of story. No hidden agenda here, just plain advertising.
What I find almost embarrassing is people who come on here to promote themselves, or thier stud, through a supposedly innocent post. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 1:22:57 PM
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I think I've used the wrong word when I said 'ego', It can be used as another word for conceit and an exaggerated sense of your own self-importance (which I think you thought I meant Sue) and also having pride in oneself - self-esteem, which is what I DID mean! Sorry for the careless use.
The problem with most Arab magazines over the last few years is that they have had no one to actually write articles for them cos they couldn't pay! For those who find it difficult to put their thoughts and experiences into words it's meant they have been silent in spite of their successes. And the result was that the magazines have become very one-dimensional - people praising themselves and their friends, when what should have been appearing is a third-person, objective report with expert opinion to inform people.
does have journalists writing which is excellent and they are getting very popular as a result of producing a more professional job.
I've always thought the AHS News was sought worldwide as THE official document relating to the UK Arab scene, and therefore it is the duty of the AHS to produce something that is not skewed by being reports by people who have bought the space along with an advert. (Not that they don't deserve publicity, only that it should be in addition to the other stuff, not instead of it.)
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CINDERS
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 1:23:45 PM
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Here Here Sue.
Like you I have limited funds and have to spend it wisely hence no advert this time for me.
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Nick
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 6:40:07 PM
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Roseanne you have grasped my point there as to be a balance,
Free publicity i knew this would open a can of worms but it needs opening,My first post should be read again it is not all about Abi,
We have always tried to support young people and support amuteur classes, The AHS is made up mainly of one and two Horse owners,
the days of the big studs are gone, they are the AHS, but so little is done,
It is a tough World and the AHS council to a great job work many unpaid hours,But we are in a vicious circle the less adverts the more expensive they become, More adverts the cheaper they become but some how and it is not for the want of trying we loss the grass roots,
There is a large part of this the Grass roots not helping themselves,
so it will be good to talk and argue faint heart never won fair maiden,We have been talking about how many exhibitors have come and gone in the last 25 years just in Wales, people our age group and younger, We stopped counting at 50 to depressing, Local shows have all but Vanished, and some "C" shows are poorly supported, Another worrying factor we are seen by many as "Elitist"
As for Abi with Blackbridge Arabians, Sonia her mother made an interesting point she as a Arab horse loving daughter,she read the books and been to the shows and made the point without us how would she have coped straight in at the deep end in open classes,
The point as been made Abi is not a Amauteur because her Horses were established show Horses, which is not entirely true two have never won a class before she had them, This thinking is one of the reasons
Amuateur classes never get of the ground,but we self regulated and did not go "pot hunting"
We are prepared if there is no clashes of classes to offer our Horses to young Handlers in Malvern anyone interested let me know oraelninio@aol.com i hope that is not seen as free PR for us,
Maybe the time as come for a large hike in AHS membership promoting new ideas is not cheap this might seem crazy but the bigger studs usally pay one membership, if the grass roots want more and they are the majority if this money funds things for them it will be well spent
Nick
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Chris James
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 7:51:08 PM
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| I've been sitting on my hands for so long - saying don't, don't...but there are so many mis-conceptions being posted that I have to reply. So I'm going to start a new thread ... Sorry if I've hijacked this! |
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Abi
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 3:35:32 PM
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Sue i would just like to say i am NOT embarassed the word is disappointed!! There was pages in the magazine which were dedicated to 'some champions from around the shows' and i thought being champion twice and supreme champion i would of had a picture!
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 3:47:27 PM
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Abi your turn to be in the spotlight will come I'm sure of that. You have a lot of talent and have a good feel for your horses.
You have had a great debut season and you will be at the sharp end of the line a lot next year. Even I am thinking of making a return to the ring next year.
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Abi
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 4:16:27 PM
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Mike everyone at Blackbridge Arabians would LOVE to see you one spot below me in the line up lmao!! You have been a brillant teacher this year and i would like to Thank You! ( We will grind them down boy)
Love Abi
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 4:20:55 PM
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Abi
I may have taught you a lot but there is still some magic left in this tired a battered body lol |
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Sadika
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 5:18:26 PM
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My Dear Sadika.
I am back on the straight and narrow so prepare yourself next year when I make my come back!!!!! |
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 5:23:09 PM
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| Oh forgot to tell you. I have a lovely yearling filly a 10 year old mare and a HOT 3 year old colt. That will do for now I guess. |
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LYNDILOU
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Abi
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 7:47:07 PM
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Paula how about a story on Snow Dove and her girls
Abi Blackbridge how long have i got |
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mair
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Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 8:39:25 PM
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Mike how about a clash of the Vetrans ten year old Mares at dawnWe will grind the youngsters down boy
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Stevie
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Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 10:50:54 AM
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Hi Mike,
Great your well,and coming back to the ring,
We'r back next year after 5 1/2 years in Spain.
It'l be like old times.....eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stevie x x(Steph) x x |
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 11:09:42 AM
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Hi Stevie
It will be like old times, except the mind is still young but the body is not. But I will give it my best shot with the horses I have. Looking forward to seeing you again. |
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Stevie
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Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 11:19:46 AM
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Come on Mike..... your'l never be old
Yep I cant wait,.....Hav'nt showen the horses over here,
or breed a foal since I sent Sudan back to the UK,
But wot fun I have to look forward to,have a great Christmas and
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