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Marafia1
Silver Member
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 Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 11:35:19 PM
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Hi All
I am looking for some words of wisdom from groups around the uk.
The Arab Horse Society has requested that by the end of this year all regional groups must no longer be affilliated to the AHS and AHS must be removed from group names. (shows will still be affilliated)
The Scottish group at present is looking at alternatives, either limited Company status or riding club. And we are also due to ballot members regards our name change in the next few weeks
What advice would you give?
What is the best option and why?
What experiences have you found in changing if you have done so already?
kind regards
Stuart Finlay
Chairman SRGAHS
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Scarlet Arabian
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 09:17:53 AM
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Would be worth talking to South East Group as they moved away from the AHS a few years ago now.
They are registered with Companies House.
Emails and contact numbers for the committee are on the web site.
www.seahg.co.uk |
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BabsR
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England
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CINDERS
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 10:01:09 AM
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HoCoN have essentially decided to be a "club" as our membership does not warrant the extra expense involved in becoming a company limited by guarantee
We were very disappointed by the AHS decision to effectively cut off the regional groups but were given no choice
Yvonne |
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LYNDILOU
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Roseanne
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 10:39:55 AM
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| Didn't this come up before, about three years ago? My brain tells me it was to do with insurance/liability, though I could be totally wrong. Some groups did sort of 'separate' from the AHS then in terms of becoming independently run and financed and I thought it was all in the past. |
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CINDERS
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England
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 12:28:47 PM
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It is to do with their being sued if a group does anything untoward. Sadly it will, I fear send some groups and shows to the wall as the additional expenses involved are not inconsiderable.
Yvonne |
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CatQueen
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 1:14:19 PM
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that's just another nail in the coffin for the ahs .if they dont want the groups anymore why can the shows still be affilliated ? does'nt make much sense to me .the ahs are wanting all their own way . dont they get enough money from us members already . |
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susan p
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Scotland
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 2:16:36 PM
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Have the AHS contacted all the groups,or just the Scottish group?
I don't really understand it |
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CINDERS
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England
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 2:55:01 PM
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All of the groups got a letter and then there was a groups meeting at Malvern
Show will still be affiliated - not sure about the comment about them getting enough money out of us - how is this going to cost the members more?
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jennie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 9:06:54 PM
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I belong to two local riding clubs affiliated to the British Riding Club Ass, what is different?
Having been a member of the AHS for over 35 years perhaps my grey cells are failing me but I have always thought the regional groups were the "face" of the otherwise faceless AHS. The groups support, encourage and inspire ordinary grass roots arab horse lovers - unlike it seems to me the AHS - which conspires,discourages and remains totally out of touch with reality. Just how do the AHS propose to promote the breed and reverse the falling numbers of members? Perhaps there is a master plan after all? |
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alistair leslie
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 09:03:08 AM
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I wonder what is happening to this country.
Elfin safety strikes again!
So I join a society and become a member of a regional group of same then the society gets scared (after 100 years) that a regional member will cause the society to be sued by their actions .
Tosh!
Perhaps the membership fees should be repatriated to the members in the regions .
central control is not the interface with the public -locals are- so reduced central fees would allow the regions to have a flow of funds at the frontline.
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Tracey@ET
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England
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 1:06:57 PM
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Can someone tell me if the AHS is not responsible for our regional groups anymore ......... then is it mainly a society for registrations (change of ownership blood typing and DNA and microchip, export and import) and of course the National Show.
This thread has made me realise i don't know enough about the AHS what it does and cost of running it, Windsor House, staff etc. I think its important we should all be aware why these changes have been made and what the future holds for our society. How does one go about doing this is it made available to the ordinary member??
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 1:55:05 PM
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Posted on behalf of Teresa Sheward - council member responsible for the regional groups
At present there are two types of Regional Groups, Affiliated and Associated.
Associated Groups are separate legal entities and are responsible for their own finances and management. They continue to be promoted by the Arab Horse Society (AHS), they still run affiliated shows etc, but they are in control of their own affairs.
Affiliated Groups are (in theory) part of the AHS and as such should be run and managed in conjunction with the Arab Horse Society. In practice, the AHS has no involvement in these groups (nor do the Groups want the AHS to interfere!)
The reason the AHS is ceasing to have Affiliated Groups is to protect the Society from vulnerability to companies/individuals suing the main body instead of the Groups (and of course vice versa). The only way to protect both the AHS and the Groups from this is for the Groups to separate off.
As from 1st January 2010, all Regional Groups will be Associated Groups. They will continue to receive moral and practical support from the AHS in their separate capacity. Their shows can affiliate to the AHS like any other show.
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Tracey@ET
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Tomos
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Wales
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 7:05:29 PM
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I waa a founder member of RAGW ( Ridden Arab Group Wales), though no longer involved now.
Having looked at the options at the time we made an active choice to affiliate to British Riding Clubs, as we felt this offered our members much more, in my experience they were very efficient and helpful. It also helped to include the Arabian in the wider ridden horse world.
It might however be difficult for groups that are more in hand orientated to meet the requirements as you need to demonstrate regular ridden training, if you can meet this they are well worth considering.
Mandy
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Merlot
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England
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 11:21:22 AM
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Very interesting.
So can anyone shed any light on what will happen to the funds of the currently affiliated groups once they are relegated to associate status ? |
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Ziadomira
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 8:03:26 PM
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Hi
Wessex Group of the rab Horse Society became the Wessex Arabian Horse Group a few years ago when this option was available. It has made no difference to our relationship with the AHS.
Wessex is a company limited by guarantee. This in effect means that if we went broke every member would lose the membership fee for that year. I think this puts it very very simply.
Finn Guinness called a meeting at the Malvern. As far as I understood there was a problem with groups being part of the AHS as if a group did something wrong and could be sued then that could in an extreme situation end up with the AHS being sued for something a group did and over which they had no control.
I know South East have offered to help anyone wishing to change over and I know that our previous treasurer who set ours up said he would help if anyone wanted assistance.
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alistair leslie
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 05 Nov 2009 : 09:13:12 AM
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What are the chances of such an occurence/
Weigh thta up against the interests of the members locally .
What if the membership fee was part paid to the regional group ?
Those funds could be spent locally
Shows
Cross country
Endurance and general local promotion where breeders would get an immediate payback within the region.
This would reduce the overheads of the HQ |
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