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AstraZephyros
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 Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 9:30:58 PM
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Hello, my 7yo arab has just tyed up for the second time, his muscle enzyme levels are over 11,000!!! considering theyre supposed to be around 400  Who has else has had experience of it and how do you deal with prevention of it?? Hes fed on a lo-cal balancer and high oil supplement which both vet and nutritionist have approved as perfect diet for prevention, he is also given electrolytes as he works hard and does endurance/jumping, pleeeease has anyone got any other suggestions?? 
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Gerri
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England
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 9:37:23 PM
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| My mare has had it twice now, and I was told to walk her for three weeks starting off for 20 mintues (ridden ) and gradually build it up but this if for nearly evryday of the week, I was told to give her special food too, she was on alpha beet and a special mix so its just a case of starting very gently and working up to hard work very gradually, saying that I know of someone that my vet told me about whos horse tied up just going in the field (turnout) sorry I cannot be of much more help just pass on to you what my vet told me. |
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Pauline
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Debbie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 9:55:46 PM
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My mare tied up severely as a yearling after getting stressed. Her blood had to be diluted several times to get a reading and her urine was like dark blood. She tied up again as a 2 year old and blood tests revealed she has a starch intolerance and she is fed Dodson and Horrell ERS with speedi beet and selenium with Hay (no haylage). Touch wood she has been OK for the past 3 years |
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Kharidian
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England
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 11:03:41 PM
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Mine has only ever tied-up once, about 10 years ago, and that was due to stress; we were out in the trap and a nasty motorcyclist thought it was hilarious to get literally right behind the trap and continuously rev like mad - Kharidian (quite naturally) wanted to get away and started cantering down the road but I held him back.
We were only 1/2 mile from home and he was shaking when we got there and by the time I'd unharnessed and hosed him down (yes I know, big mistake but I wasn't expecting azoturia) his back legs were a bit stiff but he never completely tied up. His bloods weren't too abnormal, I can't remember the levels but CK and AST levels were raised.
I fed Vitamin E supplements for a while but he has never had a repeat attack and I have never managed him differently.
What was the trigger for your horse's episodes? Can you pinpoint anything different in his workload etc? Does it happen after time off or different feeds?
I hope you get to the bottom of it.
Caryn |
Kharidian (Prince Sadik x Khiri)........ Alkara Cassino (H Tobago x Rose Aboud)
aka "Roger".................................... aka "Chips"
     
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kimzi
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 11:14:33 PM
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| go back to home mixing, make sure that canter or extended periods of trotting are only done after a minimum of 20 minutes warm up, And allow period of turnout directly before excercise. Extremeley common in racehorses when they are given the odd day off. Just remember every horse is different and the usual suspect is the feed/exercise ratio. High oil is high energy, oil has more energy than oats. |
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AstraZephyros
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England
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 12:50:55 AM
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He's always in quite hard work, going for long rides (4 hour hacks often), jumped and schooled regularly etc and he had 3/4 days which i took easy with him due to one thing and another. This meant we were just riding through local woods and back which takes about half hour or playing parelli in the school or something so he never actually had a 'day off' per se but possibly the lesser degree of work was enough... Research has actually shown its benificial to feed a high oil diet to horses prone to tying up and my nutritionist agrees so i dont think its his feed. I know hes always going to be prone to it from now on, guess im just trying to find some kind of preventative measure, im looking at some of the supplements people have suggested incase hes deficient in something, which more tests the vets are doing should hopefully show up anyway!
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sarahlock
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England
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 08:27:04 AM
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Re- our conversation of facebook , your vet could well be right about it being hereditory , Astra`s dam was never broken so maybe it never showed up but like i said her full sister Fantasy had two attacks of it as a 5 yr old (feed related ) her daughter did it once as a 3 yr old at a show after we had to run down to the ring after she`d been standing on the lorry .
And 2 of Fantasys sibblings who are full brother & sister both suffered with it around the age of 5 - 6 & are both kept out because of it !
Theo told us about his mare in a post about it a while back ! |
     
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Songbird
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England
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 10:17:18 AM
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| I had a mare for nine years and in that time she tied up twice . First time as a four yr old on a hot day schooling hard in the hot sun , could have been stress. Second time absolutely no imaginable cause . It was summer and she was out 24/7 and in full work . I never feed hard feed , only a balancer and ad lib forage . My vet said she was a case that he would never solve . She recoverd always completely and she has been in her current home for five years and has never tied up there . A mystery. |
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Kelly
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 10:53:30 AM
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I've only ever had one experience of it, in a little welsh mare I had. I didn't know she'd already had it, and took her out for a 'normal' hack after two weeks off as I'd been on holiday. We didn't overdo it, but it was enough.
I was always told, 'walk the first mile, trot the second mile, and do what the hell you like after that'.
Worked for us, and I still do it to this day with any horse.
I'm sure there are many other things you can do to help too, as nice people on here have suggested  |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 6:23:06 PM
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My palomino PBA has had it three times now so there may well be something in the breeding thing if Sarah Lock and Theo and yourself have all had it.
Have a look at Dr. Stephanie Valbergs website at the Kentucky Research Centre. She is the world authority on this subject, RER, as well as PSSM in quarter horses.The website tells you everything you need to know. They have invented a special feed which you can only get through Saracen Feeds. The nutritionalist Natalia at Saracen was excellent and sent me a bag of Stamm 30.
This condition is usually in fit, highly strung horses - usually fillies and is not always due to too much feed in ratio to exercise.
My mare wasnt having much feed at all with the last attack but we did get caught in a hailstorm at the end of ride which seems to be a common denominator in her attacks. The muscles cooling down too quickly. Can also be hormonal when coming into season.
I have turned my mare out 24 x 7 now and realised that she "paces" around a lot so I think stabling her is something to do with it as obviously her muscles are used to walking around alot.
I use the above mentioned feed together with Hilton Herbs Equilibrum to balance the hormones, and Selenivite E, I always keep her rugged up to stop her back getting wet (which actually helps to stop her coat bleaching as well - bonus!) and I always make sure I walm her up for 20 minutes at walk before trotting etc. Touch wood have had no problems since January.
I hope this helps you because I know how frustrating and scary it is.
The Kentucky website will tell you everything about what to do when they have an attack and bringing them back into work as well.
All the best and fingers crossed that our gg's wont have any more.
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Edited by - saddlebred on 05 Jun 2009 6:25:13 PM |
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