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Gareth
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 7:41:24 PM
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Hi, does anyone know any bloodlines that have these horses in their breeding and which studs own them? I don't know much about modern Arabs so really need some help!
Royal Gold (Argos ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Gromin (Grojec ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Dancing Magic (Dancing King ex Munah x Shifari)
Contessa Royale (Count Destiny ex Gromin x Grojec)
Royal Georgina (EL SHAHLAAN ex ROYAL CHARM x ROYAL BAY)
Autumn Gem (Ludo ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Count Radny (Count Destiny ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Gold Silla (Count Destiny ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Royal Bay (Grojec ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Royal Gem (Ludo ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Rissomino (Blue Domino ex Bint el Tarriff x Xayal)
Tarragos (Agos ex Bint el Tarriff x xayal)
Count Destiny (Radfan ex Royal Destiny x Ringing Gold)
I would be so grateful if anyone can give me information about any of the above bloodlines.....thanks in advance!
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haggis
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 11:01:19 PM
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| One of my friends has a mare which is double Argos, a grand daughter of Tarragos and Xema. She is called KAHMSIN BINT TALURAND |
    
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Gareth
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 11:21:02 PM
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| Hi Haggis! Have you got any pictures? My grandparents bred Tarragos! |
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kathleen
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Kazzy
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Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 10:24:19 AM
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I know Royal georgina was owned by Diane Jeffries I think she may have died because of her age when I knew her.
But Elysium Arabians bought a lot of her stock which had Royal georgina in them.,
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haggis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 3:29:31 PM
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Here are a few I took last summer. I think the foal was about a month old
Hope you like!! |
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Gareth
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Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 5:45:38 PM
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Thanks guys- your all stars!
Kathleen I don't think there is any more of the horses in your pedigree but thats for replying! I am told Blue Domino was a lovely sire, my grandparents sent on of their mares to him year after year so much so that his owner called her Mrs Domino!
Rafa do you know how I can contact them?
Haggis I love your photos- can't wait to show my grandparents! Thank you all so much again!
Its my grandfathers 88th birthday this year and he lives for his Arabs. The stud was dispersed all over the world 25 years ago and I wanted to surprise him with some nice news!
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Gareth
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Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 6:39:16 PM
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| Do you guys know any more people that have the bloodlines? |
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kathleen
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radfan
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Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 11:44:32 AM
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Hi Gareth
I had Lyana Bint Radfan (Luleilya / Radfan) born 1993, she was Radfans last foal before he died. Made local papers and everything, I have the extracts. I have posted her link below, you can see she also has in her bloodlines Ludo (grandfather), Blue Domino 3 times and Dancing King. She had one foal Kasardi Kareem (Lyana / Kareem who was out of Zircon Nazeer)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lyana+bint+radfan
I hope this helps.
Clare
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radfan
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MinHe
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Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 3:30:35 PM
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I have lines descended from Munah's full sister SAIDI. By a strange coincidence, Munah was for a time owner by some people who later became my neighbours - they could not get her in foal and put her in Cambridge sales, but the story had a happy ending - she was bought by a lady who loved her dearly and she lived to be 30+.
This female line excels at producing top-quality stallions - it is a small family, but 50% of the colts produced have gone on to be high-class sires, including Dancing Magic.
Did your grandparents own Piper's Green Stud? I always wanted to meet Dancing Magic but never had the chance!
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Lindsay
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Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 4:47:24 PM
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| The lady who lives opposite me had a gelding by Dancing magic called Dargee's Image (ex Candidda) he was bred by Pipers green stud. sadly he's no longer with us but I have seen pictures of him - lovely boy. |
   
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Gareth
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Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 11:34:15 PM
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Hi Minhe,
Lovely news! No my grandparents owned Phylbern Stud. Oh and they bred Dancing Magic! a beautiful grey horse. He did very well for them- When my grandparents sold him my grandmother would not stop crying and grandpa threatened to go back and pick him up again!I
Munah was always a good breeder for them- thats strange, any way glad she had a good life. Was the woman called Karen?
Lindsay he sounds great do you have any photos?
I know my grandparents bloodlines where very sort after they use to have people come from all over the world to buy stock! There closest friend was Lady Anne Lytton granddaughter of Lady blunt.
Its so exciting- thank you all! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Jun 2009 : 12:57:49 AM
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I've left you a picture of Argos, the sire of Royal Gold. Also, Blue Domino, who is amonst some of the breeding of these horses.
A long time ago, many of the breeders in those days were, introducing different lines to the already popular Crabbet lines.
 and also leaving you Blue Domino.
I think you'll find that many of your listed horses,will have taken different lines over the last forty year and since the 1960ies. I am aware of at least two or three horses that are doing well today, that have come from one of the old lines.
The mare Munah, who has eight foals recorded, has played an important part in the horses I know today, she produced ARCODA, he has some 18 offsprings recorded to him. I think that ARCODA went to Miss Ann Bowditch at Dorocinia Stud, she seems to have horses from these early lines. Just remember fourty years have passed and there is a lot of water gone under the bridge since them. Miss Bowditch still has several horses about today and doing well, with one or the other Arab in its pedigree.
Look at Flittermouze - she has Munah in there from Arcoda. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/flittermouze. A premium mare and she won the Arab Marathon in 1999.
Bright Vesper has Royal Gold & Munah from Arcoda, in her pedigree. I've got pictures of this mare from last weekend at Cirencester Park, she's completed 100 miles in one day and represented GBR. Both Flittermouze and Vesper were bred by Ann Bowditch,who we often see out crewing her present day home bred horses around the rides.
1967 -Royal Gold (Argos ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
1966 -Gromin (Grojec ex Minsilla x Mikeno)
Dancing Magic (Dancing King ex Munah x Shifari)
I've just looked at the first two listed, these were with the stud in 1969 and listed in the arab directory. Gromin (Grojec/Minsilla) seems to have eight offsprings listed, but several have no progeny on the all breeds, this needs checking out to see if these are just gaps...
Ahmoun comes in at one point and he has a full page of offsprings, including Archimedes, who I new well untill his death a couple of years ago.
I also see that Fari II, is in some of the lines, he was one of Miss Bowditches stallions.so I think there will be other links to the Dorocinea stud and all its Arabians.
In 1969 the Phylbern Stud had.
Bint El Tariff (four offsprings, El Awal,El Tani.Rissomino,Tarragos.)
Minsilla
Munah (Arcoda)
Royal Gold
Royal Bay
Saludo(by Ludo)
Gromin (By Grojec)
Miss Bowditches resident stallion at that time was Magic Fire.(Crystal Fire). The Fire bit still survives today.
all for now..
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Kharidian
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Posted - 28 Jun 2009 : 2:56:48 PM
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MinHe,
Was it Jackie Howe who owned Munah from about her mid-teens to about 33/34 years whe she was pts? Munah had broken her jaw before Jackie had her. I remember that they couldn't get her in foal, and I also went to her 30th birthday party!
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Kharidian (Prince Sadik x Khiri)........ Alkara Cassino (H Tobago x Rose Aboud)
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Jun 2009 : 3:36:26 PM
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Hi Folks, Its good to know she ended up with a good home. I wonder if anyone has a photo of her, be nice to put one up in her memory. She did after all have these 8 foals and I am awrae that she played a big part in the two or three horses I know today, that are doing well for the Arabian horse. Flittermouze is at stud now and carrying on these lines. Arcoda, I am almost sure went as stud stallion to Miss Bowditch and she would have used him on all her mares.. I'll ask her next time I see her, she's very interested in the breeding lines...So anyone know anyone who had a pic of Mumah that they can share with us...
Cheers Sue
Leaving you the foals listed to Mumah on allbreeds, there may be more..
ARCODA H ARGOS4 MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
DANCING MAGIC gr H 1965 DANCING KING MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
HELIOS50 H 1970 MARINO MARINI MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
TEMPLE AMETHYST F 1975 HAZAN MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
TEMPLE ELLA F 1972 RUKWA MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
TEMPLE ISIS F 1976 EL CID II2 MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
TEMPLE KASSIME C 1977 HAZAN MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
TEMPLE TOPSPOT C 1974 RUKWA MUNAH ARABIAN Edit
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Gareth
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Posted - 29 Jun 2009 : 12:52:28 AM
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the amazing help! My grandparents owned the Phylbern Stud in Cambridgeshire. Actually I own the prefix with my grandparents now and breed welsh section Bs. Both my grandparents are nearly 90 and as I might of mentioned it is my grandpa's Birthday in July. I am looking to trace their old bloodlines in modern day Arabs that have been successful as a surprise- they lost touch with the whereabouts of the bloodlines when the stud was dispersed. They owned MUNAH for quite a long time and yes its right she broke her jaw as a youngster but she was always very good breeder for them as my grandmother reassured me. Anyway not to worry I will see if I can pull out an old photo from my grandparents achieve at their home! (give me a week or so) She was a beautiful mare I remember.....
I am so grateful for all the tips on the Arabs containing their bloodlines-
Ok guys so any suggestions on where I can find photos of modern Arabs with these bloodlines????? and maybe where they are now and which studs they are with?????
Thank you in advance- I am so grateful and can't wait to see my grandparents faces with such lovely news!
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Rozy Rider
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Gareth
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Posted - 29 Jun 2009 : 11:42:58 PM
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Thanks Sue! lovely to see the photo.
It just goes to show you how versatile the breed is! I have to say that looking at the old crabbet bloodlines I am rather taken by the Arabs- my Welsh Bs better watch out! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Jun 2009 : 12:29:11 AM
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Gareth, You need to look at the information that Bia has left for ROYAL GOLD, on the Tracing Hores..where are they now....there ar loads of horses from all over the place,France,Germany,Australia, etc.etc. from Royal Bays line and he was just the one of the horses you were intereted in... can you look there...
I also found a few more that originated here in the GB, all had come from Arcoda a son of Muhah.they were Flouiferouz(lives in Derbyshire)
Bright Chance (with Miss Bowditch) and Phyzelda( she might also be in the Marathon picture(on the left)she did well might have won in 1998?? with James Owen up.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Jun 2009 : 12:32:10 AM
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Gareth, You need to look at the information that Bia has left for ROYAL GOLD, on the Tracing Hores..Owners Needing Information. There are loads of horses from all over the place, France,Germany,Australia, etc.etc. from Royal Gold line and he was just the one of the horses you were intereted in... can you look there...
I also found a few more that originated here in the GB, all had come from Arcoda a son of Muhah.they were Flouiferouz(lives in Derbyshire)
Bright Chance (with Miss Bowditch) and Phyzelda, she did well might have won in 1998?? with James Owen up.
From the list Bio has left there are only a few horses I know or remember, on of them is Escapade 1987 (Nrav Ibn Aswan/Ksenia) he was the sire of Voyajer, and Voyajer was resident at stud in Oxford for a while and appears on some of the horses pedigree's that I know today.
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Barabia
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Posted - 01 Jul 2009 : 11:03:04 PM
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Gromins' progeny and descendants (if that's the right word?)
Arabian Horse Progeny for GROMIN
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Sire or (Dam)
Progeny
----3'd generation
-------4th generation
-----------5th generation
RAJAL AHSB*4922 1970 Stallion Chestnut MAJAL
GOLD FLAME AHSB*5706 1972 Stallion Chestnut MAJAL
----CORNISH KNIGHT AHSB*13884 1979 Stallion Chestnut (TAPHATH)
----BARAH SHOUKRIYA AHSB*13191 1981 Mare Chestnut (JARITAH SBEYEL)
----ANISSA BAHD AHSB*14726 1982 Mare Chestnut (TAMEKA)
----FIRE FLAME AHSB*14728 1982 Stallion Chestnut (TAPHATH)
----BARAH REGINA AHSB*15085 1983 Mare Chestnut (JACINDA SBEYEL)
-------THE LADY BANIKA AHSB*17566 1989 Mare Chestnut BAJAZETH
-------LORD OF MENHERION AHSB*21460 1990 Stallion Bay KALEVAN IBN RIMINI
-------THE LADY NAMILLA AHSB*22421 1991 Mare Chestnut MUSKEGON
-------LORD OF MAJIEK AHSB*26135 1994 Gelding Grey LEOPOLD
----NATEEH AHSB*15554 1983 Stallion Chestnut (TAMEKA)
----SOPHIRE AHSB*20247 1984 Mare Chestnut (SILVER WINGS QUALITY)
-------KADIR AHSB*24133 1992 Stallion Bay BAJAZETH
----SILVER WINGS PHOENIX AHSB*17101 1985 Stallion Chestnut (SILVER WINGS QUALITY)
----TARREN AHSB*21565 1990 Stallion Chestnut (CYDONIA)
CONTESSA ROYALE AHSB*6783 1974 Mare Grey COUNT DESTINY
----COUNT BERNARDO AHSB*11889 1980 Stallion Grey ROYAL DRIFT
----CONTESSA FRIEDEL AHSB*12979 1981 Mare Grey AHKAAN
-------MELEK AHSB*16500 1985 Mare Bay BLUE SHAH
-----------MELANDRA AHSB*19071 1989 Mare Bay ANDRIS
-------OPAL SHARD AHSB*17815 1986 Mare Chestnut ZEHRAK
-------COUNT SHIMAL AHSB*17816 1987 Stallion Chestnut SHAMIL
-------SANTALENA AHSB*17817 1988 Mare Chestnut SANTANNA
-------COUNT FUROUK AHSB*17818 1989 Stallion Grey SANTANNA
-------COUNT ZAREF AHSB*21538 1990 Stallion Chestnut ZAREF
-------COUNT MELCHARNI AHSB*23450 1992 Stallion Grey HIGH ELMS MELCHARNI
----DIJON ROYAL DOLLAR AHSB*17819 1986 Stallion Grey DOLA
----SANROYALE AHSB*17820 1988 Stallion Chestnut SANTANNA
----PRINZ ROYALE AHSB*21539 1990 Stallion Grey MUKHEYMER
----IBN AHKAAN AHSB*27215 1995 Stallion Chestnut AHKAAN
----PORSCHE ROYALE AHSB*29176 1997 Mare Grey AHKAAN
COUNT GROMINCO AHSB*7480 1975 Stallion Grey COUNT DESTINY
----FARMWAYS COUNT SIMON AHSB*13052 1981 Stallion Grey (EASTERN DANCING FLAME)
-------COUNTESS SYMONE AHSB*21944 1990 Mare Grey (MUZEERO'S FANTASY)
-----------ASHLYNGS COUNT MIKHAN AHSB*26216 1994 Stallion Chestnut IBN MIKHAN
-----------ASHLYNGS SYMOKHAN AHSB*28196 1996 Mare Grey IBN MIKHAN
-----------ASHLYNGS YAZAKHAN AHSB*29181 1997 Stallion Grey IBN MIKHAN
AMBER FLAME AHSB*8228 1976 Stallion Chestnut COUNT DESTINY
CONTESSA JANEENE AHSB*10030 1978 Mare Chestnut COUNT DESTINY
ROYAL QUEST AHSB*13914 1981 Mare Chestnut ORMOLU
----ROYAL ASH AHSB*19888 1988 Stallion Chestnut AL-ASHARI
----MONTY CARLO AHSB*19889 1989 Stallion Bay AL-ASHARI
----QUELIPH AHSB*22109 1990 Stallion Chestnut SHARRIF
----DEARNEBANKS SAMEERA AHSB*26797 1994 Mare Bay EL RASHID
----FOSTERHOUSES ROYAL ALCAMIST AHSB*28803 1996 Stallion Grey CAS SABUR
REXARDO'S ASHMIN AHSB*18345 1986 Mare Chestnut AL-ASHARI
AGDAL AHSB*18346 1987 Stallion Bay AL-ASHARI
MAKALA AHSB*18347 1988 Mare Chestnut MAKKAH
----KASALA AHSB*30445 1994 Mare Grey KULAK
MAKHEIM AHSB*18348 1989 Stallion Chestnut MAKKAH
MAKHAN AHSB*21685 1990 Stallion Chestnut MAKKAH
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MinHe
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MinHe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2009 : 01:02:35 AM
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| Originally posted by Kharidian
MinHe,
Was it Jackie Howe who owned Munah from about her mid-teens to about 33/34 years whe she was pts? Munah had broken her jaw before Jackie had her. I remember that they couldn't get her in foal, and I also went to her 30th birthday party!
Caryn
Kharidian, that's right, Jackie Howe! I just couldn't think of her surname 
Munah broke her jaw in a freak accident when she was about a year old. According to Eileen Tatam, she was OK in the morning, but when they went to check her in the evening she was in a dreadful state. The only way they worked out she could have done it was if she'd got her head through the spokes of the wheels on the water bowser in the field, panicked, and broken her jaw trying to pull free.
Sue, I'm not surprised Munah is found in exceptional performance pedigrees. This dam line is descended from the famous endurance mare Belka, and Eileen Tatam considered the Arab horse should be an exceptional athlete first and foremost. Munah's full sister Saidi was the dam of Dr June Alexander's foundation mare Scindy who in turn has produced top performers both directly and indirectly through her grandsons Mudir and Marzook (grandsire of Kirsty Brown's Marzookah). Trouble is, this has been the line's downfall, as the mares are such good performers they haven't had chance to replace themselves, sigh.
Munah's other sister, Yasmina, stayed with Eileen Tatam, and as well as Belgian Nat Champ Ghibli produced her riding mare "Heidi" (it's late and I can't remember her proper name!) - who not only went to Towerlands in-hand, but carried Eileen side-saddle for many years!
I would LOVE to have a grey mare from these lines - alas, all gone!
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