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Kes
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2011 : 11:31:10 PM
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Can anyone help please? It has been raining here since Sunday lunchtime and just stopped earlier. When I got to the yard today Kes had 2 awful great long knots in his mane which someone called 'Windtangles'.
Having always had horses with pulled manes I've never had to deal with this before. Kes has got a very long mane which goes well under the bottom of his neck so I really want to save as much mane hair as I can.
I managed to pull one apart with minimal damage and half the other one but now it is stuck.
Does anyone know how to undo these without ripping out hairs, and also, apart from light plaits has anyone got any tips on how to prevent them?
Carole.
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Fleas
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 01:36:22 AM
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| Canter spray (or pig oil and sulphur cheaper but messier!) one of my highlands gets these altho his hair is thicker this year, I would say no to plaits as Arabs have such beautiful fine hair, just keep it sprayed regularly when they are prone to knotting x |
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 07:03:58 AM
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Yes, any horse hair conditioner spray (I use it on my hair ) and lots of patience. Sometimes you find there is a little burr in the middle of the plait (love the name Windtangle!) |
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kathleen
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delly-b
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 08:12:12 AM
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" Does anyone know how to undo these without ripping out hairs,"
..... Unfortunately knot!!! ....  ... Oh dear, sorry I couldn't resist that one... Mmmm maybe I need to get out more...
Anyway, my mare gets these, and I usually start at the bottom and try "untwist" the tangle and work my way up (sometimes wet with lots of shampoo if really bad) Unfortunately, I think it's hard to get away without some small breakage though. ... As for plaits, I just tried this recently on one of my youngsters to try train his mane to lay on the right side. I did them fairly loose at the roots, however, somehow (not sure how) he managed to rip a whole chunk of one plait out by the roots :-( I'm not sure I'd try that again, so I guess I would try the conditioning method as a preventative.
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Gail
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 08:13:18 AM
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Hi,
If you spray on a detangler and leave for 10 mins then work away patiently with your fingers to cause minimal damage. I actually put Cowboy Magic serum on his mane and tail once a fortnight to prevent these "twizzles" as I call them.
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kassha
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 08:21:47 AM
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Hi there,try soaking the offending tangles with baby oil (loads) and leave overnight makes it much easier to undo.
I have tried Brylcreem -works well-but pretty expensive over the winter and baby oil easier and cheaper.
I just spray with mane and tail conditioner all other times and very rarely brush just run fingers through -it's the constant brushing of manes and tails that makes them thinner and I like mine full and long!!! |
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Lanabanana
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 08:30:09 AM
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Cowboy Magic serum, brilliant stuff!
Work some into the tangle and leave it for a little while, muck out, have a cup of tea, whatever. Tease the tangle apart with your fingers and then a comb.
I used to have long haired dogs (Afghans) and you have to use a similar method for detangling their coats and believe me they get some horrendous matts.
As someone else said there is often a tiny bit of vegetation at the centre of the tangle. |
     
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Kes
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 09:29:08 AM
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Thanks everyone, see we have 'twizzles' as well as 'windtangles', I did have another name for them yesterday after finding them but I can't write it here
In what I have at the yard already is loads of shampoo, conditioner, baby oil, mane & Tail shine and coat shine. I will patiently try each and see how I go. If I am not successful I will get some Cowboy Magic serum this afternoon.
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Quarabian
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 09:46:01 AM
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Love it, windtangles, twizzles mine get these but I just called them knotty manes before. I actually like detangling, like popping bubblewrap, it helps if your horse is enjoying it too though because it would be a bind if they wriggled about too much. I echo the use of detangler but baby oil can attract dirt too, it tends to slide off the detangler. You have to be careful you dont drop things when it is on your hands |
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Kes
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 09:54:22 AM
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I'm sure there are some other names for them out there, it's just whether they can be written on a public forum!
He stood quietly for about half an hour when I did the first one and half the second one but then decided it was time to go back to his friends and at that point I gave up! |
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kathleen
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 10:42:47 AM
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Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Don't tell me that, I'm distraught enough at one remaining knot.
The pictures of Kes in my sig strip and avatar were taken about a year ago (I think) so now he is a lot whiter (sometimes:/)!! but also has a lot longer mane. I have only had him 2 months and poeple at my yard think his mane is longer since he's been here! odd. |
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 10:50:19 AM
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this is so common with Arabians , they tend to swing their heads around 90 degrees and make their own ringlets a lot of mine do it when they are annoyed about something , Like I didnt get them in at the time they wanted !
I sold a mare to a man who had never owned arabians and two weeks into her new home he phoned up saying you have sold me a head shaker ! What ! no she wasnt a head shaker she was bloody annoyed about not getting enough food, I bought her back and just in time as she was nearly starving out on a paddock with a lot of welsh ponies no grazing! the upshot was as soon as she was happy she stopped her twizzing she is now a champion ridden mare and a wonderful mum to boot !. with undoing them it depend how bad they have got , I can manage to undo them without much damage but there have been times were it was a bloomin task , so the advice you have had from the girls should do the trick.
he sounds like a good boy to stand with you in the field while you had a go with a stable you have a captive audience |
   
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Kes
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 12:25:55 PM
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Hi Lyndilou, I had a PB Arab years ago and was always fascinated by her 'at liberte' in the field with the head swinging thing. I later saw it in the film 'The Black Stallion' and realised, as he was Arabian, it was an Arab thing. I have never seen it in another breed of horse so prominently but stand to be corrected on that.
I have had many good tips from people so something should work!
He is a very good boy and as I have only had him 2 months (owned for 3 months but he went for starting) and I am very proud also. He is such a kind horse but is very funny also. When he is bored with lunging (that's 5 minutes then) he takes the whip from me, chews it and throws it!! He has also thrown buckets over the door and tips my grooming kit everywhere if it's within his reach!! He also holds the yard record on eating a LARGE Likit, 35 minutes!! He doesn't lick, he chews!! Before anyone says, I had his teeth checked and some work done 6 weeks ago. he's just big on chewing and playing!!
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LYNDILOU
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Kes
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 2:54:05 PM
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| He is completely lovable and means the absolute world to me, he's the man of my life but don't tell my OH that |
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parkvillenerog5
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England
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 3:09:27 PM
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My gelding head twirls, hence tangling his mane.
im another fan of canter mane and tail spray.
I tried mtg and pig oil but i found it made his lovely light mane go a horrid dirty grey colour, still to this day after god knows how many washes, i cant get it back to the colour it was, so be careful of anything that dirt and grime could grip to e.g oils etc imo
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 3:21:39 PM
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I emailed a friend last night about his mane tangles and whereas she said the same about conditioner and baby oil she said not to use any of the sprays that contain Silicone. I haven't got a bottle here to check but when you use canter spray it does goes very slippery so I wonder if that has Silicone in it. She said that long term Silicone aided in snapping the hairs, anyone else heard of this?
Doesn't the head twirling look great though, although if it was me I would go dizzy and fall over |
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parkvillenerog5
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 3:40:50 PM
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Ooohh will check the bottle when i get to the stables, i can see where your friend is coming from, i suppose this would weaken the hair.
As for the head swirling ha, its beautiful lol, except when its that extreme it knocks me to the ground ha, naughty boy Solitaire |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 3:54:17 PM
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My gelding does it all the time and I call them his Bob Marley dreadlocks!
I suppose if I had his long naturel blonde locks then I would be swaggering down the road twirling my head aswell
I use Canter or mane and tail conditioner every so often it doesnt stop it all the time but it helps a bit.
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Misshana
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 5:18:42 PM
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| My gelding has quite coarse mane and tail hair and it tangles all the time. Cowoy Magic is brill and it doesn't go sticky the next day. |
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LYNDILOU
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Kes
Platinum Member
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 6:36:17 PM
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Mr Sheen! Anything to do with the polish additives or the anti-static? Could do with that for my own hair sometimes
I got the last knot out quite easily actually and didn't snap off or pull out too much mane. I gave it a quick shampoo then drowned it in human conditioner. After about 5 minutes it started to come apart and I was just left with a tiny knot at the bottom which couldn't be saved but at least it was right at the bottom and not half way up. I then gave him the drowning of his life in tangler..he smells super |
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 6:46:59 PM
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Avon Skin So Soft oil applied direclty to the knot will ease it out and it will last for a couple of days too (I find baby oil binds up after 36hrs).
Always condition after a bath, and spray with somethign super slippy - silicone based - all the horsey brands make them, but Mr Sheen is just as good.
I use the oil for my outdoor ones - added bonus of beig fly repellent so a swished oily mane or tail gently spreads the oil over thighs / tummy / ears etc too |
    
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Pasch
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Posted - 07 Jun 2011 : 10:57:18 PM
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I once spent one afternoon and 2 bottles of human conditioner detangling the very long tail of a mare(not an arab)it was so knotted the owner wanted to cut it short.I never used a comb on Pasch,once in a while I wash his tail and mane just with warm water and spray some detangler when it's still wet,use my fingers starting from the points to detangle the occasional(rare)knot.Unfortunately he leaves lot of his mane on fences stucking his head out to get that extra blade of grass or hay As for the head twirling,he does that when he's excited about something,I also wonder how they don't get dizzy,too! |
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Windtangles disaster!
