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SueW
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 Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 12:22:55 PM
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I would be interested to hear from breeders who show their in-foal mares what time they allow between covering and taking their mares to a show. For example, do you wait until after a 42 day scan, after three months or a different time scale?
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razgold
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 1:35:54 PM
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Well I personally like to keep my mares quiet for a few months after covering. After all what's more important you showing your horse or the foal she's carring? I took Razina Gold to the Crabbet Convention last year when she was 4 months in foal to Imad. Knowing what I know now I was very lucky not to lose the foal she was carrying. As a result this year she produced an absolutely beautiful filly, but she was one of a twin that Razina lost at approx. 3 to4 months gestation and kept the dead foal inside her till foaling. I don't think I would want to risk that again.
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SueW
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 5:06:48 PM
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I must admit that I have never shown any of my mares when they have been in foal and I'm not a great fan of showing mares with foal at foot either. Just interested in others views on the subject.
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Edited by - SueW on 08 Nov 2003 5:13:13 PM |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 5:16:06 PM
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I would probably not show an in foal mare except maybe fairly locally. I showed my colt foal at six weeks as the Egyptian Event was near to me and he was a really laid back character and nothing worried him. He is three now and is still exactly the same. However, I wouldn't have taken him far and I certainly wouldn't have shown him if I thought it would upset him or the mare. I was quite prepared to take him straight home without going in the ring if he was upset in any way. He is the only one I have shown as a foal and I am sure it did him good but not all foals would cope the same.
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Acorn Arabians
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 6:06:13 PM
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I dont think its worth the risk, its only a show.Best not in my opinion.
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Emma Maxwell
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 7:00:36 PM
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From examination of our foaling records from Lodge Farm I have to put forward a different point of view.
Most of the mares we ever showed were in foal. A couple of examples -Atlantica both raced and showed in 1993. She was carrying Amazonn. Czata attended the Salon du Cheval five times, and had a foal every year for us.
The reabsorptions of embryos of mares scanned in foal were often due to lack of progesterone. The late abortions were due to the umbilical cord being wrapped around the foal or for reasons unknown, but were absolutely uncorrelated to show activity.
I would also add that twins are very rarely carried to full term, and we have on several occasions seen the 'mummified' dead twin scenario. None of these were in mares shown the previous year so I feel the owner of the mare above need not feel guilty.
A very nervous mare with a poor fertility record, we did not show in the first three months as a 'just in case'. After three months it makes no difference, and for the vast majority of mares it makes no difference before that either.
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 7:06:37 PM
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Hi
I showed my mare in foal, after she had her scans. she did afew shows last year and i tock here to towerlands when she was about 5 months in foal and she was fine. But it depends on the mare, if i had a mare that was not a good traveller etc then i would think twice.
I have also taken my mare and foal to 3 shows this year and i dont think it did them any harm, but again it depends on the mare and foal.
rgds
Denise
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 09:41:23 AM
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How many of the people who wouldn't show an in-foal mare or a foal send a mare with a very young foal to stud a the other end of the country; not that different really.
I do think it depends on the individuals. As I rarely show I don't do it but agree with Emma that I am sure it does no harm at all unless the mare is a very bad traveller or has breeding problems. A healthy pregnancy is very difficult to shift once it is well established.
I was watching the horses running round the field and my mare who was due to foal in about three weeks time skidded round a corner and went down on her side with a great thump. She was absolutely fine although I was very worried and produced a lovely healthy filly.
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 10:38:49 AM
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Hi barbara
I think what Emma and Yourself has said is very true.
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SueW
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 10:54:28 AM
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I had a mare broken in whilst she was in foal. Having sought veterinary advice first, we were advised to wait 3 months before starting. It worked very well and she was ridden until the girth no longer fitted!
Barbara's point about sending a mare with a very young foal to stud raises another interesting point. I had a bad experience with this several years ago. I sent my mare to stud with a 3 week old foal which never came home. They had been away for nearly 6 weeks when I received a phone call on the Saturday to say the foal was looking "a bit under the weather". I was told that they would call the vet if she didn't improve. On the Sunday the vet attended and by Monday morning the foal was dead - gastro enteritis and septicaemia.
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MO Moor
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:00:14 AM
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If you try and relate a human pregnancy to equine, then you can't go too wrong. I worked throughout my pregnancy. I also continued to ride, show jumping, x-country, muck out, do haynets etc., Once you start to molly cuddle because of pregnancies, you are heading for trouble.
It is a condition, not an illness and to remain fit and active in fact helps both baby and mother for the birth process.
Not to contradict myself too much, however, if the mare has problems concieving, carrying etc., maybe it is wise to keep her away from fretful situations and keep life as normal and routine for her to give nature a better chance at the beginning.
It is so individual and your gut instincts will tell you what is best for that mare but as previously mentioned, an horse in foal is pretty much the same as a human pregnancy, so treat alike.
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 5:09:26 PM
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I couldn't agree more; I was very fortunate and was very small and very fit when I was pregnant and life went on as normal, could even bend down and do up my shoe laces etc which I am assured many people can't. I worked up till almost the due day and walked the dog up until the actual day.
I don't treat my mares any differently except in the feed department, they get extra vitamins and minerals and extra feed later on. In the wild they can't say "I'm pregnant so I don't think it is good for me to flee from that tiger" - they would never need to flee again and there would be one happy tiger!
If your mare has had her jabs she should be fine and so will the foal.
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Lisa
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 9:29:52 PM
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I understand thoroughbred mares are raced whilst they are in foal? I have also heard stories of mares being hunted and giving birth a few days later when their owners didn't even know they were in foal!
My mare is about 56 days gone at present and although I would like to show her next year I will not risk it as this is the first foal I have bred and I am totally paranoid about everything! |
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 10:41:53 PM
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Hi lisa
Everyone has there own ideas but weather to show an infoal mare or not. It is entirely upto you. I have shown mine and travelled them and (touch wood) i have had a healthy foal. I have also had a sad case were i had brought a jumping mare which i compteted on and she started to put weight on and my aunty said that she thought it was in foal, we had a vet out he checked her over and give here the all clear and said that the mare was not infoal and she was having phantam symptoms. I carried on competing and one morning when we went down to the stables to feed my mare was lying down and she gave birth to a foal which was still born and we lost the mare. It was very upsetting. my aunt had words with the vet (but at the end of the day it was not going to bring my mare back or the foal. But i must say even though i have had good and bad i wouldnt change my previous comments. It is up to the individual.
Good luck with your mare and look forward to seeing the photos of the foal when it arrives.
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Denise
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Lisa
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:18:41 PM
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| I'd have more than words with that particular vet!!!! What an awful thing for you to have to deal with. I guess with experience comes knowledge and once you've bred a few foals and dealt with various problems you see things from a different perspective. But for now I will just worry my head off probably until the foal is old enough to breed from!! |
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:32:20 PM
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Hi lisa
It was sometime ago. But dont worry i am sure your mare will be fine, when its your first anyone would be on tender hocks, i was.
Who is your mare in foal to?
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Lisa
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:39:54 PM
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Chi Lin Tienshan by Lyndham Tarac (Rumak x Tabashir by Banat) out of Lazuli of Chi Lin (Madour x The Gilded Lily by Argos). His first purebred daughter was third at Malvern this year.
Have you any mares due next year? if so who are they in foal to? |
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:45:02 PM
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Hi lisa
He sounds really nice. I didnt go to malvern this year.
I have a colt which i bred this year by FL Sayawan that did well at afew shows he went to with his mum. I havent got any mares due next year but i have 2 mares going to stud.
one mare who is going to Aja Ben Rajah and one mare that is going to Hakka. They hopefully will go to afew shows next year. So i will have to be patient till the following year.
rgds
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Lisa
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Posted - 09 Nov 2003 : 11:52:58 PM
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I bet your colt can really move!!!!
Think I saw Aja Ben Rajah at Malvern this year or last, won his class, he was nice type, haven't seen any of his babies. I did see Hakka at Towerlands this year, another big mover! Hope your foals are what you hope for and no doubt we'll see your colt out and about next year! I will just be spectating for another year but hopefully I'll have something to show by 2005! |
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KNIGHTS ARABIAN
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Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 12:08:28 AM
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Hi lisa
Yes he can move. Fingers crossed for him next year.
I bet you cant waite to have a little one around.
hope to see you at the shows next year.(even as a spectator), it would be nice to put a face to who you talk to on here.
I have seen a foal by Aja Ben Rajah he is georgeous just like his dad.
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white bryony
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Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 2:42:17 PM
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i know some thoroughbred mares to have raced in foal,and are perfectly fine
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