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nerissanic
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 Posted - 21 Feb 2011 : 11:33:06 PM
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| i'm thinking the same as scooter. and i could quite happily do the same to those 'men'. |
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k brown
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 12:04:18 PM
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Lynda, as a supporter of the Brooke I am surprised that you don't know that they have been working for years to try and stop the practice of making horses pull large carts with the back wheels "locked" to show how strong they are.
Unlike in this country where there are laws regarding the treatment of animals in Egypt they can treat their animals pretty much as they like so the Brooke has no power to stop the practice, they can only advise and do the best they can in the circumstances. They are well aware of the practice.
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LYNDILOU
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Vik1
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Posted - 22 Feb 2011 : 6:01:16 PM
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| I just dont get their mentality at all! I just dont understand anyone who can not feel any sort of empathy towards animals. Surely they have the brains to work out for themselves that whipping a horse its legs is not going to achieve what they want. It doesnt take a genius!! and Im best not commenting on their culture values. |
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tiny
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 1:25:35 PM
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| This is a very sad and shocking video but we must also realise that this behaviour is the norm for these people just as if you look at our own social history it once was in this country, until laws were introduced to protect animals from such acts of cruelty. If you watch the little boy on the wagon he is very relaxed about what is happening and knows no different we live in a society where we care, love and respect our animals but to these people they are nothing more than a livelyhood. It is easy to condemn them but surely the best way to help protect these animals is by teaching these people of a better and kinder way. to help them understand that they will in the long term gain so much more from a horse that loves and trusts them. We as a society have learned that an animal is more than a comodity and surely we can teach these people too. There was a time where you could see simular practices up and down our country at markets and country fairs. I ask we not be so quick to judge as if it wasn't for someone teaching a better practice here would things have changed? A social conscience is a fine thing but now is time use this not to condemn but to educate! |
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k brown
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tiny
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 24 Feb 2011 : 10:00:37 AM
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[right]Originally posted by tiny
''we live in a society where we care, love and respect our animals''
Really ?
Claire, I agree with most of your excellent post in fact. I haven't watched the video because I have seen similar things only too many times with my own eyes, it's my day off, I'm going riding and I KNOW it will make me cry.
I have been lucky enough at times in my life to work in such environments and be able to try to do something practical to change the way things are,(and it is in my experience possible to help people see things differently, everywhere there are some people who are just natural born b%$£"&^%s, but most people aren't), this Autumn I am going to Ethiopia to do some work with horses there.
However, most of the time, most of us feel powerless.... but we are NOT. There are a lot of us and we can do a lot of good even from here, for example by supporting the work of the likes of Brooke and SPANA etc.
However ... and the reason for my 'really?' comment is that our own house is not in order either.. horses (and other animals) suffer every day in this country.. from outright neglect, starvation, through to physical and mental torture even at the 'highest' levels of sport, and we in our rich well educated society have far, far less excuse than others.
There is a huge amount we can do, from the way we treat our own animals and teach our children, through volunteering for and donating to charities to never ever standing by but speaking up for the animals when we see suffering ... even if it makes us unpopular. I know many people do all of this already, but the reason that I am saying this is, for me, it is pointless, even slightly voyeuristic viewing such a video, and a waste to get furious and sickened, UNLESS we use it as a spur to do something, no matter how small, to make a difference. Lynda is right to try to convert outrage to positive action, we may not be able to help those poor individual horses but we can do a little thing to help or make a small donation in their name.
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Pax
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England
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Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 6:59:23 PM
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Well said, Lisa. The only positive thing to do is to donate to Brooke and pray they will one day educate these people and the practice will end.
I could only watch one horse before becoming too upset to look at any more. As long as it helps them to get a good price I fear it will not stop |
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Pax
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Posted - 25 Feb 2011 : 7:02:10 PM
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| And yes JKirsty - in hand training methods can be just as bad and I hope all those expressing their disgust do not encourage cruelty in any way by applauding trainers who win with terrified horses, or, worse, sending theirs to be on the receiving end of such training... |
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Ryans_gem
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 11:00:24 AM
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| Watched 20 seconds had to stop I'd like to use that whip on those so called humans!!! whips shouldn't be allowed near animals full stop I have never felt comfortable with whips so I haven't even just carried one for years. |
  
My horse is my very best friend. Nothing in the world can separate us. When he dies I know he'll be waiting for me at the gate... just like always.
A horse doesn't care how much you know, untill he knows how much you care.
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Roseanne
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Posted - 26 Feb 2011 : 11:09:58 AM
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It wasn't all that long ago that ignorant cruelty was the norm in the UK. It took Anna Sewell to write Black Beauty to create a change of sorts. Horses were used as beasts of burden, used til they collapsed or were injured out of use etc. As a country gets more prosperous and can afford more mechanisation, use of horses and donkeys is reduced so I guess we should also be backing political and economic improvement in these countries so they are in a position to change the way they think about horses. It is a long job though and in the meantime, those of us who have been brought up to have empathy with living creatures find it extremely difficult to comprehend!!
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speachless :(
I am sure there is little they can do, but a constant pestering cant do any harm.
