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littlearabians
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2011 : 11:04:08 AM
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| just a bit of news from the other side of the north sea.... I have now been toold that the creams from the vets ei. thuja and xxterra have been banned quite a while ago... so guess it now makes sence i had an email last summer from a girl wanting help aranging transport to liverpool as her horse needed to go over here to sarcoid treatment. |
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marionpack
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England
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 11:58:48 AM
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Tried to see if the blood root used was the xxterra one but the label warn away, but it came from the vet about 10 months ago.
Has anybody had these operated on, when Sam was 5 (22 years ago) he had 2 removed surgically then injected with something every other day, and they have never come back
I also wonder if they are a lot more common now, as when Sam had his not many people had heard of them and it is only in the last few years that most people with horses either have them on their horse or know of a horse that has them,
Maybe we should post before and after pics and let people know what treatment they have used |
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 12:18:56 PM
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I had a horse a few years ago who when I bought him had one small sarcoid on his ear, within one year he had loads that were really quite awful. I didn't have the BCG injection but I did have the course of Liverpool creme which was unsuccessful. I then used a different vet and had them banded, this worked for about 3-6 months at a time before re-growth. Looking back I wish I had gone straight for surgery at the beginning and had either laser or cryo removal. I can't help but feel I put him in a lot of pain, he was on bute a lot of the time when they were banded. As I only bought this horse to back and sell on I didn't have an emotional attachment, I did however breath a sigh of relief to not have the worry anymore, I should stress that his sarcoids were really very bad, I also think they were made that bad by me trying different things, hindsight is a wonderful thing though :( He was insured but by the time I had claimed years of treatment using various methods I had maxed out my ability to claim for surgery, I had either claimed the maximum amount or I couldn't claim for it anymore. It was such a shame as he really was a good horse ruined due to the amount and location of them. I hope all the people who are currently treating their horses for this condition have better luck than me. I have another friend whose horse has just got a few and she asked my advice. I would say to anyone now, treat them aggressively as quickly as possible, it seems to be now that applying some creams or using some not so permanent methods results in the condition worsening very quickly.
I would also agree that they seem to be more common now than 20 or 30 years ago, but that may be more down to awareness, it's hard to tell. |
    
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poppyandbea
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England
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 1:10:10 PM
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beas sarcoid today
the bcg due friday has been put of until monday as my vets hoping to see professer derek knottenbelt while hes in liverpool her nodules have grown but swelling gone down and original sarcoids just come away, i have to keep it clean glad weathers not so good a less flies around, |
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marionpack
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 1:49:22 PM
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| Poppyandbea, this is what happened to my friends horse, the sarcoid would grow, fall off, then re-grow, vet advised to band it so he did, now the horse has about 15/16 some very large and angry due to the blood root, a different vet said it should have been left well alone with no treatment at all, in hind sight that would have been best as he would have had just the one and not numerous angry bleeding ones |
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morag
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England
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 8:27:04 PM
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 Just a quick update - I started using a high fluorise toothpaste on my mare back in the summer. I'm not good at consistently using anything but eventually the one on her face peeled and fell off. The ones above her eye have disappeared!! and I'm told this is the most difficult to treat. The one on her elbow is dry and crusty - the vet came today and he picked them off. The little worm like threads on her belly - they were dry - he stretched and twisted them and they fell off!! the two in her groin/udder area which hadn't done anything with the toothpaste - he had a look, a feel and then said " you can add that to your collection!" and he presented me with a round white lump!! GROSS but when I asked if that was the large lump he said "NO" and handed me another 4 times the size!! The lumps had been floating under the skin and he had grabbed round behind and popped them though the skin!! His considered opinion is that they do sometimes float and can be removed WHOLE and they shouldn't necessarily grow again. Apart from the wound bleeding for a while, my mare just stood there and let him squeeze!! Next time the little madam tries to kick me for brushing her tummy- she might just get told off!
Sorry to be so descriptive and yes it is rather disgusting - but I wanted to let everyone know that some types can be removed/ got rid of with the toothpaste - I must be lucky with the type of sarcoid my mare had. Hope some of you have a receptive vet and good luck too! |
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 8:44:00 PM
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| Gross, but very interesting, lets hope that's an end to them. |
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Quarabian
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Wales
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 9:06:18 PM
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| The little mate I spoke about responded to the toothpaste too. The one on her face just flattened out and disapeared. The one on her neck looked like a pea and has just shrunk to a tiny thing. So it is worth trying toothpaste. I don't think it is as toxic as some of the other remedies. |
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sasha
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 9:43:38 PM
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Well, adding to my earlier post, my mare has not had any more sarcoids since I used the toothpaste. I also told a friend about it who has an arab with a golf ball sized sarcoid..had it a long time.
She got some of the toothpaste off ebay, as I did and applied it for about a month... sarcoid shrivelled and now gone. |
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jillandlomond
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 9:45:43 PM
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I'm afraid the toothpaste method didn't work on the verruculour sarcoid inside one of my boy's armpits. So decided to use the Liverpool cream... and so far so good! Cream applied for 1 week, sarcoid got bigger then 3 weeks later it dropped off .
My vet has to send pics of the lesion to Prof Knotty in 2 weeks time to check all is in order. We've kept the cream just in case we have to repeat the treatment. |
    
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Milotkha
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Posted - 17 Jan 2012 : 10:58:04 AM
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Mila is having sarcoid treatment this week. The vet is coming out tomorrow, Fri and next monday. I have read so many different stories and not one is the same..! I just hope they dont come back bigger and uglyer..!
Hers are only small but vet says its best to get rid..! I just really really hope it doesnt agravate them 
I shall keep you all updated |
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poppyandbea
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Posted - 17 Jan 2012 : 6:06:12 PM
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just a quick update on bea shes had more liverpool cream on her bum sarcoid as the first treatment failed and now its a waiting game,
the sarcoid on her face thats now malignent seems to now be improving with the bcgs on her face but has to be closely monitered and although the lups still there and feels horrid her face it looking better and were hoping the lumps are puss filled and will slowly shrink |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 18 Jan 2012 : 11:32:02 AM
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| sorry to read that Kim.... Ive spoken to my vet and he says the chemicals in the toothpaste combined with very high fluoride content works similar to chemotherapy and thats why so many sarcoids respond well to toothpaste treatment, he says he has done it for several years... |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 19 Jan 2012 : 1:39:33 PM
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Thanks Jane. First treatment went ok, just gotta keep everything crossed that it clears them up. She has ner next one tomorrow and the last on Monday.
Poor little mare.
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glo
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 10:33:21 PM
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I was clipping the old mare I have been given, she was a bit jittery and moving all over the place I just thought she was being naughty, when I looked I had clipped of a sarcoid, It has now healed and gone. Not recommended but I did not see it. I felt bad for Tizzy, when I told one of my friends she almost wet herself laughing.  |
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Renee
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Posted - 30 Jan 2012 : 11:14:40 PM
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| Just a quick note to add to this. I am utterly convinced that the Liverpool cream treatment I allowed my vet to administer to my mare, Khylie, was the beginning of the end for her. I can't begin to tell you what it looked like when chunks of flesh fell off her, and how ill she looked throughout the whole thing. She went downhill from there. I wish to this day I'd never done it. I can't even talk about her without getting upset I feel so guilty. Particularly as I've always been someone who promotes alternative/complimentary therapies. So, whatever you do, try anything before you do that. I feel horrible about it even now. Renee |
      
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Silver
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 2:02:23 PM
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Renee so sorry about your mare but dont dwell on the past you were doing what you thought was best for her.
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Quarabian
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 3:31:27 PM
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| So sorry about your experience with the Liverpool creqam Renee. I was lucky. The cost of the treatment without any real promise of success, plus the scar that would be left (according to my vet) made me wait a while. During that time I read about the toothpaste so we tried that instead. The fact that this was a youngster and a very small lesion probaly helped. But the vets would not definately say it was a sarcoid, so why put her through the aggressive treatment. My filly has nothing where the scaly skin was on her face. Vet said this was one of the hardest type to treat so well done for posting this thread in the first place Milotka and whoever started the post. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 6:36:17 PM
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Must admit I have mixed feelings about the Liverpool Cream. Lily started off with one sarcoid under her belly, and then developed 4 more, all flat scaly ones. She started the Liverpool cream treatment, different strengths for different ones. She has had 4 courses of treatment. 2 responded to the cream, 2 more disappeared on their own (while we were waiting for the cream to arrive) and the one on her chest is now an angry looking red scab (but hasn't got any bigger). No more have appeared. This is two years on from her initial treatment, and Dr Knottenbelt wants another photo to decide what to do. Personally I don't really want her to have another course of the Liverpool cream, because of what is involved and because I really want to get her going with endurance this year and I don't like the idea of doing that with a sarcoid under treatment. However I do want to do what is best for her.
It is also right underneath her chest between her forelegs, which effectively stops me using a breastplate so obviously I would rather it went altogether.
Maybe I should try the toothpaste, but really don't want to do anything to make it worse. |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 7:38:54 PM
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| Callisto, I think the thing with the toothpaste is that it isn't going to make matters worse. At the worse it is just going to be ineffective. the Liverpool cream however is toxic and will leave a scar, or not work at all. Maybe I'm being simplistic, but I don't like that the vets are experimenting on our horses. If we put toothpaste in our own mouths I hope it is not going to do any harm to the skin on our horses, give it a try. |
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debs
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Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 08:32:44 AM
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| Ali starts a new course of the liverpool cream as 1 has returned...if it doesn't get rid its toothpaste for us... |
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