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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 3:33:06 PM
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Hi, All Can anyone help with a New Forest pony mare( hope so with a name like olga). In the breeding for Sunshine.(above)
Ashley Golden Olga. UK and New Forest Pony and going back a wnile..anyone got any cue's who's refix ASHLEY was.
Thanks Sue
and more photo's to come very soon, I understand... |
Sue
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dormouse
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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 : 1:33:17 PM
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Ashley prefix for New Forest's is used by Mr & Mrs W O Dibden or Dibdin depending on where it is printed. They live somewhere around the New Forest area.
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kastell
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 7:18:14 PM
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Hi all great reading especially about Sylvia, as she's in my mares pedigree too! In respect of Golden Trail, what % Arab is he (registered % & un-reg % if any?), just out of interest really.
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Rozy Rider
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kastell
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 1:00:13 PM
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| Hi Rozy Rider, just looked at the info bit & I have a question, how is he 25%+ Arab when the only Arab I can see in his pedigree is Sargon, which would only make him 12.5% Arab? Or is there some bits missing on the pedigree? Just curious! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 11:37:10 AM
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There are bits missing, as you can see, for some reason the USA had difficulty finding and confirming some of those spaces, I think the records only went back so far..and thats what we've got. About the 25%,basically I have no idea, his pedigree came from USA and they confirmed it,we were so pleased to get what we have, so we believe it to be correct. The only thing I can think, without getting someone like Bia to search through the listed breeding is, that any offsprings he had would need to have 12.1/2% minimum Arab blood to get the AHS registry, so lets hope he is 25%.
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 13 Nov 2009 11:40:14 AM |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 10:07:23 AM
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| Just to confirm that Sunshine (Takamirs Biscuit/Golden Sapho was definitely with Mrs. Collings at the Shepley Stud in 1966. She is listed as one of their mares at stud. It lists her as being due to Grassendale Golden Rocket for 1967 with a 1966 pally filly at foot by Widdicombe Fair. |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 10:24:46 AM
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Re: Ashley Golden Olga
I have got this photo of her which was part of a 1961 article but it is not likely that she was New Forest. The article reads:
"Ashley Stud owned by Mr. E A Bayliss situated on the edge of the pretty village of Luckington in Wiltshire, about 3 miles from Badminton" " Mr Baylis told us that the stud had been founded by him in the early 30's for the breeding and showing of hunters and hacks. It was not until 1935, however that he decided to concentrate on palomino breeding only, particularly the larger palominos" "The broodmares now at the stud are Ashley Golden Olga believed to be of German origin who joined the stud in 1940 and is still an active matron aged 29 years. Olga has produced several palominos, probably the most memorable being the palomino gelding Ashley Colden Trigger the showjumper,also the palomino gelding Ashely Golden Pickles, the palomino filly Asheley Golden Trixie, and the palomino gelding Ashley Golden Skyrocket. All these palominos were sired by Golden Trail."
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saddlebred
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Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 10:49:47 AM
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This is Golden Sapho
Apologies for poor quality but it is from a very old fragile magazine. |
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Melynda
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 1:06:59 PM
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I've looked through the Hunter Stud Books from 1930-1973 and the only horse entered with the breeder Mr E. A. Bayliss is Ashley Golden Sandstone
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/db.php?i=10580405&time=1260104534
Unfoutunately there is no mention of her dam.
He is not registerd as a HIS member during any of the years 1930-73 so I presume he must have bred unregistered hunters.
The only mare registered with the name Fiona in the Hunter Stud Books was born 1969 and belonging to someone else. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 06 Dec 2009 : 6:56:47 PM
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Sunshine might have been at Shepley in 1966, but she was back with Mrs Munday at Monclare in 1973, to record Monclare Arabian King. Very pally these lot were just maybe they were swopping them around.
I was there the day the Stallion Grassendale Golden Rocket arrived at Shepley..that takes me back.
Sue
MONCLARE ARABIAN KING pal H 1973 RISSLAN SUNSHINE77 PALOMINO Edit
MONCLARE ARABIAN REIGN C BLUE RAINBOW SUNSHINE77 PART-BRED ARAB Edit
MONCLARES ARABIAN GOLD pal M 1969 AKRAM5 SUNSHINE77 PALOMINO Edit
MORNING COFFEE2 pal M 1970 ORIENT MASQUE SUNSHINE77 PART-BRED ARAB Edit
SHEPLEY SUNDANCER pal M 1966 WIDDICOMBE FAIR SUNSHINE77 PALOMINO
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Posted - 18 Dec 2009 : 10:54:39 PM
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| My friend of years ago had Monclare Morning Coffee and I bought her colt foal by Ruslan. He was born in 1978 and was registered as Golden Orient. Coffee had 3 fillies - all (I think) had the Monclare prefix, but as much as I try I can't remember their registered names or who they were by (it's an age thing - I'm sorry). One was a chesnut who may have been called Monclare Morning Sunshine, and two palomino fillies (Lady and Goldie) who were full sisters - stallion was Esgotsby ?????? Don't know if any of this info is useful to you. Just thought I would add to it. I do have pictures somewhere!! (Also a few Palomino magazines from the late 70's early 80's. |
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Golden Trail - more old pictures
