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gabriele ault
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 Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 6:27:54 PM
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Lyndilou you wrote "A true and dedicated breeder can not get to their desired goals by keeping inferior stock and breeding it on. But sadly some dont recognise inferior breeding stock.
It is when inferior stock is thought by barn blind owners to be of amazing quality that the substance and type continue to disappear from the Arabian horse, so flooding an already sinking market. Are we learning and moving forward? I dont think so "
My thoughts on that
1. In Germany some years ago ALL prospective breeding stallions had to pass 2 tests. First of all the stallion licencing (not as it is now)where all stallion were presented in hand and free running over two days. After the first day quite a few did not make the grade and then more were thrown out on the second day. First of all they had to pass a veterinary examination, were measured (too small or too tall were thrown out)and anything with health problems did not make the grade. On average at least 30-50% of the presented stallions were not permitted to be used at stud.
After a stallion has passed this first hurdle he had to pass 100 day trial ridden test (free jumoping, show jumping, dressage, cross country etc and also points for temperament etc.). Only if a stallionpassed both tests he was allowed to be used at stud.
All mares had to qualify on a points system and if they did not reach the required standard you were not allowed to breed from them.
Unfortunately this system was open to abuse and favouritism, big breeders got through on the nod and small breeders or a person with just one horse and limitted funds had hardly a chance. The results in the stallion licencing was also influenced by whatever type was in fashion at the time and some really good horses got rejected.
My question now is what do you all think about this system. Would it help the situation concerning the market by raising the standard of what is being bred? |
 Gabriele
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 6:49:31 PM
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| Without doubt , but you are always going to get differing opinions of what is high quality and what is not. it is a fine line we walk but you have to except that to be a good Arabian horse it must have the look of an Arabian, not a warmblood performance horse, it must have the type that made it famous in the first place. the desert type that will not only carry itself as an Arabian should , one that will do what it was designed for, to carry a man fearlessly into battle, on legs of dense bone, large nostrils to take in huge amounts of air into lungs that are set within a deep chest. I could go on and on . but as I said its a fine line and not all breeders want to continue breeding this type of Arabian. |
   
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 7:04:04 PM
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I totally agree with what you say. Even type is a VERY subjective issue. Obviously an Arab should NOT look like a warmblood but there are so many different interpretations. Look at some oldies that were the foundation of what we have now, people would throw them out of the ring. A Ghazal, Kaisoon, Hadban Enzahi etc would not stand a chance and where would we be without them. It seems now that ring pressence is all that counts. I do not want to say that some of the contemporary show champions are not beautiful and worthy champions but not all of them. Type is not just an extreme head but extreme heads can go with good conformation. But there is so much more to an Arabian horse.
I was just wondering whether a committee consisting not only judges being used to the modern type but also some oldies, a horse vet, a general horse person non Arabian orientated, judges etc not only from the in hand circle but also the ridden would be fairer. It is difficult to express in English exactly what I mean but a good Arabian horse should not be rejected because of fashion. And a badly constructed etc Arabian should not be pushed to the top because of fashion. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 9:25:22 PM
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I agree with you, it IS very subjective. what the answer is I have no Idea, yes the old Arabs would most likely be down the line in today's ring, just as our ancestors might be in a beauty pageant of today, time has a way of evolving our perception of beauty. I will always go back to the picture I posted of Gladys Brown Edwards lovely Nazeer as a template for type  ( well my interpretation of type anyway)
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 07:58:24 AM
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| Wow!!! I agree, that is a lovely example of a well constructed horse full of type. I love Nazeer and all his offspring. Years ago when I started with Arabs in Germany all our horses were either granddaughter or sons of Kaisoon, Ghazal, Hadban Enzahi with a bit of Marbach / Polish lines thrown in to start off. Their conformation was very good. OK not the extreme heads of nowadays but their temperament and ride-ablity was next to none. Maybe I am too old fashioned but I long for these qualities again. All our horses had to prove themselves in the showring and under saddle. I would love to put some photos on but our scanner just died. Will do it as soon as problem is solved. |
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 08:47:00 AM
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I knew Doug would come useful one day - scanner still not working but he had the idea of photographing the photos!!!!! They both show my stallion Rubondo (Ibn Shaker I x Kayda by Kaisoon). The one jumping was taking in 1983 and the one in the showring was taken in 1984 (funny enough the judge was Major Maxwell). Please excuse the poor performance of the handler who could not run _ a much younger me.
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Edited by - gabriele ault on 20 Nov 2010 08:49:45 AM |
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doug ault
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is no one buying foals?
DOUG.