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proctorclaire
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 Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 12:54:31 PM
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My poor Connemara X has laminitis and my poor Arabs are on box rest with her for company.
Caught it early last Friday. 6 Weeks box rest with limited soaked hay, danilon and aspirin every other day.
Just when you thought summer time meant no mucking out, early morning starts etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 2:29:22 PM
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| Sorry to hear your horse has Lami sounds like you caught it early, seems to be quite a few horses coming down with it, my friends horse came down with it on Monday he was very bad on Wednesday just wouldn't stand, his much better today though his up and about and looks brighter, I have been cutting and drying nettles for him which he seems to really enjoy, if you can get your hands on some they are really good for them when they have Laminitis, I wish your horse a good recovery. |
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garnet
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 6:23:19 PM
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| Can only sympathise - been there, done that and been fortunate enough to come out the other side. Best of luck! |
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Ari
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 6:46:37 PM
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Glad you caught it early so all should be well. Like Garnet I have first hand experience of how stressful Lami and resulting box rest is for both horse and you. My lady had slight rotation but made a complete recovery and never got it again so there is light at the end of a long 6 weeks.
I wish you all the very best. |
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Nichole Waller
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Posted - 27 Jun 2014 : 9:41:09 PM
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Sorry to hear about girl, hope she makes a speedy recovery.
Our pony got lami in all four feet a few years ago which resulted in rotation of the pedal bone in all four feet (worse in the fronts).
We made him a small pen in the field with the others as he really doesn't do box rest very well. He coped really well in the pen. He had small amount of soaked hay 3 times a day and lost 45kg in total in weight...!!! Within 6 months he had made a full recovery and was sound and back to being ridden. Now during the summer months he goes in the field with the others during the day (9.00 to 5.00) and back in the pen at night.
There is light at the end of the tunnel. Keeping everything crossed for you x |
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 28 Jun 2014 : 9:40:54 PM
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| I have more nettles than I know what to do with. Fields are like a jungle with nettles and docks. They are taller than me! It was my own fault really, she was over weight. She was very grumpy for a couple of days but seems to be settling into her new routine. What do you do with the nettles? Just chop them up and feed them? |
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SuziQ
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 08:28:20 AM
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I just chop them at ground and leave to wilt for a day or 2 then they eat them.. ideally you chop them and leave them to go dry in the sun and then you can bundle them together and store hanging somewhere dry.
I keep panicking about lami this year having had an episode autumn 2012, Millie came in lame a few weeks ago and I had that horrible sinking feeling but on examination it was only one foot and she'd brewed a nice big abcess.. shes lame again yesterday and I have a feeling she has another at the rear which is making her move awkwardly but she is fully weight bearing at the front so I've put her in and will see farrier Monday.. ironically my sisters horse also has an abcess.. they are all unshod and she isnt worked so can only be the ground..how annoying and expensive. |
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 29 Jun 2014 : 10:31:44 PM
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You just leave the nettles for a few days to dry out and feed them, I have loads this year and they are evil if you get a sting off them |
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 30 Jun 2014 : 1:33:40 PM
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| I will cut some and see if she takes them. Into our second week of box rest. She is still foot sore but to be honest she had her shoes taken off and I was expecting her to be foot sore anyway for a while as she has always been shod so not sure if she is pottering about due to no shoes or pottering about because of laminitis. |
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gossy
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Posted - 01 Jul 2014 : 10:48:36 AM
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| My mare is coming to the end of her lami episode, hers was bought on by cushings which was diagnosed at the same time, she was lame in both fronts but luckily after xrays only had a very slight rotation in front right nothing in left, shes been in for 7 weeks now, shes now sound has heartbars on, another week without bute and vet says she will be able to go out and play with her herd of my other girls which she is depserate to do. |
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 01 Jul 2014 : 2:49:31 PM
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| Yeah she is dieing to get out bless her. She is getting very grumpy with her stable friend to. The vet hasn't taken bloods yet but I think she will after this week is past. She doesn't think it is Cushings or EMS but better to be safe than sorry and just do the bloods. I thought her soreness might have improved seeing as we caught it very early but only very very slight improvement. She is still lame on front feet and sore to walk and that is with 2 Danilon a day. |
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Lucytoo
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Posted - 01 Jul 2014 : 9:23:29 PM
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My gelding came down with Laminitis in December, he was diagnosed with EMS shortly after. I think x rays and bloods are essential to help aid a good recovery. It is thought that most cases of Laminitis are caused by either Cushings(PPID) or EMS.
There is a fantastic page(Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS) Cushings PPID and Laminitis) on FB dedicated to helping owners with laminitic horses/ponies. Worth a look for anyone dealing with Laminitis.
My horse has luckily made a full recovery, with the help of my fab vet and farrier and is now back in work, but it was a long haul to get him there!
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 07 Jul 2014 : 12:41:57 PM
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| Well she is walking much better now and I have taken the supports off her feet as they were starting to get very moist and smelly and I thought she was gonna get Thrush. Vet is coming out on Thursday to have another look at her and to set a date for x rays and when we can get her out, at least in the sand arena. |
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tamila
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Posted - 08 Jul 2014 : 8:35:17 PM
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| May I suggest you contact Roger Hatch on 01243551766. He knows more about this problem and many others than any other nutritionist. |
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AJJ
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 09:34:28 AM
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I would agree with what others have said, it is essential you encourage as much movement as the horse can tolerate comfortably, I had an awful experience 2 years ago now I wouldn't want to repeat, my warmblood got toxaemia which then triggered acute laminitis and absences, both front pedal bones rotated, I was distraught! It all happened so very quickly, fortunately my partner is a barefoot trimmer and he and the vet worked their magic together, after a couple of months of keeping his feet short and in balance, soaking and dressing, decent hoof boots and to me the most important part of his recovery was vitamin and mineral support. A through support from www.forageplus.com we had him on a cocktail of straight minerals, beet root juice as an antioxidant , Glutimine to help,repair lamini, copper,zinc..... The list goes on but he grew brand new feet in 6 months , X-rays revealed re alignment of his p3 and was out competing within 10 months of the whole incident. I now watch him like a hawk and the weigh tape is my new best friend!
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 11:51:17 AM
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With the nettles just pull them up; some will break off and some will come up with root attached. I just clean the root and leave it on. If it is sunny spread them out in the sun for a couple of days to dry, if it is wet just put them somewhere dry (in the hay shed/spare stable) and they will be ready to eat. I put them in empty feed bags to keep them out of the way.
I am already piling up my winter stack as the horses love them and it makes a treat for them in the bad weather. Fortunately I don't need them for laminitics but have had to part with them all sometimes for friends laminitic ponies.
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triple velvet
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 2:25:13 PM
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AJJ please can I have a list of what you fed as a cocktail of herbs? I don't know if anybody remembers me worried sick about me lovely mare Leisha? She came down with lami in November last yr. We had sinking and lots of rotation (sorry can't remember the%) vets said expect the worse.!! Her lami was down to her weight, we did cushions test and was negative. Anyhow hopefully she is on the road to recovery, she is still in heart bar shoes but she is now going out with her friends during the day wearing a muzzle. She looks much better in herself. I don't think we will be able to ride her again but as long as she is happy is all that matters.
She still has some repairs to her feet that need healing mainly her toe. Any vitamin/herb advise on repairing her hoof would be grateful. |
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AJJ
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 2:40:10 PM
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I don't give any herbs, although turmeric is excellent as an anti inflammatory. I now supplement with forage plus summer balancer, additional copper, zinc, magnesium. However, this is based upon the mineral content of my land following analysis. If you take a look on the Forageplus website it will give you a detailed breakdown of what is in the balancers, they have developed on the average readings of many analyses up and down the country. The minerals they have sourced and use are of the highest and purest quality to maximise absorption rates.
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triple velvet
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 3:10:00 PM
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| Thanks AJJ, I have dropped them an email. |
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Lucytoo
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 7:01:16 PM
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| Triple velvet, have a look on here ... Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS) Cushings PPID and Laminitis UK The Admin really know their stuff re Laminitis and are happy to answer all your questions. There must still be something underlying if you don't think your girl can be ridden due to to Laminitis. |
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garnet
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 8:55:38 PM
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| Triple Velvet, my Red had lami in 2010 although he was only very slightly overweight. He was out of action for 6 months with 2 sets of Imprint shoes and then heart bars. He had some rotation and the farrier said I was lucky to save him but he has been back in work and competing since 2011. However, my attention was caught by your comment about your horse's toes needing to repair. Red's front toes always have a gap at the front between the hoof and the shoe and the vet and farrier say that they always will. This is in spite of the fact that they appear to be perfectly normal as they grow down. It has not affected him at all - he is shod on his fronts only with normal shoes. Just wondering if what you are referring to is something similar? |
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triple velvet
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Posted - 13 Jul 2014 : 9:35:39 PM
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Lucytoo, it is my vet saying she may not be ridden again but there again she also told me we might not save her, which we have. My vet and farrier are very good I just think my vet is giving me the worse case scenario. She has had a lot of sinking and rotation specially to her off side front. Only had rotation slightly in her near front. My farrier is more optimistic he is talking about using fillers on his nx visit to help push back the pedal bone. I am paranoid about her feet always checking for pulses, heat and having a good look at her sole for any changes. She is on no pain killers anymore only when farrier due I give her pain relief. I have a feeling we will get her right, but don't want to temp fate.
garnet, thank you yes her feet sound like what your describing, worse after a trim. She is just starting now to grow her feet very fast, I mean within days she seems to be out growing her shoe (heart bars) she's shod only fronts every 6 wks.
Proctorclaire sorry don't mean to hijack your thread.  |
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AJJ
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Posted - 14 Jul 2014 : 10:02:27 AM
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| I need to figure out how to attach pics! Or triple velvet send me your email address and I'll send you X-ray pics and hoof pics of my boy. Getting the minerals right will encourage rapid hoof growth, this with remaining barefoot and rebalanced almost every week with the rate of growth! Was the key to Max growing new feet! |
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 1:13:15 PM
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| Just thought I would give you an update. Got results from x rays yesterday. 10% rotation in one and 14% in the other. The vet wants to put heart bar shoes on but I am not keen on hammering nails into a sore hoof! Did anyone use the glue on shoes or just use boots instead? What was everyone elses rotation percentages? Waiting on bloods to come back about EMS or Cushings. |
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DianaSC
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Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 2:07:06 PM
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After I let Kalli get laminitis a few years ago, she wore Eponashoes for about a year I think. They can be glued on but Kal had hers nailed on with as few nails as possible. Then silicon was pumped underneath the shoe to give support. (She'd never been shod before - or since.) www.eponashoe.com
Vet said he thought there was slight rotation in off fore, near fore probably not. He did not xray so no idea of how much. She recovered well, the hooves grew rapidly with liberal massaging in of Cornucrescine and some other similar Spanish stuff. She's been absolutely fine ever since (well, her feet have, the rest of her is falling apart, poor darling).
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garnet
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Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 7:01:33 PM
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| Red had 2 sets of Imprint shoes which are glue-on. They are quite expensive but they helped to save my big lad. I don't know the percentage rotation but vet and farrier said I was lucky to save him. After the Imprints he had a set of heart bars and then he was shod normally. The day after that he got an abscess in a hind foot and after that it snowed and that was 2010 done and dusted! |
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