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dinkidoo
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 Posted - 17 May 2010 : 10:39:39 AM
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Why do i seem to attract the nutters of the horse world
Our last lot of liveries left a week ago as they wanted to turn out their horses for a week whilst they went on holiday(although it would have been longer as apparently they are stuck abroad because of the volcano ash!) I agreed although wasn't v happy as the grass isn't through properly yet and we have to use the field 12months of the year and have my own 4 to think about. I said that we would put haylage out to them everynight and asked them to fill all the water tubs up so that we would only have to keep them topped up - hardly unreasonable considering im 7 months pregnant.
Next day they just left, disappeared into thin air!! We were inconsiderate of their wishes as horse owners apparently as they didn't want to give them haylage at night as they felt the grass was sufficient (which it definately isn't, we hardly have any) Anyway was quite relieved to be honest, they spent more time in the brew room than with their horses and just texted me at all times of the day with their requests of whether horses were to be in/out, hayed etc.. even though we only offer diy livery!
So readvertised for new people and had a young lady ring up who freely admitted she was a novice and this would be her first horse, she came and looked and said she loved it and could she secure her stable so that it was ready for when she found the right horse. Fine, sensible thing to do so happy with that. Later that night she rang to say she had bought a horse it was an ex racehorse, that it was in a mess and she felt so sorry for it she just had to save it. Fair enough i said its going to be a steep learning curve for you but we'll help with advice etc..
It arrived yesterday and oh my goodness ive only ever seen horses like this in photos of cruelty cases. I was really horrified and found it quite upsetting to be honest. It looks like its broken its leg and then been left to reset its soo bent at the knee with a huge lump on it. She is skin and bone, had urine burns and muck stuck all over her back legs and her feet are a mess.
The young lady seems to think with a bit of tlc she will be fine, i personally think the vet will want to pts. I wormed it for her, washed it (the lady was terrified of her) lent her a rug and then spent the afternoon going through the type of food she should be introducing it to, vets visit, farrier, dentist and then general stable duties etc.. I spent hours there and when i left she was armed with a list of suitable feed/equipment that she would need.
I recommended happy hoof, calm and condition, fibre nuts (her teeth are v bad and wanted to make sure she was getting enough down as she was struggling with her hay) sugar beet and pink powders. Didn't want anything high in protein/sugar as this horse could seriously go off its feet at a sniff of anything too rich as its been starved for so long. Said that if she wanted to wait for the vet and then speak to a nutritionalist first and use some of my stuff before paying out on lots of feed that would be fine.
Came home and spent a sleepless night worrying about this poor horse, if i had seen it i would have reported it asap but as she has now removed it from where it has come from and didn't actually know where it was stabled as they met her with it in a trailer i don't think there is much they can do.
Arranged to meet her at the yard at 7.30am this morn, did all mine turned out etc... and at 8.15am was still waiting for her. Had to get Isobel to nursery for 9am so couldn't wait around. Rang her to check there wasn't a problem and explained that she was now getting stressed as mine had all gone out and she had nothing to eat etc.. She said she would be along soon and that she would manage fine, i asked her if she had got any food and she said yes some mollichop and a mix, when i looked its just a cheapy mix and a completely mollasses coverered chop. Did this woman listen to nothing we had said???????? This horse is going to end up worse than it started.
She then said she was going to turn her out today, i nearly exploded but contained myself and explained that she wasn't to go anywhere near the field to turn out with my horses unless i was there in case of any accidents, also that the horse needed urgent veterinary attention and a farrier at the very least. Plus i only wormed her last night so would like her stabled for 24hours first. Advised she could turn out in the playpen whilst she mucked out and then perhaps to take her for a walk for a graze in hand. Bear in mind it was by now 8.20am and this woman is due in work for 9am!!!!!!
What the hell is going to happen to this poor horse???? I do not need stress like this but im damned if i get involved and damned (by my conscience) if i don't. The lady that owns the farm where my yard is said take the money and don't look, but i just can't. It broke my heart this morning just listening to her whicker whilst i was feeding mine, my children were trying to mix her a feed as they felt so sorry for her . Is this woman just going to make things worse and prolong this mares pain? My farrier is coming tomorrow, she has agreed that he can do the mare too but i really wanted the vet there today. I suppose that if she doesn't listen to me and is doing more harm than good i will have to get the relevant people involved, otherwise i will be having a nervous breakdown. She's on my yard and because of this i feel so responsible for her.
What should i do? 
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 10:45:13 AM
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| You need to relax because you are 7 months pregnant. Horse needs to stay in with an enormous haynet and a vets appointment, can't say anything else because I must go out. |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 10:58:52 AM
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Oh dear me, what a parlava!!
You are doing everything you can to help and she obviously hasnt taken any advice and gone down the *cheap* route.
The only thing I can suggest is to give her her notice but then you wont know what has happened to this poor poor horse!!
I dont know what to suggest otehrwise because you clearly wont be in a postition to help out much longer with your pregnancy and I know this sounds horrible, but why should you, you are only providing DIY livery and not part/full l ivery service.
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Smiler
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 11:02:31 AM
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I would tell her horse HAS to be seen by the vet straight away you need to keep calm as goldenmane has said i know its easier said than done but keeep cool can you get her to mix a feed the night before so that you can feed when you feed your own ? maybe also get her to fill an extra haynet the night before so you can put it in if she dont arrive on time i know shes only diy but if it keep you from stressing to much then would be better for you
as to the leg you think may have been broken is the horse lame does it walk akward or anything on it can you get a pic ? i would also ask her why she bought cheep food instead of what you advised just a thought also maybe tell her you charge extra for putting food and nets in in the morning and will be added to her bill etc but vet really needs to see this horse asap as if the welfare people get involded then at least she is covered due to having the vet having teeth and feet done too good luck |
   
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Kelly
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 11:09:37 AM
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My goodness, I feel so sorry for you, and for the mare. I'd be exactly the same as you, and it would make me sick with worry too.
But you need to stay as healthy and stress free as possible for the sake of your baby - keep telling yourself that, and it may help you be a little more selfish (except it's not selfish because it's for your baby).
Then, I would speak to the owner, and tell her that if she does not make an appointment with the vet for the next couple of days, then you will do it for her. Tell her that you understand that she thinks the horse just needs some TLC, and that you know she will give it to her, and it will make a huge difference, but that the mare is SO poor that she may have underlying health issues, and that she needs checking out. Play the 'might get passed on to my horses' card.
And try to explain the food issue again - it sounds like she just doesn't understand the importance, and it hasn't gone in on first go. She probably went to the feed merchants with good intentions to follow your advice, but then the feed merchant sent her in the other direction. I've never met a feed merchant yet who gave actual good advice.....
I agree about preparing food the night before, and a haynet. Of the three of us, one owns the stables, one pays the first lady for DIY livery, and I use a stable free in return for the other two using my grazing. But NONE of us would ever feed one or two horses and leave the other(s). We either leave the feed ready or mix it up when we do our own, if the owner isn't around. Likewise, it doesn't take much to throw a load of hay over. Whoever is there first turns out or brings in.
Perhaps, if it's not extra trouble for you, you could add these things to her contract, with a little extra payment on top? The mare will get far too stressed if her routine isn't the same as the rest.
Keep us posted, if only to vent.
You really do need to put yourself and your baby first, but I understand completely why you can't help getting stressed. |
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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 11:34:57 AM
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Oh no Carol, theres always something! If you need a chat give me a ring (I'm at work but I'll find a corner to hide in!)
You could always ring HAPPA, just for advise more than anything. Speak to Julie Jackson, shes the manager & a lovely lady.
Get a list written down of all the things you consider this horse to need..vet attention etc Arrange to meet the owner back at your yard asap with either your mum, or I could come over if its early evening.
Either way you need to get your concerns across & get her to agree to some action.
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BabsR
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 12:26:07 PM
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Agree entirely the distress and real concern for this poor horse and trust you can sort this Woman out and make her understand her responsibility for the welfare of her horse.
As she is there on the basis of DIY I also understand the terms mean just that.....however, my real concern would be to ensure the horse always has sufficient good quality hay ad lib and no way could I feed other horses on the yard....and leave this horse without food further stressing her, already being in very poor condition.
Make sure her owner not only fills a large haynet but also makes a feed up and left for someone to give in the morning.....and charge her. If she neglects this horse and will not call in the vet as suggested then warn her you will have no alternative but to arrange a vet to visit.
As a livery yard Owner, you have a duty of care, to ensure all horses are properly looked after. Hope you can get this issue sorted
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 12:52:51 PM
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Oh god I wish sometimes I didnt read these distressing stories , I feel so sorry for the mare now and in the hands of a total beginner is not going to help her, especially as the girl hasnt listened to you. you need to get some ground rules put down in writing, for a start off she must be there to feed her horse at the same time as the others , it is just not fair for a staving horse to watch while other get fed ! ( or pay you to do it) as its not your responsibility , tell her unless she is going to look after this horse there is no point in you having her there as you have enough to cope with with your own , and being pregnant to boot ! |
   
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moatside
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 1:15:43 PM
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Poor mare!!
Hopefully the young lady will arrange the farrier & vet ASAP and leave feed and hay ready in case she is delayed - if she has only just aquired her then she may be a bit confused/out on a limb??
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angel2002
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 2:02:27 PM
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My first question is....... HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE HER BECOME HORSE OWNERS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!! 
The people who sell to the likes of her (don't even know what/how to feed a horse!!) should be bloody well shot!!! The next thing you know she will want to breed thinking she can learn all about it as she goes along from a sodding book!! My god it makes me so angry, I know we all have to start somewhere but nobody should have a horse before they know the basics of caring for one
Best advice I can give you is get her off your yard ASAP, I think you are heading for trouble if you keep her horse there and she doesn't get the mare the treatment she so obviously needs.... She has already proven to be un-reliable by not turning up on time and completely incompetant by not getting a vet out. I know it sounds hard but unless you can afford the time and money to keep another horse (this is what could happen if she stops coming up to feed/muck out etc) she needs to go.
While she is still there, tell her that as she isn't at the yard on time she is to leave a feed for the morning with a full haynet and that you are charging her 50p a time to feed the mare. You can't feed yours without hers, it isn't the mares fault and by the same respect it isn't your fault that the new owner is late and isn't that bothered.
If the mare is as thin as you say she should be having at least 4 small feeds a day and ad-lib hay, thats assuming there are no underlying health problems and that she has just been starved. Some wormers state that the horse is kept in for 3 days after worming so check the info for the wormer you used
Do you have the full name and address for the owner? I am sure that you can legally get a vet out if you are concerned about her mare and the bill is then sent direct to her to pay for it..... Maybe someone could clarify that, like the ILPH/HAPPA?
So sorry that you have all this trouble, you don't need it being 7 months pregnant so give her notice to leave, advertise for experience owners only and go back to being stress free, you never know you might get someone who will be happy to help you with yours Let us know how you get on and good luck.
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Kazzy
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 2:12:19 PM
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Also tell her that has its new owner she has *duty of care* aswell and she could be in trouble if the horse needs vetinary treatment and she doesnt provide it.
Poor you ,wouldnt like to be in your shoes.
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littlearabians
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 2:13:10 PM
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terrible saturation you are in.
I agree with the others, you must have some VERY clear rules when you offer livery, most people want the best for their horses, but I have learned with time, that the ways of DIY is very different from person to person, and I have found myself in your shoes (however never pregnant ) a fair few times...
I have never been able to offer complete DIY, as I just wont accept some gets feed while others has to stand watching, waiting for their own feed to arrive.
regarding vet treatment... I'm new in England so don't know the rules here... but unless you have a written contract (in Denmark) saying you may call the vet out at owners expense, the bill will be yours to pay... hardly something you would want? |
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dinkidoo
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 2:33:06 PM
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Thanks for everyones advice, i have just got back from a quick visit back to the yard to check on the mare. She has been down and fed her and given her hay (with a trailing net after i showed her how to hang them ). Not sure what else she has done though as hard to tell.
It killed me to not feed her this morning and i don't have a problem with putting feed/hay in to her in the morning - i prefer to do this anyway. I said to her yesterday that if she wanted to leave everything ready i would put it in for her but as she said she would be there at same time as me she wanted to do it herself. I don't want to completely interfere with everything in case she just needs a bit of time to get into a routine, I find it so hard though to just 'let go' when i know that if it was me it would all be happening asap. She is off on thursday so im hoping the vet will be coming then, really need to go back to talk to her tonight but she will probably not be down until 6 ish and i cannot go back for a 4th time today just to talk to her, ive got the kids to feed/bathe and get in bed for 7pm!
My mum is going to be there from about 4.30pm so will hopefully have the chance to speak to her and i will see in the morning what is going to happen.
Will keep you updated as to what is happening, will also ring HAPPA later and see what they can advise, they could always come for a look she needn't know it was me that rang them! Plenty of interfering people on the yard that could have done it |
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 2:53:10 PM
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| I do think she may have the best intentions she did feel sorry for her and thought she was doing right saving her , she has said she is a novice so all this is probably quite a bit to take in i think she just needs a bit more guidance but a bit stronger worded maybe this time hopefully your mum will get her to see sense and get a vet to visit i would also ask why she choose the feed she bought rather than taking your advice as someone has already said feed merchants will try to get you to buy other feeds when you visit i have had this many a time but i stick to what i know and like and wont be fobbed of with what they think i should have let usknow how things go would be interested where she aw the horse advertised etc |
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 3:12:20 PM
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What a shame for the poor horse, It does sound like she just wanted to help the poor thing but sounds like she knows nothing. I would insist on a vet and say she has to be fed at the same time as your own, I have had this with liveries in the past that wont leave breakfast out I then charge them for making it, they then realise to start leaving it out. I hope you can get it sorted out try not worry to much, you don't really need this being 7 months pregnant. Ringing HAPPA sounds a good idea good luck.
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Quarabian
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 4:06:31 PM
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Sorry to be sceptical. It was a coincidence that she found 'the right horse' the same evening that she came to view your stable.
I feel very sorry for you in the situation you now find yourself in. I think you need to be very firm with her. Lay out the ground rules of your yard and what consequences will happen if she does not comply. Definately get money in advance because this horse might do a moonlight flit leaving you out of pocket. A signed contract might be a good idea. |
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Pop
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 4:39:07 PM
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Sorry but  , shooting people who sell a horse in that condition to people like that is probably the only hope the horse has. Its quite possible that people who knew what they were doing would never have bought the horse so it would have ended up a sad and undignified death.
I'm sure it's a real pain but I think I would sit her down, explain everything in a kind way but with urgency and recommend her to a yard where they had time to help and educate her, if only for the sake of the horse. I'm sure there are people who would rush to help if we were looking at this horse for sale on the internet.
Where is the yard, perhaps someone local can help. I would be happy to if she is nearby. |
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dinkidoo
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 5:03:43 PM
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See the thing is im more than happy to help, spending 4 hours with her yesterday teaching her the basics (didn't want to overload her too much) I helped her bed down, showed her how much haylage she would need and how to hang the nets, about keeping her water full and clean. Then spent well over 30 mins explaining about the food she would need and then wrote her a list of things to get!!
Today i would have hayed/fed etc..if she had not clearly stated she would do it and be there at the same time. I had to really stop myself just doing it anyway as tried to put myself in her position of being undermined before she'd had the chance to do it herself. However the no show at 7.30 and the fact that she went and ignored everything i have said about feeding her got me raging, hence my post this morning!
I can only explain things so many times if she is going to completely ignore my advice what can i do? I just think that she is just the kind of person to ask for all kinds of help and then ignore it all.
I have had 2 rescues of my own before, 1 old boy we kept for over 10 years until he was 35 and the little pony that we still have that had a really bad start so we're not short of knowledge or experience. Our horses speak for theirselves, they are all in stunning condition and want for nothing something she made a point of saying yesterday when she was thanking me for my help and advice!
Even though im pregnant i will still be doing the horses everyday until i have my baby, apart from mum and Claire (honeyb) i don't trust anyone else with them so time isn't an issue as long as she listens.
Fingers crossed Mum gets through to her tonight! She definately played down how novice she was, saying she could ride and had had a horse on loan before but this was the first one she would own. I gave her the benefit of the doubt as i know we all have to start somewhere, just never expected this! |
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Pop
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 5:23:40 PM
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Yes Dinkidoo, and apart from having a baby, you are running a business; and its really outragous that she should cause you this concern; and if you start doing things for her, she will most probably take advantage of you forever, which is not fair.
Maybe you have been too kind. How about, in a kind but assertive voice - It is my responsibility to ensure that all the horses at this yard are properly cared for. I am oblidged by law to report any animal who is not receiving proper care. I will help you and advise you, or you can pay someone to come in and teach you how to care for your horse, which does need special care. But I must insist that you provide professional care and bring in a vet to examine and advise on how to get this horse into some reasonable state of heath. If you do care for him, then this is what you must do, if you don't and ignore advise, then I will need to ask the ILPH to come and give you guidance.
And if she doesnt do as you ask, call the ILPH, they will make her listen or take him away. Its good that she has bought him, I don't think any one would have normally, unattened broken leg, hat rack, he sounds like a big vet bill and so few are able to take on this type of horse, because they know the cost, financially and emotionally. Anyone who would sell him in that state does not sound like the sort of person who will take good care of him, build him up and give him a happy life. So he does have a chance now :)
Its not your job and it unfair on you, not least the worry and stress !!! |
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 9:07:54 PM
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I would inform her with the best of intentions she needs to get a vet out without any further delay as she is possibly leaving herself open to prosecution on a cruelty basis by with holding veterinary treatment when it may be needed.
Sometimes people just need the crap scaring out of them to make them jump into action
Best of luck , and if it hasnt seen a vet by the end of the week ask her to leave, its your reputation on the line as well as the poor horses well being
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 10:51:29 PM
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| I saw her tonight and she was very late! I was considering whether to do her haynet when she turned up. How lovely she looked too! dolly shoes and a dress that showed her cleavage off to a tee! To be fair she had had car trouble today and that was why she had been late , so she said. I told her about the blacksmith and she was worried about how much it was ging to cost. The mare has two very different front feet. One is very flat and long and the other has a masive sandcrack. I told her that initially our blacksmith would just trim and advise. I also told her that she must get the vet as he may be in favour of PTS and it was pointless spending loads of money if this was the case. She said she would contact one tomorrow. I insisted that she retide her haynet and advised her not to make her feed like soup. I broached the sunject of being down early to feed with ours or leaving feed we could put in for her but she insisted she wanted to feed herself. Ah well i tried but she did leave a feed in the tack room and then added her boyfriend would come tomorrow to feed her!!!! The horse is looking much better today and has stopped poking its tongue out which it did all the time yesterday. It looks happy enough and even broke into a shakey canter in the sand paddock when she turned it free for a few minutes. |
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angel2002
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 11:01:58 AM
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Pop, I stand by what I said - The people who sell to the likes of this girl who doesn't even know what/how to feed a horse should be bloody well shot!!!
These sellers/breeders also sell perfectly health horses/ponies to complete novice's who don't know one end of a horse from the other just to make a quick profit. Because these 'new' owners haven't a bloody clue what they are doing the horse/pony often ends up as a rescue case anyway! Seen it happen too many times before I'm afraid...
An example, how many people on here have read some of the topics and thought to themself 'how the hell did you manage to get someone to sell you a horse???' I know I have, and a bit too often lately!!
I have a feeling this story isn't going to end well.... She has had the horse 3 days now and NOT called a VET!! That to me says it all!
As for saying she has had a horse on loan before....I would say that she isn'r being 100% truthful, unless it was a pony in a field that she never touched! Surely if she had a horse before she whould know how to tie a haynet and how to mix a feed  Would love to see her tack up and ride!
There is no way on earth this girl is capable of looking after a healthy horse let alone a rescued ex-racehorse who has un-diagnosed problems.
I know some will say that everyone needs to learn and I agree but buying a horse with a 'How to look after Horses' manual is not the right way to go about it.
Personally I would give her notice to leave ASAP as she has ignored your advice on the best way to care for the horse and also before I became too attached to the mare.
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geegee
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 11:33:30 AM
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Do you have a contract in place?
Have you had money upfront from this person?
If it were me, I would be serving them notice. They are causing you problems AND they have only just arrived
1. you don't need it
2. you don't want it
3. Is it worth it?
I say serve notice and get WHW involved now. The horse hasn't seen a vet and any caring person, ESPECIALLY having just taken on a horse of this condition, would be getting a vet out immediately!
From what you are saying, things aren't adding up here.....I would be very concerned.
Hope you get it sorted, for your sakes and the poor horse
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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 11:58:23 AM
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Hi Carol Anything new to report today, did you manage to talk to Julie at HAPPA? I think she will give you some good advise. Tough situ to be in, I know exactly what you're thinking re giving her notice...what will happen to the poor mare? I'd be inclined to think the same Maybe if offering help & advise doesn't seem to be working, suggest that other people on the yard will not be as forgiving as you...and would report her to the authorities if she doesn't act in the mares best interests immediately.
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Pop
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 12:34:41 PM
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:))))
These sellers/breeders also sell perfectly health horses/ponies to complete novice's who don't know one end of a horse from the other just to make a quick profit. Because these 'new' owners haven't a bloody clue what they are doing the horse/pony often ends up as a rescue case anyway! Seen it happen too many times before I'm afraid...
That’s a different issue, and I would agree, it’s unfortunate that some good horses are ruined in the wrong hands.
But, it’s a funny you would have the person shot who sold this horse, when I would probably have him/her shot if she/he didn't sell it. Assuming the seller has experience with horses, and assuming willful neglect is worse (but irrelevant from the horses point of view) than ignorance; and that its easier to learn how to care for a horse than completely change personality from a cruel person to a caring person; then I would be holding the gun for him to sell it and at least give it a chance. Again, assuming the seller has experience with horses; it certainly seems she would be even worse with the seller, given the description of her condition.
If this totally inexperience girl had not come along; rather than the mare looking happy enough and having a canter, if shaky, would she be better off with the seller, or would we expect the seller to find an experienced home for this mare or would she be enjoying a ride down the isles of Tesco in a Winalot tin? (Rhetorical)
I honestly think this mare is better off away from the seller.
It would be a boring world if we all thought the same about things eh?
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