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Callisto
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 8:34:25 PM
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I picked up this second hand bridle this afternoon, it is a rolled double bridle, with two headpieces to take a bit each (if that makes sense?!) but with this single bit in it - is it a form of fake double bridle for horses that can't take two bits? It is missing the curb chain. I'm not planning to use it, but I've never seen one before, and I'd like its use explained to me.
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  Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Edited by - Callisto on 02 Aug 2011 8:37:25 PM
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RUTHIE
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 8:50:03 PM
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| I've had a look at one of my books and the closet I came to identifying it was a Pelham. They can be ported or with mullen mouthpieces. The straight bar pelham is known as the Rugby Pelham. Either two reins or roundings. Not sure if this right but hope helps you. |
     
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 8:56:09 PM
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| It's unlike any pelham I've seen before because the second headpiece connects to the ring thats on a metal link to where you would attach the rein on a conventional pelham - the upper rein is connected to this ring too, with the curb rein on the lower ring as normal. It's like a strange hybrid pelham/double bridle. The extra ring appears to be standing in for the snaffle on a conventional double bridle. |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Vik1
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 8:58:38 PM
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| Its a rugby pelham. Its basically for showing horses who cant take a double bit. It gives the look of a double as you have the sliphead. Yes it should have a curb. It works the same as a normal pelham. They arent as fashionable as they once were. Most people just use a normal pelham these days. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 9:05:50 PM
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Thanks Vik1, I knew someone on here would be able to enlighten me  |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Vera
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 9:13:37 PM
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I agree it is a mullen mouth Rugby Pelham. It is surprising how many people don't know that it should be used with a slip head and leave it dangling free, which looks aweful. Especially if they don't keep a strong contact on it and it flaps as they are cantering along!
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 9:24:29 PM
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Ok next question - is it a relatively kind bit? (Taking into account that yes it has a curb, and obviously depends on the hands of the user, but unless you use the curb rein essentially it is a straight bar snaffle, or am I mistaken?). Apologies for previous posts - so long since I used a double bridle I forgot it was called a slip head, not 'a second head piece'  |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Vera
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 9:36:51 PM
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A favorite saying of mine is that a bit is only as kind as the hands holding the reins!
If the hands are kind then yes this is a kind bit if you don't hang onto the curb. You can also do the curb chain up a link or two looser or use a leather, or an elastic curb instead of a chain. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 9:47:33 PM
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| Thanks Vera |
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georgiauk
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:13:58 PM
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| The Mullen mouth affects the corners of the mouth and the pelham cheeks exert pressure on the poll and curb chain 8) |
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Vik1
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:18:09 PM
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It works the exact same way as a normal pelham. You can get different mouthpieces just the same as normal pelham. It was designed to give the illusion your horse was wearing a double bridle but it couldnt because of their mouth/tongue size or if you werent quite experienced enough to be able to work a double properly.
I would never use it with roundings tho as it is a show bit. Plus I think if it had roundings it would end up with too much curb action.
Think it was quite popular about 15 years ago but rarely see a horse in one now. |
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Vera
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:28:24 PM
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| Sorry I don't agree Vik, there were plenty at the National's, including being used without a sliphead. |
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Vik1
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:44:57 PM
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| Oh really?? I only saw one for the 1st time in ages just the other week. I think the normal pelham looks better personally. The girl was jumping her horse in it and no she didnt have a sliphead. Did have 2 reins tho. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:49:56 PM
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Since you've told me what it is I've done a bit of googling, and apparently some horses go better in it than a conventional pelham, so there is presumably some slight difference in its action (with a second sliphead)
I would think that the reason you have seen them used Vera is because of the Arab mouth? |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
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Pop
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 11:29:16 PM
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| I think, the specific bit as a whole is a strong bit, but the mouthpiece 'mullen mouth....' is nice and maybe kind I think for sensitive mouths and where they don't have bags of space. So quite a strong bit, but potentially the specific mouth piece, as in the picture, is kinder (but, hands etc ...) Only use rubber now and not completely sure memory is right. Think the ring makes it a bit kinder. |
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sub
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 08:40:35 AM
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This bit has been around for ages - Personally, I hate them!
Any bit can be rough in the wrong hands, as can any bit be soft in the right hands.
I have seen the rugby pelham used on everything from 12hh ponies, to 17hh Hunters.
You can soften the curb action by using an elastic curb, but I think the bits look ugly, especially on an arab (JMO)
Personally, if you want a pelham whis style - I'd use a show pelham - looks the same apart from the link between the "bradoon" and the "weymouth" part of the bit. These look a lot tidier and far neater on a fine head. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 19 Sep 2011 : 09:31:13 AM
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| Just as an update, I tried this on Lily to see how she went in it (with a loose webbing curb) - and she liked it better than any other bit I've tried her in, which surprised me greatly. She's stopped doing Llama impressions with her mouth open, and mouths it very happily, something that has not happened with her expensive Neue Schule bits. I have been riding her in a Dr Cooks, which she went better in than the snaffles I had previously tried, but once she gets sweaty in it she gets cross and keeps trying to rub it. Not sure I really want to be doing endurance with two sets of reins, but if that's what she likes.... |
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 19 Sep 2011 : 09:50:31 AM
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| I am surprised she didn't like the Neue Schule bit every horse I have tried one on loves it, Arabi will have nothing else in his mouth. |
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Kharidian
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Posted - 19 Sep 2011 : 2:15:52 PM
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That just shows - it really is "horses for courses" lol
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What kind of bit is this?
