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gabriele ault
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 Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 7:05:58 PM
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| I know of several renowned studs in Europe (mainly Germany but also one or two other countries) that are still covering ALL their mares in the hope of breeding the next superstar. The offspring that don't make the grade are sent to slaughter, rather then put "inferior" stock on the market. The "luckier" once are being sold for next to nothing or sometimes even given away free -especially colts- without any papers. And these people call themselves breeders!!!! |
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Zenitha
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 7:32:05 PM
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That is absolutely appalling  I've often wondered what happens to all the babies bred by the bigger studs - if this is true....words fail me.
There is also the problem of people breeding from animals that really shouldn't be bred from. This is fine if someone wants a baby to keep from a beloved mare, but there are people out there breeding year after year from inferior animals, just because they can, to make 'a few quid'  This drops the standard and lowers the prices for everyone.
It is interesting that in the pedigree cat world (I think possibly for pedigree dogs too) animals are sold as 'breeding stock' at a higher premium - any other animals not on the breeding register cannot have any offspring registered - I think the intention is to keep the standard high (and prices) and keep unsuitable animals from breeding on. I don't know how well this works, and don't think such a system would work within the equine world, I don't know what the answer is ! |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 8:33:35 PM
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The words used usually is to cull the unwanted stock , but that doesn't necessarily mean slaughter.
I know for a fact the biggest and most famous stud in the world, Ansata used to sell oor give away their inferior stock to locals to hack about on, I smiled at the thought of all the famous Ansata bloodlines floating about in Mena, Arkansas But she was right to do this, sold without papers for a few hundred dollars and never to be seen on the market.
A true and dedicated breeder can not get to their desired goals by keeping inferior stock and breeding it on. But sadly some dont recognise inferior breeding stock.
It is when inferior stock is thought by barn blind owners to be of amazing quality that the substance and type continue to disappear from the Arabian horse, so flooding an already sinking market. Are we learning and moving forward? I dont think so  |
   
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arabesque
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 9:37:26 PM
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Sorry Sasha, I misread your meaning there .
You're right about the poor prices, and section A's are even worse! I think everyone agrees that there are far more horses/ponies bred than there are homes for - I think it's the same with all animals though, particularly in the current economic climate. Sadly, things are only going to get worse in the immediate future.
I wishe everyone who needs to sell the best of luck, but more importantly, I wish the animals who have no control over any of this, best of luck in finding caring , knowledgable homes. |
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lottieherts
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 1:33:01 PM
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Come on guys, don't lets all be doom and gloom!!!
I regularly have updates on 'a social networking site' of horses being sold to new homes, although I cannot comment about prices the owners seem pretty happy.....And also updates from people who have just bought a new horse and sound thrilled with it.
It's not all doom and gloom. Things will improve, in fact they are very slowly, in the economy as much as the media would have you disbelieve that |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:03:54 PM
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Some of it is the demise of shows in the shires who do not have Arab classes now
Most of the handlers would take thier customers to nearly all the main UK shows
The ECAHO system has caused a taper to the market
Independent shows locally would generate demand for horses at all levels |
    
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justine
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:26:05 PM
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Alistair - I was just talking to a friend about this situation. I think myself and many others have been sickened by the whole situation.
I for one have a field of horses that many years ago could have only dreamed to own. We are just left now in a situation that we are simply not knowing what to do with these horses. As ive already said my mares are empty :-( no 2011 babies to look forward too. The only thing left to do is get back to the old fun times. Go to UK shows, meet up with friends, have a laugh and just enjoy our horses.
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SueB
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:32:48 PM
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I so agree with you Justine. Next year we are doing just that going to enjoy some UK shows with my filly and have some fun.
Where we come is not important it's more the social side for us nowadays and fun.
The big shows in Europe (for me) are not what they are cracked up to be. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 4:31:48 PM
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| And not so easy to get to either Sue , trouble is if you go to local shows with your beautiful arabs , people accuse you of pot hunting! instead of saying thanks for your support and representation of the breed you just cant win these days , your damned if you do and your damned if you dont. |
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SueB
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 4:42:41 PM
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Competing at affiliated Arab shows and C shows, shouldn't be classed as pot hunting by anyone. It's fair game for us all and these shows are open to anyone.
I'm fed up of staying at home and so wanting to join in. My filly is not to everyones taste!!! She's very bling with much chrome saying that I love her very much, so who cares.
We all need to get out there and support our own Brit shows. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 5:07:41 PM
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No I was talking about local shows Sue , of course you wont be damned for affiliated shows , but getting to them when you have horses at home can sometimes be a problem.
For that reason and the fact I didnt want to leave a heavily pregnant mare for too long,
I went to one show last season , a local agricultural show , but heard about the comments made by people who didn't do so well |
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SueB
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 5:47:21 PM
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You shouldn't worry what folk say, everyone has a moan after a show if they don't win. People soon forget so should you.
It's great being slightly deaf I can't hear the moans now
At least you made the effort to go to a show Lynda!! wish more would then some shows might be saved, good for you. |
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debs
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 8:57:10 PM
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" My filly is not to everyones taste!!! She's very bling with much chromesaying that I love her very much, so who cares. "
Sounds lovely!!! Just my type!
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doug ault
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george
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 10:19:07 AM
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We plan to do as many as we can again next year, I love it, just wish we'd done the "showing thing" much sooner I used to be so nervous at the thought of it  And we will continue to go to all the local little shows that we can, otherwise there's not going to be any Arab classes left to go to, at one local show I think we converted an acquaintance as he is now seriously thinking of buying an Arab! So we should keep showing them all what they are missing |
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weirton
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 10:23:39 AM
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Oh so true, Doug, and what a good job we don't all like the same one. No fighting over it!
Anyway judges aren't always right (even they can't agree so how could they be). Sorry judges but you're only human after all.
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katefox1812
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 11:34:27 AM
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I suppose maybe it depends a bit on what horse one takes to a local show? I mean, it might be perhaps a bit unfair to take a proven top show horse (a national/international winner, say) to a small local show?
But I don't really know - is there some sort of unwritten etiquette on this? |
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LYNDILOU
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alex_22
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:23:01 PM
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I have found that even at local shows there are different levels of competition. At one local show I used to do my mare won everything which was nice but unfair to the others that showed there as they never got a look in!!!
Now I compete still locally but at a show that attracts more quality animals so its a competition to get placed! I do try and support all my local shows but I still want to have fun and at one show I never got placed in 2 years of showing there (despite beating a horse from that show at a qualifier), I would never go again as it was nothing to do with her quality just that I didn't know the judges!!!!
But this is just my experience as a novice shower ( I've only started showing since I bought my first horse a few years ago). |
    
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SueB
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:31:09 PM
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I think you are right Kate, there is an unwritten etiquette that it is not the done thing to take your A Show Champion to say the local riding club show. Where Lynda attended is I think affiliated, so I see no problem in her supporting this show.
To attend affiliated spring shows and then C shows is OK and these are what I will do, but that's only with a yearling filly.
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navaho621
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:32:55 PM
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I wouldn't worry about what you take, i think most local shows would be glad of the support to be honest. Lets face it Arab classes are so poorly attended anyway the chances are there would only maybe be you & at a push 2 others in the class, everyone gets a rosette, job done! I went to Cardigan county show last year, 3 Arab classes, 9 entries over all....1 bothered to turn up! Makes me quite mad that people moan that there are no classes at local level yet no one bothers to support them.
Anyway, i fear we have digressed a little...
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alex_22
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 12:42:45 PM
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sorry to keep the digression going...
But I would love to know which shows have poorly attended Arabs as the shows I go to always have flaming hundreds!!! In fact the last class I entered which was the ridden part/Anglo and pure Arabs at the north west championships has 36 entries! (needless to say I wasn't placed!!)
Could you please tell me which shows need supporting in the part bred Arab department as it's always nice to get a rosette!!! lol |
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kate b
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 1:07:15 PM
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I took an arab of mine to a local show (arab class) where he came second (there were only two in the class!)I was told he was too flamboyant and showy and that I should take him to a 'proper' arab show.... Which I did later on that year and he won reserve BNC!! So that was the first and last time I supported my local show!
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 3:06:16 PM
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A lot depends on the handlers and judges
They can revive the scene |
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ella
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 5:20:06 PM
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The local shows around me are glad of any competetors in Arab classes, & it's lovely for those who have gone along to spectate if a few 'top' horses turn up. I find local clubs to be very supportive & proud of any members with horses good enough to compete at high levels.
When I used to take my Nat.Champ along, he was sometimes placed down the line, but without my entries the classes would have been smaller & less interesting for all. It's not all about pot-hunting but about supporting your local club, schooling & maybe having a go at some other classes. |
   
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is no one buying foals?
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