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Hazel Cornes
Silver Member

United Kingdom
288 Posts

Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 8:49:01 PM

Well done katefox1812, lovely article in the online November issue of the horse breeders magazine, I wondered what I was going to be reading with the title of "odd Couple"!!!!

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Scarlet Arabian
Silver Member

England
339 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 08:15:31 AM

"There still is and always will be a place for a smaller but still robust enough quality horse for the young,small or simply riding club rider who wants to compete in all spheres without being over-horsed or bankrupt from feeding a bottomless pit." weitron

i can not agree more with this went to the AES stallion grading the other day to grade a KWPN black 3 year old colt , standing approx at the moment 15.2hh , loose jumped impeccably but was not graded (although two of the judges wanted to !!)FOR BEING TOO SMALL??? and a bit pony like

may be this is were the popularity of the arab has partly gone in sport horse breeding because people think they need huge horses, so the arab stallion for all their spirit , movement and flair have not been used.
our pintabiann stallion, again a cross of fantastic arab blood with pinto horse from the US, covered two trakehner mares last year, as the owner an eventer herself wanted to improve movement with lightness and wanted a smaller compact horse for her self, being only 5,3",
and i my opion (i may be shot for this one!!!

but i can say this haveing both, some warmbloods are bred to be highly strung and need careful handling,to go on to do the job they were bred for, perhaps not always for the general rider , no disrespect intended to any body,but an arab influence , i have found has improved the willingness and attitude, but still giving quality of movement and top line ,with correct movement to go on to be great all round horses,

i my self do no know whether to grad our stallion with chaps for the obvious reason that he is coloured or do Sports Pony Studbook Society grading ,but it all boils down to cost!!!

abby

stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...

whitsbury/new forest
www.scarletarabianbridles.co.uk

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 2:54:16 PM

This thread seems to have sparked an interesting debate!

I'll sit on the fence and just say that I think there is a place for both larger AND smaller sport horses...and that both would of course benefit from further infusions of Arab blood!

Thank you for all the very kind comments on Tobago and his sport-horse girlfriends - I'll go back and try to reply to any questions, etc. now...

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:13:30 PM

Originally posted by BabsR

Yeah Kate.....what a super Anglo colt

...if Tobago and Witches Broom get their act together and produce a boy!! So few Anglo stallions and a 50/50
is ideal, as all offspring, (even if mares are then
outcrossed to none Arab bloodlines) will still have 12.50% Arab and so, eligible for AHS registration

I am really excited by the prospect that Owners/Breeders are seriously considering infusing Arab blood into their competition Mares......they will not regret such a decision.....and who knows...British Anglo Arabs will be as much sought after as the French Anglos.

I also believe that as more Pure Arab Owners/riders go out there and promote the versatility and capability of Arabians....flying the flag in open competition, so more interest will be geared towards our performance Arabs, Anglos and Part Bred Arabs

We have recently been approached by a top AI centre regarding an Anglo colt who would make at least 16hh, to stand along with ten other stallions. Did have one but declined as we do not sell colts (gelded first)

The future looks good

as obviously biased towards Anglos

Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk

He he - "The future is bright! The future is Anglo!"

Pat would be very happy with a filly too, of course, but a stallion-quality colt would be ideal. I agree with you - there is definitely a need for more really good Anglo stallions...

Fingers crossed!

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:17:38 PM

Originally posted by Kunama

well done you! Its great that breeders outside the arab comunity are takeing crossing to purebreds as a more serious option. I have a facebook friend who breeds some partbreds , have a look on the sports horse page at sorcerers stone, gorgeous!!

I'm so glad you posted this link! I saw this website a while ago - someone posted a link to it on a US forum - but then of course promptly forgot the name of the stud and couldn't find it again!

They have bred some really stunning Arab/WB crosses!

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:23:11 PM

Originally posted by templars

Babs - definitely!!

We've been desperately looking for an Anglo 16.2+ but they just aren't there so that was the final push for us to get off our backsides and breed our own - hence 2 of our larger mares in foal to substantial TB stallions and then bring in an Anglo broodmare (15.2) AND breed a BIG TB so that hopefully in there we'll get the pure TB colt or pure Anglo colt that we so desperately need and then next generation, we can flex the mix to increase the size. We're in it for the long haul

I reckon a couple of generations from now, we should have the right basic framework

We can but dream

This is exactly the kind of long-term, far-sighted approach that is needed! I am so excited to see the results of your programme!

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katefox1812
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:28:08 PM

Originally posted by Mrs Vlacq

The beauty of AA and pbas is there should be one out their to suit everybody - dressage ponies, WHPs, Hacks and Riding Horses, Hunters, Scopey event types and fast as fury endurance types too.

Very good point! All types and sizes of Anglo/PBA are needed - and you seem to be breeding quite a range of very useful sorts yourself!

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:34:56 PM

Originally posted by kirsty

Great news kate, Tobago is a great sire and we are so pleased with our pba (who is almost anglo) by him he stands at 15.11/2 already and is a great chap
Kirsty

Thank you! Tobago could hardly fail with such a super mare! What height do you expect your boy to make?

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:51:10 PM

Originally posted by saddlebred

Welcome back Kate. Lovely to hear an update from the lush Tobago. Very excited about the Witches Broom cross.

Who was the palomino tobagoling? I think I missed that one - I bet it was very lovely indeed.

(sits and sighs

- pondering a Tobago cross with a certain palomino saddlebred filly

) Note to self - you have already got too many horses - stop dreaming!

Thank you! The palomino Tobagoling I mentioned earlier was out of a cremello WB mare - I only have a few tiny-baby photos of him, which apparently don't do him justice (I'll post a couple anyway). He is destined for a dressage career, but meanwhile has already inspired a very serious sport-horse to breed her fully-graded SHB(GB) mare to Tobago. This breeder met and handled the pally-boy and decided, as she put it, that she "just had to have a beautiful and feisty Tobago-foal of my own"!

Here are a few snaps of the pally Tobagoling:

Oh blast - photobucket has changed format and I can't seem to make the pics copy - I'll try to figure it out and post them later...sorry!

....ah, I think I've worked it out (I'm such a numpty at these things). Trying again to copy photos of the WBx pally-baby:

Edited by - katefox1812 on 18 Nov 2010 4:05:50 PM

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Rui
AL Admin

6761 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 3:58:14 PM

Originally posted by katefox1812

Oh blast - photobucket has changed format and I can't seem to make the pics copy - I'll try to figure it out and post them later...sorry!

The sig in my link shows how to post photobucket pics and I can help if you need me to.

How to post flickr photos on AL | How to post photobucket pictures on AL | How to post facebook pictures on AL

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 4:10:34 PM

Thanks Rui - I managed to get over my 'blonde moment' and work out how to do this with the new-format photobucket; it was a simple right-click operation, but I am a bear of very little brain!

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saddlebred
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1706 Posts

Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 4:40:50 PM

He's lovely Kate. Will look forward to seeing him out on the dressage and palomino show circuit one day. Very pretty head. Perfect me thinks. But then I am biased to anything in any shade of gold

Based Bewdley Worcs

Edited by - saddlebred on 20 Nov 2010 1:08:50 PM

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Callisto
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Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 5:07:41 PM

The Tobagoling is very nice indeed

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex

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Nut
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
2838 Posts

Posted - 19 Nov 2010 : 6:27:11 PM

georgeous pally foal

www.ndlarabians.webs.com

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katefox1812
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 1:51:10 PM

Originally posted by saddlebred

He's lovely Kate. Will look forward to seeing him out on the dressage and palomino show circuit one day. Very pretty head. Perfect me thinks. But then I am biased to anything in any shade of gold

Thank you! His head is proof that Tobago's dinky little head can 'override' even a near-Roman nose - here's another pic of his mum:

(ETA - no disrespect intended to mum, who is a v nice mare!)

And, specially for you, another palomino Tobagoling - this little filly was BNC Palomino at Malvern as a yearling:

Thanks to Callisto and Nut too for your kind thoughts!

Edited by - katefox1812 on 20 Nov 2010 1:57:47 PM

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 3:52:56 PM

Originally posted by Hazel Cornes

Well done katefox1812, lovely article in the online November issue of the horse breeders magazine, I wondered what I was going to be reading with the title of "odd Couple"!!!!

He he - I suggested the title 'The Odd Couple' to Horse Breeders magazine, almost as a joke, but the v nice editor must have liked it! I really liked your report on the SPSS gradings, by the way. Horse Deals mag are also doing a piece on the Tobago/Witches Broom 'marriage' -in their Christmas issue, I think...

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Hazel Cornes
Silver Member

United Kingdom
288 Posts

Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 5:24:50 PM

Thanks Kate I look forward to seeing your article. The Editor also said the SPSS would have a mention - definitely a bumper issue fingers crossed!

Talking of palominos, this was the yearling colt at the SPSS Premium In Hand show and from his dam's side he gets a fraction over 15% arab blood. He's actually German bred and is a potential FEI Dressage pony and I'm hoping his owner will register him PBA.

Bathleyhills Monet (Casino Royale K/Mona)
BEF Elite Premium 2010 & SPSS Champion In Hand

There is a lovely photo of him without his plaits when he went Champion at the Palomino Show but I didn't take that one so will ask his owner's permission to post it.

Edited by - Hazel Cornes on 20 Nov 2010 5:43:17 PM

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alison
Platinum Member

Wales
1810 Posts

Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 7:36:07 PM

what a stunning foal he has it all ....... colour - looks - beautiful head and overall exquisite body shape. His character also seems to shine through sensible and courageous he is surely a super star in the making.
ali

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basbob
Gold Member

France
1356 Posts

Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 9:34:29 PM

Kate - you are a clever lady. Tobago has absolutely proved himself to be a damn good sire accepted by the warmblood/thoroughbred breeders. He's a beautiful, talented horse and is finding recognition .
Ronaldo also had a lot of interest when he was represented by Hobgoblins. Sporthorse owners are starting to like an arab influence.

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
1612 Posts

Posted - 23 Nov 2010 : 2:55:57 PM

Originally posted by Hazel Cornes

Thanks Kate I look forward to seeing your article. The Editor also said the SPSS would have a mention - definitely a bumper issue fingers crossed!

Talking of palominos, this was the yearling colt at the SPSS Premium In Hand show and from his dam's side he gets a fraction over 15% arab blood. He's actually German bred and is a potential FEI Dressage pony and I'm hoping his owner will register him PBA.

Bathleyhills Monet (Casino Royale K/Mona)
BEF Elite Premium 2010 & SPSS Champion In Hand

There is a lovely photo of him without his plaits when he went Champion at the Palomino Show but I didn't take that one so will ask his owner's permission to post it.

Very nice! I do hope you can persuade his owner to register him PBA - the Arab 'contribution' so often gets overlooked... Almost all of the Selle Francais horses that are doing so brilliantly in international sj and eventing have lots of Anglo Arab blood, but this is rarely mentioned and they are never described as 'Part-bred Arab', although this is in fact exactly what they are!

The forthcoming article about Tobago and Witches Broom in Horse Deals isn't 'mine' - the editor is writing it herself....so I'm looking forward to seeing it too! I would have thought that SPSS should get more than just a mention - I hope so, anyway!

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katefox1812
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 : 2:58:38 PM

Originally posted by alison

what a stunning foal he has it all ....... colour - looks - beautiful head and overall exquisite body shape. His character also seems to shine through sensible and courageous he is surely a super star in the making.
ali

Well, I didn't breed him, so can't take any credit - but thank you very much! He has a lovely owner, so I'm sure he will have a bright future!

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katefox1812
Platinum Member

United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Nov 2010 : 3:05:14 PM

Originally posted by basbob

Kate - you are a clever lady. Tobago has absolutely proved himself to be a damn good sire accepted by the warmblood/thoroughbred breeders. He's a beautiful, talented horse and is finding recognition .
Ronaldo also had a lot of interest when he was represented by Hobgoblins. Sporthorse owners are starting to like an arab influence.

Thank you! But Tobago's the clever one, not me - as I said before, I can't really take credit for just saying "yes, please!" when expert breeders ask to use him...

I am a huge fan of Ronaldo - he is a truly splendid horse!

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Hazel Cornes
Silver Member

United Kingdom
288 Posts

Posted - 23 Nov 2010 : 11:06:16 PM

Bathleyhills Monet PBA without plaits!

photos by Bathleyhills

Hopefully Penny Walster (the owner) will go down the PBA route and I certainly will keep pushing. The Zfdp (hope the letters are the correct way round) were very impressed at the grading and have asked to see him again next year re a licence.

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