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Pasch
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 11:15:35 PM
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If horses are so used to noise,then what is all the shouting and stampeding about?I thought that was so the horses got more excited/scared so they would have more of that arab look and movements.
Of course there is abuse in every discipline,that's not what we are talking about here. |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 3:40:21 PM
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Ever heard of crowd excitement?? And yes it is also to get the horses more excited, in my experience frightened horses don't prance round with their tails over their backs, they clamp them down and run. My horses are trained to respond, not flee in terror!
As said before, why oh why do people go to these places every year then moan about it. And abuse is abuse if actually evident, or does no one care about other breeds?? |
     
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Zan
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 4:06:16 PM
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Pashon, actually, I don't go to these shows precisely because of this kind of behaviour. I think you are missing the point which is that those of us who hate this type of showing feel that OUR beloved breed as a whole suffers as a result of the ownership of in-hand showing being taken over by this.
It's not a matter of " don't go if you don't like it" because I hate the fact that it is going on!!
As for abuse going on elsewhere--Pasch so rightly said "Of course there is abuse in every discipline,that's not what we are talking about here." Two wrongs don't make a right, and there will be, and have been, other threads on all sorts of abuse, and that is the time and place to discuss that, not here, which is a thread specifically about in-hand showing of Arabians.
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Kazzy
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 4:09:56 PM
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Some people dont even go and moan about it Pashon!! I went and saw a few frightened horses but all in all the majority were not frightened. But you can go to any show Arab or not and see horses and ponies that are frightened of the show scene. By that it deosnt mean to say its ok for horses to be frightened its not.
How anyone can judge what went on from one video is beyond me.
If you feel that bad about it go next year and complain thats what I say instead of coming on forums, not just this one but others aswell and moaning about it.
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 4:25:01 PM
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I know perfectly what is being said, and I don't see inhand showing ruining the breed. But whatever I think others will think differently. I personally don't want the old fashioned show pony style of showing to come back. That is just as detrimental I think.
All horses are individuals, and whatever you do with them some will enjoy it, some will not, I have horses here that do not enjoy showing, whether it be the modern style or local show pony style, so they don't go.
Most people, and I do repeat MOST have different goals in mind for their horse/s. This is great as the old saying 'horses for courses', if individuals are abusive to their horses they should be punished accordingly in whatever sphere of leisure or competition they enjoy, but I don't see why a style (that a lot of people do like) should be stopped because of a minority.
I for example did not like hunting, but I never tried to stop others from doing it. |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 8:58:26 PM
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There were horses there which were a delight to watch
I have a mental picture of my favourites like many people.Some of the ridden work was exceptional and bodes well for the future .
The winning mare ,the dapple mare with the fluid action ,a young stallion with really great paces ,and some of the horsemanship was also notable .
By the way is Seamus on steroids?
There are always negatives but lets remember a good show overall |
    
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Vik1
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Posted - 16 Sep 2011 : 9:16:41 PM
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Ive never been so I cant make too much of a comment about it but imo..I can understand crowds cheering on the horses as a way of support and if the horse reacted in an 'excited' way and went all prancy then so be it. However I would not be happy at people making a racket with the intent of making the horses senses heightened just so they show the prancy trot. I dont think a big prancy trot is really needed for an arab to show how beautiful it is.
Ive seen at shows people waving bags behind welshies to make them move and majority of my showing friends just snort down their noses at them. If at arab shows this is what happens, tbh this is one reason why 'other' showing people dont like arab showing. In fact a strong word a friend of my uses to describe arab showing is 'grotesque'. Perhaps things like this does need to change to try to get non arab people to become more supportive of the breed. |
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Tzarina
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Posted - 17 Sep 2011 : 11:57:19 AM
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All the arabs I have ever had have never had their 'senses heightened' to get a big prancy trot out of them, for the simple reason that is what arabs do naturally - they dance, with their big elevated trot.
I know where i stand on this debate and the people who know I agree with their comments will realise who they are, so I am not going to write anything further, hence me keeping so quiet so far.
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Pasch
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Posted - 17 Sep 2011 : 3:57:48 PM
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Zan,you took the words out of my mouth.I've been to shows I think 3 or 4 times,I don't go anymore.
Vik1,please do go once,the racket(and what a racket!) is not only to get the prancy trot,but also the wide open eyes,flared nostrils,veins showing,snorting and so on.Your friend has a good definition there IMO. |
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A short video from last day of towerlands
