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Slave 2 Magic
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:58:52 AM
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Things are not going to plan with my youngster. When I bought him I searched carefully for somewhere that he could go out with other youngsters. The situation is not turning out as arranged. He was supposed to go out with the YO's youngsters but they very rarely go out as it will churn the field up!
I know it's been mild and wet but he still needs to go out. He is stabled most of the time and when he does go out he goes bonkers for a while and then settles to graze. The YO's two are really close and won't let him near. I am trying to get somewhere else for him but it could be a few more weeks. Final straw was another livery saying he should be out (I know that!!) and why don't I lunge him? He's 9 month old!I just feel really down about it all and right now feel like selling him. He's such a good boy even when he's stuck in apart from the odd giddy moment in his stable. I just want to do right by him and other people's comments don't help.
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 11:08:04 AM
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| Having been in your situation once, you are right, he needs to go out. I took my youngster out for lots of walks, (all the time looking for a different place to keep her] but never lunged!! I don't know your area, but he would be much better out 24/7 than in. Good luck. |
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sarahjo
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Quarabian
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 11:49:02 AM
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| I really feel for you trying to bring up a youngster in livery. I am lucky that I can decide who goes out with who and when etc. If he isn't too silly from being in I would take him for walks (as Goldemane already said), especially if you can get someone to walk with you with another horse for safety and company. |
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Slave 2 Magic
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England
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 12:07:20 PM
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| There isn't anyone else he can go out with. He has been out with 2 mini shetlands but they too are only allowed out when the field won't get cut up. I had thought about walking him in hand but he gets really giddy and does contain himself bless him but it must stress him out more having to walk sensibly. The place where I want to take him has 24/7 turnout for youngsters but it is full until a few are sold. I will be ringing every week until they have space. |
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Meggie-Lu
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 1:07:32 PM
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I really feel for you. I have found that it the case with alot of yards and horsey ppl, they say one thing then change there minds.
But i will say do what you feel is right for your horse! Dnt listen to anybody's un-helpful comments and the gang on here are always full off good advice. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 1:19:38 PM
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Hang on in there, I know it's really frustrating at the moment, but although it doesn't seem like it spring is approaching, and (hopefully) conditions will improve and he'll get turnout. Instead of lunging could you take him out in a field on a long line and walk him round the edges (rather than take him out for a walk) wear a hard hat, gloves and boots, and then when he gets giddy you can give him more of the rein and then bring him back to you - it's not the same as turn out, but at least it will give him something to think about and will help build your relationship.
I take it there's not a sandschool or similar you can turn him out in for a run around? |
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Meggie-Lu
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 1:21:58 PM
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Love the idea of walking him, and it's a good way to build a bond and improve trust.
All good things. |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 7:19:28 PM
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Isnt there a stud nearby that can help you out untill you can get him in at the other place... I know I would help a fellow Arab person if they needed... I do agree it is NOT healthy for a young horse to be stables too much, they NEED to move...
it must be so fustrating being in a liveryyard where owner just doesnt understand that... then again, you meet them everywhere, a girl rents field next to my house, and is very very upset that my mares are causing her mare not to want to be caught "sully has never been like this, and she has been in that field alone for 7 years" well need i point out why the poor mare stands by the gate to my mares ALL day....  most livery yard owners understand one thing MONEY... I wish some more people understood HORSES. |
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zebedeedeb
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 9:35:57 PM
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oh i do feel sorry for you and your baby, my Indie is now 20 months old and has lived out in my little herd since he was 6 months old, just a week after i got him, yes there have been a few knows and bites, but he can play if he wants and he has the most polite manners when we do a little groundwork once a week,
i think turnout for babies is a must, how else can they learn to be a horse and all that goes with living in a herd if they dont get the chance to be a horse,,i am lucky as i rent a piece of land and only my 3 horses are on it,, wouldnt want to be with any others and all the problems that can entail,,,, deb,, |
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Bebely
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 9:56:06 PM
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I wouldn't worry too much about needing other babies for your youngster to go out with. (JMO)
I had hoped for a similar set up for Tamba when he came home at 6 months old but he ended up out with my older chap, just the two of them, until he was 2 years old. He got some, but perhaps a bit less, play but he learned a LOT about manners. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:24:39 PM
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Yes a group of youngsters out on their own can easily turn into a group of hooligans - much better to have some adult influence and discipline as well, we bought an auntie for Charlie and Ruby when they were weaned and she has kept them in line. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:31:12 PM
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| I also think he'd be better off with some older company - after all in their natural herd state the youngsters are kept in line by the older ones - so don't limit your search for the turnout he needs to just places with other youngsters. |
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zebedeedeb
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:45:12 PM
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| very true, Indie had my old lady arab sheree who was 29 yrs young, my old hunter red who was 31 yrs young, and Tosca who was 8 yrs old, sadly we both the old ones last year but he and Tosca are happy even tho it took a while to get over the loss of the others,, one in jan 11 and one in dec 11,,, i really think the older ones gave him such a calm and steady start with enough playtime and lessons.. |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 09:42:17 AM
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| none of my youngsters are in groups of just youngsters, never have been... but they are all out if not 24/7 then ALL day, and allways have been. |
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sab2
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 12:00:24 PM
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Mine are all in mixed herds, it dose the younger one good to be kept under control by the older mares, they normally only need telling a couple of times and they learn respect.
Such a shame you are having a few problems but don,t despair, spring is not too far away now and then hopefully you will get him out a lot more. |
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RUTHIE
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 1:08:32 PM
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Flash at 19 months lives out with Magic at 19 and Fey at 15. I think living with older horses has done him a world of good as he frequently gets put in his place when too annoying. Teaches them to understand boundaries of respect and manners.
I sympathise at your plight to try and cater for a youngsters needs on a yard. Some are very sadly lacking in facilities and to expect a young animal to be cooped up is not only stressful for the animal but down right dangerous to be handled.....imo |
     
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 1:40:57 PM
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personally i'd just find a yard that all year turnout is available on, its a pet hate of mine yards that keep horses in at the first bit of rain .
I dont think it needs to be a young herd, horses work well in mixed age groups and natural hirachy esablishes easily.
I have horses on my yard from 2 - 27 years old and they all go out all day every day what ever the weather. YES horses DO wreck the land, but unless your prepared to fix it every year with good field management ( and have summer rotaltional fields) as we do...then DONT have horses on the land! happy horses+fields+winter = MUD!
I think the problem is that people have no idea how much fields cost to fix and how much land is actually required for a livery yard. Every year our fields are rolled harrowed weed killed and where necessary reseeded and fertilised. this all costs money.
BUT we have a summer field and a winter field for every group so its not a problem. ( not all livery yards are bad  )
If you go to see a yard, check they have a rotational field, not just one set of fields they're on all the time then they're much more likey to turn out regardless.
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 3:28:10 PM
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Well I asked the YO this morning if he could put my lad out if his go out during the week as it's dropped alot colder. Apparently it's not frozen enough!
The yard that I am waiting for space on has acres of open land with mixed grazing so he wouldn't just be with other youngsters. It's alot further away that my yard is now but that isn't my main concern. Once he's out I plan to bring him into the yard 2 or 3 times a week for general handling and manners. The rest of the time he can just be a baby. |
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