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BabsR
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 Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 12:56:37 PM
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Is this how the National Equine Press now see our Show as??
How much longer before all this nonsense is stamped out and our Showcase Show does no longer invite this sort of comment, to the detriment of the Society and our beautiful Arabian Breed??
Thank goodness as a Breeder of Anglos, we are not included in this "unfortunately true" assessment of the In-Hand Arabian Showing at our National Show
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
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Kazzy
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:05:04 PM
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Whats been said? I havent bought a copy, should I go out and buy a copy?
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:11:31 PM
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| Babs, I don't show my mare in hand but I have been to a few of the larger show and can honestly say I would not put my mare through that. The noise and banging to wind up the horses made me cringe. I know it is seen as the done thing but if the rest of the horseworld see it as wrong it does make you wonder. If the general public see arabs as hyper, stressed out horses how many of these would choose an arab as a safe riding horse? |
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BabsR
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:34:53 PM
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Methinks that every A/Liner should buy a copy of H & H and read this article, !!....and question why Rules cannot be adhered to at our National Show. Never been, but believe Towerlands is the same
from what I have been told.
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
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weirton
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:38:48 PM
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Babs
Only because according to the report there were no AA/PBs at the show.
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nikki83
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:45:17 PM
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Is it the H&H that came out today? I shall pop out later and buy.
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Pasha
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England
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:46:58 PM
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| I was soo excited to see a two-page spread in the H&H on our National Show and it was such a shame that most of the second page was taken up with this talking point!!! I'm off ill so have time on my hand and will try and type it out if I have the energy... |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 1:48:58 PM
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I will go out and buy a copy. I think there is mischeif afoot myself. I was there for the full 3 days and yes, there were people waving whips around and woop wooping but not to the excess people on here are talking about!! It wasnt every class and when particular handlers said NO they stopped, like I said it wasnt excessive.
Yes, it is in the rules that outside interfence should not be allowed and yes it does go on, but you go to any other breed show and its excactly the same, the Welsh are particular to a good old bang about when their horses enter the ring!!! Are they being victimised, they only have to look around half the hunt yards around here to see cruelty!! I know for a fact that one hunt yard takes the
*Blue pipe* to their horses so that people cant see they have beaten the crap out of them
Anyway, I will go and buy a copy and have a read.
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NatH
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:00:38 PM
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Very interesting! I must get a copy Babs, thanks for letting us know.
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Pasha
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:13:25 PM
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Quoted from Horse & Hound 12 August 2010, page 73
"TALKING POINT
IT seems the burgeoning trend for showing in-hand Arabs the "European" way has both equine welfare as well as health and safety implications.
Many new spectators were appalled to see horses-and particularly youngsters - being goaded, baited and threatened in order to achieve and over-the-top performance. The idea seems to be that in-hand contenders must be hyped up beyond all reason, so that they "explode" into the ring like whirling dervishes.
In order to achieve this, they have all manner of objects swished, rattled and shaken at them before they enter the ring to the accompaniment of loud whoops from their connections. The crowd then adds to the cacophony as the horses come past - all this in direct contravention of the show rules, which seem to be ignored.
Excessive "shanking" - continual jerking on the chin chain so the horse raises it's head even higher - and the forced, unnatural stance with the nose horizontal to the ground, the so-called "frozen pose", are other highly unattractive features.
The fact that both the Arab Horse Society (AHS) and its European governing body deem it necessary to include specific rules prohibiting "excessive whipping, the use of electric-shock devices or infliction of pain by any means" surely is deeply worrying in itself and implies that the end results are far from naturally achieved?
"Excessive circling" is also singled out for prohibition under European rules, as is "excessive stimulation by noise or intimidation", so why is it still allowed to occur?
Disastrous Consequences?
THE whole situation here was an accident waiting to happen. Some young stallions, particularly, were roaring and fully-drawn; if one had got loose, the consequences could have been disastrous.
A show official commented: "A lot of people don't like the way it's going, but if exhibitors want to show in Europe, then this is the way the horses have to be trained to appear. We have toned it down."
Another breeder said:"It is a testament to the nobility of the breed that they put up with this kind of treatment, but it is not surprising that so very few in-hand horses ever appear under saddle."
As H&H columnist Stuart Hollings wrote (showing comment 15 July), British rules clearly forbid exhibits from being "excessively stirred up". Attempts to influence the behaviour of exhibits in the ring are also barred. But these rules were blatantly flouted, with few efforts being made by stewards to enforce them.
One spectator commented: "The horses are heart-stoppingly beautiful. But what's with the handlers winding them up, the crowd shouting, screaming, whistling, banging the side of the arena and waving things around in the collecting ring? Many of the horses were doing a fantastic trot and then the crowd would start and the horse would break into canter, shoot off and be hauled back again - not pretty, not necessary and not doing anything to show off the horse's action".
Another said: "Is it any wonder that our lovely Arabians have the horseworld thinking they are 'mad and scatty'? All thanks to the in-hand show world".
It all seems to be unnecessary, too, as the veteran champion, Maiad, was also shown "classically" and won the Crabbet section without any fuss."
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BabsR
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:14:14 PM
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The H & H article does not relate to the Welsh Breeds, or what the Hunter fraternity do.......it is about Arabian Exhibitors and their obvious blatant flouting of the AHS Showing Rules!! Not all are guilty but those that are, are knowingly bringing the AHS and Arabian Horse into disrepute, and seem to care not!!
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Pasha
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:16:30 PM
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| BUT you should still go and buy a copy as there is a beautiful picture of Maiad, a peice on Fairwinds Jedi and Lorna Erwin on their first HOYS ticket and a bit on the WAHO award, so well worth a read.... would have loved to see more on the dressage and showjumping classes!!! |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:20:23 PM
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Well if they are having a *GO* at our Arabs then I think they should have a *GO* at other people in the horse world aswell!!!!!!!!
What the *reporter* has reported sounds like every horse that entered the ring was shanked, shaked and banged about which isnt true at all.
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angelarab
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SueB
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:48:04 PM
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Would someone explain to me why Horse and Hound just love to criticize the Arabian breed?
Can they not go anywhere else to get some kicks and try and sell more copies of their failing magazine.
Now half the country is off to buy a copy, just putting more coins in the bank for such a one sided view of our National Show. |
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Zenitha
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:52:24 PM
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It does seem that there has been some exagerating here ! Yes one of the stallions was drawn, but at no point was there any roaring, unless I have gone deaf !!
Goading - I did not see any goading.
Shanking - saw very little of that too.
Frozen pose - none that I would call a frozen pose (compared to the US anyway )Nor, thankfully, did I see any horses in fear of their handlers.
In many ways, our showing methods are far kinder than the rest of the world, and it is a joy to watch handlers such as Rod Jones and Emma Maxwell, showing their horses to perfection 
Unfortunately the rest is true. I was asked to comment about what happened in the collecting ring with my colt, but declined. H & H obviously found plenty of other people who were prepared to comment.
This kind of publicity obviously does not enhance the popularity of the Arabian with the rest of the horse world. But before people are damned for speaking out and complaining about the tree whipping, hollering and banging etc, just think about WHY the rest of the equine world finds this behaviour abhorrent (sp) ?
Is it fair to curse the people (myself included) who wish to see an end to this behaviour ? Is it right to insist people 'keep quiet about it' so others don't know it goes on ? Or is it better to address the problem areas, enforce the rules - creating a better deal for the horses, and restoring the previous good opinion of our beloved Arabian to the rest of equine world ?
If it didn't happen in the first place, there would be nothing to complain about, and the likes of H & H wouldn't be writing articles like this. Surely its just a matter of ENFORCING rules that are already in place ? |
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vjc
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 2:57:41 PM
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Thankyou Pasha for posting the article, bet your fingers are tired now 
On a more serious note I just think it is so sad that yet again the actions of some the spectators and handlers that adhere to this ridiculous and quite frankley cringeingly embarrassing behaviour have yet again caused bad press for what are naturally beautiful and noble creatures!!! There are lots of folk that use the national show to view arabs in the flesh before actually owning one, enough said!!!
Be proud of your arabian, they are the most beautiful breed in the world and that is something we all should admire and respect!!!
As for the welsh showing yes there is a small contingent that shouts and waves caps although i have never ever seen plastic tesco bags on whips banded about and the welsh followers concentrate on showing their horses paces, not spinning them round and causing their heads to be thrown into the air!!! But how does this make it right!!! we are doing it because they do it???? WWWHHHHAAATTT!!!!! |
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amy_southworth
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Dot
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 3:11:41 PM
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probably because there is sufficient room for criticism I would have thought. come on guys if us within the Arab world don't like it then no wonder the outside world is starting to comment.
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vjc
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 3:26:11 PM
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Perhaps it is because we all love the breed and hate to see it portrayed in such a bad light!!! It is only a matter of time before the national press get hold of this showing practice then the arabian horse and society really will suffer and get a bad name!!!
Come on AHS clean up your back yard!!!! |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 3:28:03 PM
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Sadly I wasnt there this year, but I cant say I have seen much in the way of bad behaviour in the ring at Malvern before!
I was talking to my Farrier this morning and he told me he drives trotting horses at racing venues. "OH" I said and asked something I had always wanted to ask, how do they get them to trot without breaking? you wouldnt be happy to know some of the methods. there is known abuse in nearly all equine interests where people compete against each other AND sadly there is and always will be abuse of our fellow creatures, while we still insist on treating them as inferior to ourselves. its not going to change until WE CHANGE ! not in our lifetimes I fear |
   
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Tzarina
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 3:53:39 PM
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Tzarinaarabians@yahoo.com
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"The daughter who wont lift a finger in the house is the same child who cycles madly off in the pouring rain to spend all morning mucking out a stable."
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Kazzy
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 4:03:39 PM
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I think this so called reporter should come out and tell *The Truth* and not tell down right lies about goading, baiting and threatening of the horses. Sounds like we chucked them all to the lions den and left them to it.
Disgusting reporting in my opinion, do these reporters know what the truth is these days?????
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zelus
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 4:17:23 PM
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| The name of the reporter is TRICIA JOHNSON..... does anyone know this person? |
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NatH
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 4:19:22 PM
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I've quickly read the article as Pasha has taken the trouble to type it up. I only went to the show on Saturday and didn't sit glued to the ringside as I had allot of catching up to do with friends. During the time I was spectating I did see goading, shanking and the frozen pose. Not by all handlers obviously but it was present at our Show.
So surely the article isn't 'having a go at the Arabian breed' just merely having a go at US the owners, breeders, handlers of these magnificent creatures. |
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k brown
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 4:19:46 PM
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| Could it be that the reporter had preconceived ideas about the show and was there to provide a sensationalist story on the back of other negative press from last year? Judging by her attitude at the show? |
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