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Liz100
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 Posted - 27 Sep 2012 : 10:50:21 PM
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How funny, I was just reading the same 'promotional feature' in H&H about this. According to the write up it isn't bleach - bleach is a hypochlorite and Hypocare is hypochlorous acid. It goes on to say that hypochlorous acid is between 80-300 times more effective at killing pathogens than hypochlorites and in hospitals it's used to sterilise infected surgical appliances before operations.
It does sound a handy product to have around, but I haven't any experience of it myself.
So, for mud fever, would you still need to rub the scabs off before applying the Hypocare, or do you just spray it onto the scabby bits? |
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Edited by - Liz100 on 27 Sep 2012 10:51:19 PM |
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ella
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 6:35:38 PM
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It is a bleach. Bleaches do not sting at high dilution rates & some, when diluted correctly, are safe to use for various disinfection purposes. This includes use on skin & to create safe drinking water. Look up "bleach" in any dictionary (or even better a chemistry text book!) & you should find hypochlorous acid listed. Wiki will give you a comprehensive definition  |
   
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littlearabians
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 8:19:05 PM
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| but its not the bleach you use for cleaning as someone suggested to go and buy instead, and it IS safe for use on eyes and so on... I can only say I think its a fab product (or atleast the Verticyn version) |
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kcv1223
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 11:21:19 PM
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Kharidian - dont buy some. We've just ordered it to stock it in my shop and when it comes I've got a pressie for you and Chips :-) It is an incredible product and they are currently trialling it to fight MSRA as they have now stabilised the active ingredient enough to work with it. The closest product to it on the market is Vetericyn which is twice the price and half the strength. We are very excited about it  |
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LIV
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 07:46:35 AM
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| Mine arrived yesterday so I will wait to see if it can clear up my gelding's skin problem on all four white heels! |
     
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Kes
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 08:35:41 AM
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| I'm interested, how can it 'fight' MRSA, surely only an antibiotic can do that? (if they ever find one) or do you mean using it to stop the spread and potential infection like the alcohol hand gels in hospitals etc. |
    
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Liz100
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Kes
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 2:16:18 PM
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| I've just had my Hypocare delivered, out of interest, what are people paying? I've just got a 500ml spray bottle for £16.80 with free P&P. Good/bad price anyone? |
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littlearabians
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ella
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 6:05:16 PM
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" but its not the bleach you use for cleaning as someone suggested to go and buy instead, and it IS safe for use on eyes and so on..."
Ok, last try. Hypochlorous acid is used for many applications including as household bleach, toilet cleaner, carpet cleaner, swimming pool sanitizer, water treatment etc. Like most bleach products, it is toxic & caustic at a high strength & safe for use as a skin disinfectant & even for drinking water at a low dilution.
Bleaches have been used for wound disinfection for years, with sodium hypochlorite (the bleach most of you think of as "bleach") used as a wound antispetic since World War 1 & commonly used for sterilizing baby bottles. Hydrogen peroxide is popular in dilute preparations as a mouth wash for treating gum disease, but you will recognise that as a stronger preparation it is commonly used for lightening hair!
Like hypochlorous acid, sodium hypochlorite and hydrogen peroxide can be used to create safe drinking water. So therefore "bleach" of each type can be either dangerous or safe for skin use depending on other ingredients & dilution rate. |
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Kes
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 7:26:35 PM
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| Thanks Littlearabians :) |
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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 9:44:40 PM
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Almost bought some at the weekend..but the two new bargain stable rugs caught my eye!! I'll def be adding to my first aid kit at some point. Keep us posted with all your results please!
Its not exactly the same as bleach which is generally sodium hypochlorite NaClO...chemical formula for hypochloric acid is HClO a more unstable chemical which is possibly why there's such a buzz about a new stabilised product. The danger with telling Joe Blogs that its the same as house hold bleach is that not everyone would know how to prepare a safe dilution & risk more harm than good  |
      
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Callisto
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Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 01:28:41 AM
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| I must admit I have found some of the posts (on here and other forums) saying it's the same as bleach/Miltons a bit worrying for fear of what people might experiment with. I have bought a bottle, haven't had to use it yet, but I would far rather pay for something I know is at the right strength for application on my horses (or me for that matter!). I found the Nursing Article very interesting - thanks Liz |
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LesleyH
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 4:00:52 PM
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I've just started using this for a small wound on Harrii's pastern. I had previously treated it with Hibiscrub and MSM cream which didn't seem to help much and it was spreading slowly so think it's turning into mud fever now. He does tend to get mud fever so I have to be very careful with even small wounds. Then I tried treating with cold salt water and sudocreme but it was still spreading. I have used Hypocare for 2 days and the wound has scabbed up but in the middle is a circular white area which is soft. Not sure what is happening there and I'm not sure whether I should be trying to remove the scab which has now formed. There's not much information on the bottle as to how to treat mud fever or how long Hypocare should be used. It doesn't sting according to Harrii, he'd be hopping round the stable if it did, but he thinks the strange spray sound deserves a good snort or two !
If anyone else has more experience or has any idea as to whether I should start to pick the scab off please let me know. Thanks. Lesley |
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ali bali
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 9:15:03 PM
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Ah Lesley, your boy sounds just like mine with his skin  Sorry no advice but would be really interested to hear an update about how you get on in a week or two! Alison |
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Gerri
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 7:45:49 PM
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| Milly has just got scabby heel and her skin has split and was awful so I have been putting udder cream on the heels and it has worked beautifully, I will get some of this HYPOCARE too methinks |
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Liz100
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LesleyH
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Posted - 09 Oct 2012 : 2:20:32 PM
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| Liz100 - Raf sounds just like Harrii - he's always coming in with little cuts on his pastern which he's done himself - too much hoolying in his field. I bathed the wound the other morning to soften the scab and it did reduce it, then dried it thoroughly and sprayed Hypocare on it. In the evening the hard scab had formed again. So at the moment I'm leaving the scab and spraying twice a day. I've emailed Horseware who make the product to ask for advice as to whether I should be removing the scab, or just leave it until it heals and falls off naturally. I'll keep you posted if I hear anything from them. Think it will take some time to heal. |
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debs
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Posted - 09 Oct 2012 : 2:43:59 PM
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Hi Lesley, how are the sarcoids? Wonder if it would do any good for them? Vet coming Thurs as one of Ali's looks bit suspect to me....
Sounds a great product..... |
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Annette
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Posted - 13 Oct 2012 : 10:28:34 PM
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Well, never having heard of this product until a few weeks ago, I have got to say I am delighted with the results of using it on two different horses. One had had what looked very suspiciously like a sarcoid on his nose the size and depth of a £1 coin which developed very suddenly around July time. Nothing I put on made any difference either for better or worse. After reading about Hypocare I bought some and used it 3 or 4 days running and then stopped. The sarcoid/blemish whatever it was started to shrivel and dry up. Within a week it was half the size it had been, and now two weeks later there is the very tiniest spot to be seen where it was. The other success story was with a small patch of mud fever. Again, I sprayed a few times and then left it, and it is now totally clear without me doing anything else. So Hypocare receives a big thumbs up from me and I don't care what's in it-someone else has done the mixing and matching to get it right, and it's reasonably priced compared to a lot of things out there.
Debs, why don't you give it a go on your boy, you've got nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain.
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debs
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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 07:36:40 AM
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D'you know I was going to ask the vet if she thought it would be ok, forgot all about it, so dim, my brain shrivels when its something so important...
I have used it on a patch of dry scaley skin that appeared, cleared it up within days... |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 14 Oct 2012 : 09:57:28 AM
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| used it on a cold sore on myself cleared up in about 3 days too and not a few weeks as normal |
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LesleyH
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 : 4:35:23 PM
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Update on treatment of Harrii's wound on pastern with Hypocare. Oh dear, is all I can say. I was spraying with Hypocare daily and a thick scab formed. I wasn't sure whether to remove the scab so left it but it was so thick that when I exercised Harrii the movement of his pastern opened up the scab and it bled. So I decided to soften the scab and remove it by soaking with weak cold salt water. I then dried it and applied more Hypocare. The wound (or scab) is still spreading outward and is now twice the size it was and the middle is a healthy pink colour. So for the last 3 days I have gone back to cleaning it with Hibiscrub, drying thoroughly and applying some Flamazine cream. I did email Horseware who sell Hypocare to ask for advice on how to use it with mud fever, or whatever this wound has turned into, and they did reply saying they had forwarded my email to the people who make it (can't remember the name now) and I should receive a reply from them but that was over a week ago and no reply received so far.
Hi Debs - Harrii's sarcoids are a bit suspect too, I have put toothpaste on them occasionally but it would be interesting to know whether Hypocare could be applied to them. If you do remember to ask your vet I'd love to hear their opinion. |
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sasha
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 : 5:03:14 PM
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I have 3 with mudfever, ranging from a 16 month old colt to an 18 year old.
I tried spraying the colt and I have nearly had my head kicked in as it is in both back heels,he hates the spray he has now got bad to treat if I go anywhere near him, even reverting back to a mix of sudocreme, pig oil, sulphar powder and tee tree oil all mixed together is difficult. My 4 year old has a patch in one front heel and one back heel. he doesn't mind me spraying the Hypocare on, I have been spraying him twice daily for a week and the area is scabbed over but appears to be around the same size. I am now trying it on my 18 year old,who is not keen on the spray..the jury is out at the moment. Its an absolute nightmare..I have well drained fields and no mud.. yet this is the second time this year mine have had mudfever. Don't understand. |
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jillandlomond
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 : 9:48:01 PM
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I'm currently using Hypocare on my youngster's rather large wound in his armpit! It's where his sarcoid was, and having successfully treated it with Liverpool Cream earlier this year, the large scab eventually fell off 10 weeks later, leaving an open wound. This WAS healing nicely and was at that light pink stage, where the skin is still delicate......then he tore it open whilst galloping round his field's with the others I could have cried when I saw it wide open
Vet couldn't stitch, so gave a course of antibiotics and advised syringing with salt water to keep it clean....oucha!! So I asked him about the possibility of using Hypocare as it doesn't sting and so far so good. It's healing well and I'm spraying twice daily. Time will tell..... |
    
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