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martha615
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 Posted - 07 Feb 2013 : 7:08:02 PM
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I was sad to see a beautiful mare in foal is being sold for very little money on a popular horse site. Her age isn't listed on the ad, but when I looked up her pedigree I saw that this shagya mare was 20 years old. I can't imagine putting a mare in foal and then selling her, but I suspect it was done in order that buyers would find value in her foal. Why do people do this?
Am very sad for her and wish I had room....
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Pop
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England
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Posted - 07 Feb 2013 : 7:16:38 PM
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I wish I had a horse like that, lovely Shagya Arab, such a shame. Beautiful horse.
I hope someone can give her a home. |
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MirandaToo
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England
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Posted - 07 Feb 2013 : 7:49:00 PM
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| I saw her too. I was very tempted.... but would NOT want anything in foal as I don't have the experience, time or finance. Lovely sounding horse - hope she and her foal find a good home. |
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Offira
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England
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Posted - 07 Feb 2013 : 8:23:48 PM
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Thanks Pop  Isn't she lovely, if you google her name you get to the website of her owner and more pictures of her and her foals. |
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Sharea
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 1:57:39 PM
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| It sounds like a very selfish act, how sad. |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 2:57:36 PM
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What is particularly upsetting to me is that this horse had an incredible career, was flown all over the world, won a lot for people, and yet she gets no retirement home from those who had her at her best. If she is as she is described, I could not part with such a horse.
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unicorn122
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:04:27 PM
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I do find it strange when in general I see some adverts for an older horse who the seller has had a long time and obviously had a bond with.
Once they're getting on a bit they no longer want them :(?
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Silver
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:12:13 PM
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| I took on a 22 year old two years ago and could never part with her.How you can have one for years and then sell it at 20 is beyond me. |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:22:26 PM
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| Older horses are expensive to look after and require more care than younger horses (I should know!). This mare was clearly put into foal to add value to her at sale, but it is unclear whether the buyer will want her once the foal is born. Perhaps it is possible for her to breed another foal and she will have that use. I don't know anything about breeding older horses. It would be hard for her to get a home as a companion and light hack, a situation which may have been ideal for her, as she is in foal. Ah well....perhaps the right home is out there for her. |
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Pasch
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:29:49 PM
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What really drives me mad is when I see (often,unfortunately)horses in their 20s being sold or given for free with excuses like a change in the family,moving town,giving up riding,changing riding specialty,some may be sincere but most just mean "I want to buy a younger horse and get rid of this one"!!! |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:43:15 PM
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| I have a 21 year old irish cob that despite all efforts keeps having problems. He's got Cushings and I wrestle with abscesses a lot of the time and wonder if he's kind of chronically foundering without showing many signs of it (so, he has no digital pulse, no favouring of suspect limb, no growth rings but he DOES get frequent abscesses while the others never do!). I've made the decision that if he gets another abscess despite all the attention I give to his dietary requirements, trimming requirements, etc, I will put him down. It's hard having an older horse. It takes some guts because someone will have to make that hard decision. But I'd rather it was me than another person, I guess, and I would never EVER have sold him even years ago as I knew he was a bit 'iffy' then! |
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Paresh
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:55:42 PM
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| poor girl, doesnt deserve to being passed around at that age, if she were closer I would seriously be interested in her, but wouldnt pay anything near what they want for a 20yr old. |
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Pop
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 3:57:06 PM
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For me, having 3 older horses, 2 who are 21 this year and one who will be 18, is good. I don't worry that I will be too old to care for them when they are old. But Powneee really does worry me, she is young and the probability is that when she is old and needs special care, will I be too old or maybe unwell and not be able to provide it. Then I'm faced with trying to find an older horse a home. It fills me with sadness, and I just don't know what to do. I have even looked for someone who has an older or outgrown pony and needs a younger/bigger replacement, to do a loan swap.
I really don't know what to do; and I cannot bring myself to advertise her, because then I may be faced with a decision to loan her to a complete stranger. I've tried with strangers and I just pull out.
I really don't want to be old and advertising to find an old horse a home  . She deserved better than that, little pest. 
TBH, I find is such a worry.
I hope that means there are others out there like me who would actually prefer an old horse to a young one; problem is, the horse advertised is in foal, so, puts a different spin on it. |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 4:20:39 PM
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Pop, I thought you had a prospect there for Pownee?????
I think the complication with this mare is that she is in foal, yes. That means, that the foal is going to be wanted and that is why she'll be purchased. But maybe someone will want both the mare and the foal for different reasons. Let's hope so.
And don't worry about Pownee too much....you've got one or two friends around the place who would help! ;)
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 4:31:27 PM
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| I think I saw the advert you mean. The person is getting married, maybe they werent when the mare was put in foal??? Maybe the person is expecting?? I'm not defending but you don't always see the reasons fully spelled out. |
     
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Pop
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 4:52:56 PM
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Yes Martha, I've had 4 potentials in the last two or three weeks, three were complete strangers so I just talked myself into backing off. One I told myself it was because she referred to Pownee as 'it', another because she would have to live out with a shelter (see, double standards, that's how she lives now); and I was perhaps too honest about her colour (green lol) with the third, or it could have been she loan only, not for sale. The 4th is someone who has been introduced by a friend, so possible but I doubt it. So, I'm nowhere really.
Pashon2001 - I agree, we don't know and its not fair to guess peoples circumstances, seems to be a man, so not expecting probably, but, well, still, its sad to see. But then, to some people, it isn't sad, its just normal everyday stuff. My feeling is its less about who is selling her and more about who may buy her; and I'm guessing that's why Martha posted it here, better to find an AL home? |
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loosefur
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 5:04:33 PM
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| This mare has been passed around a bit. She was sold by a stud farm beginning of last year (I think) or even the year before. I then saw her on preloved last summer and here she is again. Very sad. |
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sab2
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 5:07:38 PM
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Well if i win the lottery this weekend i will buy her and give her a home , shes been a super mare in her day and deserves to end her days happy and comfortable, fingers crossed our numbers come up.
I would never judge the owners reason for selling her as circumstances can change and any of us could end up in similar circumstances at some point, but lets hope none of us do. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 6:24:00 PM
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It is very sad and putting her in foal has, if anything, further compromised her future - it certainly does not make her more attractive to buy in my view.
I also have to disagree with the notion that older horses are automatically more expensive to keep. Yes they may be more likely to have veterinary issues, but so can a youngster. Many of ours are into their 20's and are no more of a financial burden than they have ever been, unfortunately with some people once a horse has lost its 'worth' it is easier to move it on than face the responsibility of either offering a limitless retirement or the kindness of pts. |
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RUTHIE
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 6:37:04 PM
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I have both ends of the scale of age..... a 19 month old Crabbet and a 20 year old part bred, while in the middle, a 16 year old ISH. All horses are costly no matter what age they are. I find my veteran no more expensive than the youngster. They all need jabs, farrier, dentist etc. Swings and roundabouts in the long run.
Hopefully this mare will find a future worthy of her. |
     
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debs
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 6:42:58 PM
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| Agree there Judith, Ali has cost me more in 3 years than Giz did in his lifetime.... we also have a 34ish yo who, touch wood, has cost less too !!! |
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martha615
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 7:00:37 PM
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I think it is only when you get into the daily medications that older horses cost more -- though of course the same could be true for a young horse, sure. In my case, I am finding my older horse costing a lot more than my younger horses, though they are both in their teens. Pergolide, supplements, veterinary visits....but yes, it could easily happen with a younger horse.
I think the perception is that older horses do cost more and have less to offer in the future. I love older horses and would never want to discourage anyone from buying one. |
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Sharea
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 7:23:21 PM
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Of course peoples circumstances can and do change we don't know what the future holds but it just seems a shame that she has been put in foal when she has an uncertain future.
There are people who want older horses, I myself deliberately set out to offer one a home but couldn't resist Sharea who is only middle aged, like me! |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 7:31:28 PM
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| My 26 year old has cost me nothing. She did have a vet's bill for colic before we discovered the wormer resistance but she was a mere 9 year old then. |
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Pop
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Posted - 08 Feb 2013 : 8:42:34 PM
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I suppose its like humans, some are in the doctors or hospital with some problem or other all the time and some have not been for years.
I find older horses more expensive than younger horses generally, but youngsters can be expensive too; I mean youngsters can be expensive, different from young; and of course I'm generalising.
If your horse has an age related illness, then obviously it can be allot more expensive; and I guess that in addition to the normal stuff for all horses I would tend to give the older ones preventative stuff. I never took things for my joints when I was 30, but I do now. I have noticed that when it drops below zero, one of them gets a bit stiff in one fetlock, so, do you just ignore it or do you give them something to support the joints, so I guess it can be more expensive, depends really.
I have read on another forum a conversation about a particular age related issue, for which the medication is often expensive, and for life; and some didn't give the medication, on account of the cost.
So, for me logic suggests that it should be considered likely that an older horse could cost more in terms of health care, but the benefits would outweigh this, for me. |
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Sad to see another older horse for sale
