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saddlebred
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 Posted - 29 May 2009 : 7:07:18 PM
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I have managed to buy the whole set of palomino magazines from the early 1950's and have come across some extra pictures of this fabulous old foundation stallion. There is a an old thread in the archive where Rozyrider did some research around the bloodlines if anyone is interested.
On the headshot Golden Trail is said to be 21 years old.
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Melynda
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Posted - 29 May 2009 : 9:51:00 PM
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I wonder if you have come across any more info with regards of his pedigree as we couldn't complete it fully. I think this is how far we got then.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+trail3
Some horses on this pedigree are a bit to far apart from when they were born and to when the produce occured.
Can you help sort some of them out? |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 01:08:44 AM
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Hi Melynda, I tend to agree with you about some of the age gaps. On the old thread I think we sorted much of this out, and I did email the USA and they came back to only be able to confirm those horses on Golden Trails pedigree nearer the more recent years, there records only go back to 1980. I think in those days they were more interested in his colour.Although, all the TB's should be traceable. I think we ought to be able to do a better job on those.
Will have a sort and see what I can find.
Cheers
Sue
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 03 Jun 2009 11:15:39 PM |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 01:00:29 AM
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Hi all, Leaving you the link to Golden Trail. This is the pedigree we believe to be correct. I contacted the USA and they would only say that there records only go back to 1980. Goodness knows what they did before that date, as Golden Trial was born in 1946, quite some time prior to 1980. He's got loads of progeny listed on the all breeds site, well worth a look and he obviously was a very popular palomino horse of those times.(Just a bit before my own Palonino times, as I was born the year before.)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+trail3
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Just to add, while were back on the Palomino trial, I did find that the records on allbreeds were not correct for
MONCLARE ARABIAN KING , I believe this horse's dam is/was
SUNSHINE - Cremello Mare. 1958. sire Takamirs Biscuit, dam Golden Sappho.
and I'm leaving you the correct link for this cremello mare( it was not the palomino mare No54).
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sunshine77
I also believe she was stationed with Mrs Munday at Monclare Stud.
I've kept all my notes from the last time we looked at these horses.
Anyone got the PBAR Vol. VI, I'd like to know what page she's on and what other Monclare ponies are listed there.
Thanks Sue. |
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Pelle
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 11:50:27 AM
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Sunshine is on page 230,
1958 albino Mr Norris
by Takamir's Biscuit PBAR V
ex Golden Sappho PBAR V
cant find any other ponies with the prefix Monclare in vol VI,
can look in later volumes if you like (plenty of time, in bed with broken leg!!) |
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Pelle
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 12:00:40 PM
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| A little bit of topic, but I looked att the pedigree of the cremello stallion Silver Moonlight at Allbreed and got confused, we had a mare by him a long time ago and in Silver moonlights breeding I found Golden trail on sire or dams side, have forgotten which side, as we sold the mare a long time ago. Is that breeding on allbreed really correct? |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 4:46:18 PM
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| Yes his Pedigree is correct as i have a Silver Moonlight daughter & Josie Thompson from the Legend Stud wrote out her pedigree when i bought her & its the same as all breeds ! |
     
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 8:20:59 PM
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Hi, Thanks for checking....a lot of reserch went into that pedigree, I also think that a photograph was found of a grey mare and it may have been Sylvia VI.
I can find no Golden Trail in there, so if you can show us where that comes in I'd be interested.
I remember Mr Sun Tan well...
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 17 Jul 2009 8:31:25 PM |
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Pelle
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 11:21:32 PM
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| My mother had som notes about the mare we bought by Silver Moonligt in the 70:ies, and his dam, Roundhills Golden Finale is by the TB stallion Fleche Bleu out of a mare by Golden Trail in her notes, and she has made a note as our mare had Golden Trail och both sire and dams side, she was by Silver Moonlight out of a mare by Kingsettle Moidore of Muston (by Golden Trail). |
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sarahlock
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 01:08:43 AM
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Although, I can not be 100% sure, I dfo feel as if Sylvia was in the old Hunter Improvement Society records. There is a photograph of her somewhere under saddle. Wil have to search and find this information for you. I don't remember any link to Golden Trail and any information you have in writing could be very valuable to our search and might help us very much.
Can you remember the name of the mare you mother bought in the 1970 ies.
Also, there is a list of progeny on allbreeds that are all by Silver Moonlight, can you spot anyof these that rings any bells.
Sue
Will see what I can turn up on Sylvia again.
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Melynda
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 5:26:35 PM
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Hi Melynda, We are here again...good to hear from you, thank goodness they've got us keeping them in place.
I turned up all the previous stuff on this Sylvia VI on the archive posting August 2007. here it is....all from your old HIS stud books I think....Do you want another one, I have HIS 1900 - 1901, Sires 21 & 22 and Mares 2245 to 2653.. never used it and want to part with it to a very good home...
Here she is....
Re: Sylvia VI HIS 10592
Grey, star, iron grey on quarters, off fore and both hindlegs white. Foaled 1942. Height 14.3.
Owner, Miss Faith K. Banbury, The Hall Farm, Swithland, Loughborough, Leicester.
Prize: 1955 Premium, HIS.
Produce:
1955 Chestnut, colt by Mayfair III (Vol. XXXII, p. 1053), by Macaron.
Info taken from Hunter Stud Book Vol. XVIII p. 192.
Mayfair III, chestnut, 16.1hh foaled in 1944 by Macaron (by Chateau Bouscaut) out of Ginevra (by Ortello. Bred in France).
I also think there is a record somewhere of her Premium winning as she must have gained it at one of our shows.
As I said before I went with a man who bought Irish Horses and often dropped one off at Shepley Stud the home of Mr Sun Tan and of course any Palomino that came his way. I was with him the day he bought Grassendale Golden Rocket and when he delivered him to Shepley.
Sue ( bound to be more to follow on this one)
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Jul 2009 : 01:11:09 AM
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This is an interesting bit of Melynda's reserch from 2007, regarding MayfairIII. Also note that Mt Sun Tan was born in 1956, so there was also a chestnutcolt of the same breeding foaled in 1955.
Both Mayfair III and Fleche Bleu were owned by J. H. Wheatley, Forge Stud, Twycross, Atherstone, Warwickshire. Mayfair III travelled to Leicestershire, Fleche Bleu to Essex, Leicetershire and Staffordshire.
Mayfair III 1950 - 12 mares - 3 foals
1951 no figures in stud book
1952 - 78 mares - 55 foals
1953 - 64 mares - 42 foals
1954 - 5 mares - 5 foals then sustituted for Noble Manna
1955 - no figures in book
1956 - no figures in book
1957 - 58 mares - 31 foals
1958/59 no more figures in book
Fleche Bleu 1959 - 84 mares - 43 foals (Essex)
1960 - 95 mares - 64 foals (Leics.)
1961 - 108 mares - 63 foals (Leics.)
1962 - 83 mares - 43 foals (Leics.)
1963 - 79 mares - 52 foals (Staffs.)
Have only got the books up to 1963 (any newer books would be gladly bought. Fleche Bleue died March 1970.
As Mayfair has not got any stud records for 1955 I am wondering if the chestnut colt of 1955 could be Mr Sun Tan??? or perhaps he could just have been used privately in 1955.
There are no breed details for Sylvia VI.
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 21 Jul 2009 01:15:51 AM |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 24 Jul 2009 : 3:03:16 PM
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Melynda, Does it say where SYLVIA VI won her Premium in 1955.??
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 5:11:52 PM
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Hi everyone,
As I started 'the Golden trail'thread of 2007 I thought I'd just say thank you for the fabulous photo! I'm also still very interested in Sylvia & of course the elusive Mr Toots Mare saga if anyone knows more.
You may be amused to see some familar names if you look at all breeds data on Red Rum & Yeats!
Best regards,
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Melynda
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 8:06:22 PM
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Does it say where SYLVIA VI won her Premium in 1955.??
Sorry but didn't see this question.
It only says 1955. Premium H.I.S. after her details. |
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Rozy Rider
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 11:16:03 AM
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Thanks Sue for those links. I had printed out the all breed general family tree for Widdicombe Fair and for some reason it didn't show the Ruddygore part of the breeding which I see is included in the dedicated thoroughbred family tree.
Really pleased about this gap being filled! I think now I only need to find the background of Fiona the Palomino & Silvia which are both in Silver Moonlight's breeding.
Must say I am totally impressed with the excellant service you are all providing!!!
Thanks again.
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Edited by - Info Sponge on 11 Aug 2009 12:59:43 PM |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 6:54:47 PM
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Hi I'm not tottally convinced that the Ruddigore part of the TB breeding is quite correct, I think there is a hiccup with the year. You will see that the GB is missing from some member of that line. But, I need to go back and do a check on the years. The horse should be in the TB stud book and the date of birth needs checking, once thats entered correctely it should all fall into place.
ANYONE have the Thoroughbred Stud books...for the turn of the century. 1920 1930 1940's and can help us please...
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Melynda
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 12:31:09 PM
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I am away on holiday at present but will look details up in the GSB's when I get back.
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 1:06:47 PM
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Thanks Sue & Melynda!
I've been looking on the TB Heritage site and comparing names on the allbreed records which has left me totally confused so I think I will leave it again to you the experts.
However, I did glean from those records that there was a TB at about the right time called Yellow Rose as opposed to Yellow Roses if that helps.
 Just amended my earlier post as I spelt Ruddygore with an 'i' instead of a 'y'
Thanks again.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 1:19:17 PM
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Last night I looked at the archived records of this subject and its all there. Just almost fell asleep at the computer will look it up again later.Vaniety Fair and Widdicombe Fair are the references we are interested in, I think. Nimlat had entered the page no (60) and there are other entries that confirm where we got the information from in the first place. There are other family members that might help us to..the Westwoods bred several of there own horses, all along the same lines... I think these horses were TB and not half bred and would like to check that out before going off on a tangent..
Vaniety Fair was well shown around and did quite a bit of winning as a hack. should not be to difficult to find her entered in some of the bigger show cats..
Its under Sundowner 1961. dated 6.10.2007 - Archived now...
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knedo_stables
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Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 10:08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rozy RiderHi all, Leaving you the link to Golden Trail. This is the pedigree we believe to be correct. I contacted the USA and they would only say that there records only go back to 1980. Goodness knows what they did before that date, as Golden Trial was born in 1946, quite some time prior to 1980. He's got loads of progeny listed on the all breeds site, well worth a look and he obviously was a very popular palomino horse of those times.(Just a bit before my own Palonino times, as I was born the year before.) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+trail3--------------------------------------------------------- Just to add, while were back on the Palomino trial, I did find that the records on allbreeds were not correct for MONCLARE ARABIAN KING , I believe this horse's dam is/was SUNSHINE - Cremello Mare. 1958. sire Takamirs Biscuit, dam Golden Sappho. and I'm leaving you the correct link for this cremello mare( it was not the palomino mare No54). http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sunshine77I also believe she was stationed with Mrs Munday at Monclare Stud. I've kept all my notes from the last time we looked at these horses. Anyone got the PBAR Vol. VI, I'd like to know what page she's on and what other Monclare ponies are listed there. Thanks Sue. |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 7:13:11 PM
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| Hi there , thanks for correcting it & yes that`s the Sunshine we put on the All Breeds when we were tracing Palomino bloodlines but people keep changing it , i had to change it back 6 months ago as it had been tampered with ! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 11:27:49 PM
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Hi, It was good to hear from you. I spoke to Mrs Munday to confirm the breeding earlier in the year, so I believe it to be correct, and it looks Ok on allbreeds at the mo.
Although,
The Data S. link still has no Golden Trail or Golden Olga listed..pity.http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10555027
Pity no one turned up a pic of Sunshine.
Thank you whoever you are who updated the Data S..for Sunshine.. and Its Mrs Munday.
Cheers Sue |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 02 Nov 2009 3:27:51 PM |
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