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Annie Oakley
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 Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 4:38:56 PM
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Hi All.
You're not going to believe this one! Please read on!
Several weeks ago a good friend of mine purchased an Andalusian colt foal. She paid in full for it and it was immediately transfered into her ownership. As she was unable to accomodate the foal at the time, the breeder agreed she could leave it with her for the duration.
During that time the breeder asked my friend if she could hot brand the foal with her own brand. My friend asked what it entailed and was told that a vet would come and sedate the foal and anaesthatise the area to be branded. The farrier would then do the branding as he was somewhat expereienced in these matters. Not seeing to much harm in that, my friend agreed that this procedure could be carried out.
My friend was informed that the branding had been done this last weekend but added it was " a bit of a mess". It was revealed that the breeder had a visitor who fancied himself as some sort of "John Wayne". He said that he would love to hot brand a horse so after practising on a piece of wood, proceeded to "brand" my friend's colt. NO VET! NO SEDATION! NO NOTHING!.
Obviously the colt jumped when he applied the hot brand. making it skew wiff. Not satisfied with that he had another attempt, making an even bigger mess.
As you can imagine my friend was utterley distraught. She collected her colt immediately and called the vet. He in turn informed the RSPCA.
My friend was told that is not illegal to hot brand, however they were going to visit the breeder and give her a warning for causing unnecessary suffering.
Surely this can't be right in this day and age!!!
Does anyone have anymore info on hot branding legislation?? The breeder cannot see what my friend is so upset about. I do know what I would personally like to do to her with a red hot branding iron???
Cheers
Ann
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Edited by - Annie Oakley on 25 Nov 2006 2:33:10 PM
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madmare
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 4:59:20 PM
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Sadly, it is a common practice with Andalusians, and also Hanoverians, British Warmbloods..basically any warmblood breed...a stud near me breeds andalusians, and they are all branded...I agree though, can't be very nice, but if done under properly controlled circumstances, then it is a useful aid in defining a horse's breed, and also, in the case os stallions, many have a separate brand after passing certain gradings or performance tests...this helps to ensure the quality of the breed, kind of giving them a "seal of approval" or guarantee.
In some cases, say a grade 1 branded mare, can only go to a grade 1 branded stallion...seems to ensure some kind of genetic passing on of talent. |
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paul_exe
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 5:18:08 PM
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I wonder how long this "said" person would stand still if she had a red hot poker stuck to her arse! Not long I guess. This should be banned..........
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Edited by - paul_exe on 16 Nov 2006 3:51:02 PM |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 5:22:43 PM
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| I too think it's an outdated, cruel and unnecessary practise now we have microchips. I have an Andalusian (unbranded!) but he was bred in the UK and it's mainly the Spanish studs that do it. It has no other purpose than to have the 'G' for Gucci or HS for Halsdon Stud prefix there for all to see. Poor colt - appearance now ruined because of this cowboy. |
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Zoe Tyzack
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 6:13:16 PM
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Unbelievable.
Where is the common sence these days?????
What a P**ck.
Glad to hear the RSPCA are involved and hope they do go ahead and do this guy,but what on earth was on the breeders mind.
Truely unbelievable
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zara
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 6:17:46 PM
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Exmoor ponies were shown being hot branded on the BBC2 programme about exmor last week.
Suprisingly it didnt seem to bother them at all and the TV presenter touched the branded surface immediately after branding to show thatthe pony felt no pain. Personally I dont understand how this works but it appeared to be an ok procedure. However the brander was experienced and the iron at a "correct" temperature. I suspect your colt may have been hurt due to incorrect knowledge on the part of the people doing the branding.
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zara
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 6:18:47 PM
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| Anyway well done for getting this reported. hopefully the t**t wont try to do anymore animals. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 6:24:56 PM
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| What kind of bloke actually gets some kind of satisfaction out of holding a red hot brand to an animal's skin? Sounds perverted to me... |
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Lori
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 6:43:30 PM
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I'm with you Paul, hold this "person" down and stick it where the sun don't shine, see how they like it. How medievel and cruel can some people be!  |
     
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lovehorses
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 7:43:34 PM
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| I have 2 andi youngsters, the colt was bred here in the uk and is not branded but the filly was bred in france and is branded, i hope it was done by trained persons over there!! |
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Moira
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 7:49:15 PM
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When I bought Grem I was told the I could have him branded as he is a British warmblood. Needless to say, 7 years later he is still unbranded. I used to have a Bavarian warmblood (my friend still has his half sister) and they were both branded with a "B" and a number when we got them. You can hardly see the brand except when their coats are changing. It is disgusting that this person was able to attempt to brand a horse without a vet sedating the horse and numbing the area first. Surely there must be some sort of law that even though this practise is not illegal that it must be carried out by a qualified person. Shame on the breeder who let her visitor "have a go" on a frightened young animal who didn't even belong to her (not that it makes a difference).
Hope the colt is OK now.
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avanti
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 7:52:15 PM
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How sad that a person that has bred and nurtured this young colt; then feels the need to mark him in this way, I used to breed andalusians and imports had brands, no-one wanted to hot brand over here at that time, we looked into freeze branding, I believe the haflingers(or is it fjords) have a special freeze brand for their graded horses, in the end we didn't mark our horses, I hope he recovers soon and is not left with a too hideous mark, Mandy.
ps paul, totally agree with your sentiment, Mandy x |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 8:08:25 PM
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It's probably because those in the Spanish horse world here would always know that that particular horse came from that breeder. Seems it may backfire (excuse the pun!!).
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georgiauk
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 9:04:51 PM
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She doen't deserve to call herself a 'breeder' ! Barbaric bitch is all I can think of AND the colt didn't even belong to her anymore |
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Judith S
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 08:19:55 AM
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How barbaric!!!
Can't they have them freeze-branded or chipped instead?
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zara
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 2:36:22 PM
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| OP cant you see a solicitor or CAB with a view to taking these people to the small claims court? it appears the colt was brandd after you bought him so surely they must owe you for disfigurement? it could make them think twice before trying this with another horse. |
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nikki
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 4:04:38 PM
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| Poor colt, surely they must be able to do something. |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 5:49:48 PM
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Would of thought sue. Surely she paid for an unblemished horse, and now has a blemished one??
Unbelieveable. And perhaps ignorance of the person who did the branding if he knows nothing about horses, but no such excuse for the breeder. Unbelieveable, especially having bred him. |
    
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Annie Oakley
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 2:47:02 PM
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Hi Gang,
Just thought I would give you an update on the poor colt involved in this horrific fiasco. Basically, no one seemed to be interested in taking any sort of action, so we approached the Trading Standards Office for advice.
We were told to write to the breeder and tell her that compensation is required, as the foal is not now suitable for the purpose for which it was purchased ie showing.due to the horrendous blemish caused by her negligence.
We are awaiting her reply. If she does not reply within 14 days then the T. S. will take up the case on behalf of my friend.
How disappointing though, that none of the Animal Welfare organisations were willing to do something about this barbaric act.
I am relying on another friend to upload a picture of the brand, taken 8 days after the branding. Apparantly, it is even worse as we speak!!
Cheers
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Roseanne
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 5:25:04 PM
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| Ouch!!!! What a vandal. Needs hanging up by the _________s! |
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Judith S
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 5:30:24 PM
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Roseanne - thats putting it mildly isn't it!!! should add to your post a hot poker where the sun doesn't shine
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akitamom
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 5:44:59 PM
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| That poor poor horse must be in agony with a burn like that,maybe the guys name should be published and he can be tracked down and branded with the words a$$ hole on his forehead see how he likes it. |
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madmare
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 5:54:10 PM
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| Ask your doctor or practice nurse for some Burn dressings..that should heal it, then use Bio Oil on it to reduce scarring..hopefully, being a youngster he'll heal up, and be suitable for local showing at least...or Andalusians are great dressage horses, perhaps your friend can do that on him? |
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zara
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 6:26:21 PM
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FLAMAZINE from your vet is for burns.
what a terrible terrible thing to have happened. Did you get anywhere with the RSPCA? |
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