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Quarabian
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 Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 12:57:10 PM
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I have just seen an advert for a lovely arab. Unfortunately all the pics show this horse in an overbent position. I proceeded to watch the video hoping that these were unfortunate photos catching the wrong image, but no. What a shame that a young horse has it's early training experience in such a restricted manner.
The ad is on Arabian lines. Is it me being too picky or has anyone else noticed.
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 1:18:44 PM
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Grey PBA 4 yr old by any chance?
Yes, I noticed it too |
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Faracat
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 2:07:53 PM
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I also noticed the ad.
Imagine her with her mane and tail grown back and being schooled sympathetically by a less 'handy' rider and she'd look so much better. |
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Ari
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 5:59:12 PM
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A very nice little mare who will give somebody a lot of pleasure. I am just a happy hacker who's horse is light in the hand with a natural head carriage and only gets anywhere near a "lovely outline" when out with rain in his face lol x
Dare I say it's just a snapshot we see and I feel a little uncomfortable that we comment on a rider in an advert |
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 6:06:38 PM
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| To be fair I don't think either of the riders look heavy in the hand, in the video she is ridden in a snaffle and although a little overbent she is going forward, she is young and some young horses can tuck there noses in to begin with and try to evade a contact she may have not long been backed. |
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Pasch
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 6:16:07 PM
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Well the main ad picture is really overbent,I would never choose that one for an advert,however in all those pictures there is hardly any tension on the reins which leads me to think the horse is trying to escape the hand by over bending.The video is better first of all it's in a snaffle bit,you can see the horse is trying to put his head up and the rider is trying to keep her down,to me it looks like a green horse who hasn't accepted the bit yet.
I firmly believe the poll should be the highest point and the nose should always come first,but it's not always easy with a young horse,maybe a case of asking her too much too soon,but it's a lovely horse 
Edited to say Pinkvboots we posted more or less the same thing at the same time  |
Edited by - Pasch on 20 Nov 2014 6:18:34 PM |
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brack369
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 7:11:55 PM
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I haven't seen the advert but overbent horses is a common theme in adverts, not just Arabs. I accept that a photo is just one snapshot in time but the fact that someone uses it as advertisement suggests that they know no better and that is the horses usual way of going. Most horses even high level horses drop behind the vertical sometimes but some of the photos you see in adverts the horse looks plain uncomfortable.
there have been a few of these type photos on facebook and if someone points out the horse is overbent, the poster takes offence. Personally I would rather someone told me if I was unknowingly making my horse uncomfortable. |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 7:22:48 PM
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Just to say, I was not criticising the rider at all. I just wonder what impression is being made by puting pics of overbent horses on ads. I suspect the contact evading (which can be seen in the video) is brought about by lunging in side reins.
But who am I to say. I just try to sort out the problems other people have created when I take on a horse that is showing signs of stress in one way or another. Most english riders would probably think that my reins are too long and I shouldn't be riding bitless in wide open spaces. I would love to give this little horse a home. Sadly not to be.
Rant over lol. |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 7:30:20 PM
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| Actually, thinking about it my horses go along in a nice outline from day one in a halter, no pressure. So why should youngsters duck behind the contact? Answers on a postcard please. |
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garnet
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 7:38:58 PM
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| Just had a look - she is a lovely little horse but so overbent that the photos don't do her justice. |
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Vik1
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 7:46:41 PM
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Not seen advert so cant comment but overbent horses is now common place, not just in adverts but everywhere! esp the show ring...it drives me nuts. M&Ms being the worst culprits imo. Ridden in a pelham off the curb rein while the back end is still in the stable....
Everyone seems to want to take the short cut to getting a horse in an 'outline' these days. In fact a girl once said to me 'theres schooling for dressage and theres schooling for showing. Schooling for showing gets results alot quicker'......it said it all for me. |
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Faracat
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Posted - 20 Nov 2014 : 8:21:46 PM
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She does look like she's a lovely mare. I'd just rather see her going forwards into the contact, even if she's above the bit in a more 'novice outline'.
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glo
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Posted - 21 Nov 2014 : 09:18:52 AM
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Can't view the vid but, if you look at the photos you will see that she is not tracking up so that would indicate that she is not going forward, if the rider rose to the trot a little slower, that would give more engagement and she would have a better outline. Its hard to see what you are doing when you are on top, and the rider is looking to the ground as well and that doesn't help.
Looks like a nice type and I am sure that however buys will be happy. |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 21 Nov 2014 : 10:24:17 AM
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I agree glo. I had noticed that she is not tracking up, you can see it on the video more clearly, but not all the time. There are some nice strides when she does relax her neck and back.
I am really not trying to 'get at' the people involved with this horse, just thinking that constructive criticism would help them to think about what they are doing. I want to get the message across that time spent in these first few months will pay dividends further down the road. Any discomfort or fear will provoke resistance of some kind. |
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garnet
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Posted - 21 Nov 2014 : 6:03:37 PM
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| Makes me think of the horses you hear about who qualify for HOYS a month after being backed and are never heard of again after October. Festina lente, as they say. |
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Ari
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Posted - 21 Nov 2014 : 8:14:20 PM
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| Had to google "festina lente" but wise words Garnet. Everything with horses takes time a patience and is much rewarded. |
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Sahir
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Posted - 22 Nov 2014 : 3:13:37 PM
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Well I think she's a cracking little mare & an absolute bargain, wish my grandsons were a little older - I'd buy her  |
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Mags
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Posted - 23 Nov 2014 : 08:49:22 AM
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| Awww I want her, lovely little horse. She is just to green for the double and is been ridden off the curb. And been short Arabs look even worse than normal overbent, mine had been lunged in side reins and had to learn to stretch forward on the long reins. |
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